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[Bilal]

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I think i downloaded it from some forum in those days .
Seem like original version as in ending credits you can see all the details.

There was another one. World fighting alien invasion.

 

[kimjongun]

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I think i downloaded it from some forum in those days .
Seem like original version as in ending credits you can see all the details.

This reminds me of IGI 1

 

[Bilal]

Seem like LERX on this prototype were not as prominent as the current block 3. May be this was changed for production models

This video is from mid 2000s. Made on the basis of very first prototype of JF17. You can also see wing fences and lack of DSI.

 

[RajaBaja]

But how does our LOMADS or SAMS counter S-400?

I believe the only counter is stronger jamming and ground based attack vectors channeled at precise S-400 locations at the start of the battle.

India is getting S-400s and putting them next to border because now they are desperate to show that they can shoot PAF down within own airspace....

As if shooting down of Rafales and other jets wasn't embarrassing enough for them........even more was that they were all shot down well within Indian airspace......because unlike 2019, IAF had assumed they could stay away from border and hence not lose a jet.


Obviously a captured pilot by PAF would have been Sonay par sohaga...........but India lost a billion worth jets within OWN AIRSPACE.

Nothing gets more embarrassing than that and anyone with even an iota of self respect would be red faced and looking for vengeance.

A proper strategy should be devised for future warfare. The rules of pre May 2025 war, don't apply in majority on this situation anymore.

- S-400 counter, is essentially both soft and hard kill. Jamming, spoofing and using our anti-missile systems hopefully the new additions are all active radar seekers for a direct kill (HQ-9 and HQ-19). If we can mass produce a capable SAM (may be FAAZ based), that would help a lot.

- Getting away from 4th gen / 4.5th gen fighters: Long term PAF strategy is to be a 5th and 6th generation force over 75% by 2045. I think that strategy needs to be implemented now. We need to stop JF-17 block III at the current number and start moving towards stealthier platforms, whether through advancing PFX "end state" earlier or buying J-35.

 

[rafale]

As long as S-400 has not been paralysed by PAF's Electronic Warfare first.

That seems to be the case that during both the 2019 and 2025 conflicts, Pakistan overwhelmed Indian military with electronic and jamming warfare.

For some reason, India/IAF did not learn any lessons from 2019.

But that's a big assumption that IAF won't still up their game in ECM and ECCM and jamming......they have Israelis on their side.......as equally vile as Israelis are as Indians......they are both SMARTER and CLEVERER than Bhindians.

That's a lethal human intelligence combo that sure surprises everyone.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

But that's a big assumption that IAF won't still up their game in ECM and ECCM and jamming......they have Israelis on their side.......as equally vile as Israelis are as Indians......they are both SMARTER and CLEVERER than Bhindians.

That's a lethal human intelligence combo that sure surprises everyone.

Their evil partnership does not make them superior to us.

 

[BonPlan]

S-400 is bigger threat to a flying JF-17 than the current generation IAF Rafales. While Rafale may somehow be able to track/detect JF17, they had no teeth or fangs, i.e. AA missiles that could kill JF-17 in the actual kill range.....S-400 on the other hand can easily track JF-17s and fire at it.

Rafale can detect a JF-17 at a greater range than the contrary (because west T/R modules are better, and because JF-17 AESA is air cooled : average solution).
Meteor kinetic and range is better than PL-10, SPL-12 and even PL-15 (if ever PL-15 is integrated on JF-17). So no match.

It is not because Rafale don't use Meteor day one that it is not potent, and I've already explained in long and large why.
Day 3 & 4 PAF simply diseapear of the sky.

 

[RandomThoughts7]

Rafale can detect a JF-17 at a greater range than the contrary (because west T/R modules are better, and because JF-17 AESA is air cooled : average solution).
Meteor kinetic and range is better than PL-10, SPL-12 and even PL-15 (if ever PL-15 is integrated on JF-17). So no match.

It is not because Rafale don't use Meteor day one that it is not potent, and I've already explained in long and large why.
Day 3 & 4 PAF simply diseapear of the sky.

Hi, the PAF personel at RIAT 2025 mentioned the JF-17s were used to launch ordnance on Indian airbases and C4 nodes on those days. The S400 was also hit in the days you mentioned by JF-17s.

Yes the PAF disappeared on those days from air to air combat as the IAF was hiding far away and launching Brahmos missiles. The Indian chief alluded to that in a Bloomberg interview.

 

[TAC]

Rafale can detect a JF-17 at a greater range than the contrary (because west T/R modules are better, and because JF-17 AESA is air cooled : average solution).
Meteor kinetic and range is better than PL-10, SPL-12 and even PL-15 (if ever PL-15 is integrated on JF-17). So no match.

It is not because Rafale don't use Meteor day one that it is not potent, and I've already explained in long and large why.
Day 3 & 4 PAF simply diseapear of the sky.

Well we saw what came out on top in actual combat & comprehensively so, no? So u still not explained why the IAF left its super duper Meteor back at base on day 1? Did they believe they were just out for picnic? AF? Or did they have them but just never got chance to fire one off because they were so overwhelmed?
And where exactly do u keep pulling out this BS about PAF ‘disappearing’? show me one reputable publication like NYT, WP or AFM ( all of which have confirmed AF getting smashed in the air battle) to corroborate this fantasy of yours. Just made up Indian BS to help cope with the humiliation of losing so many top jets all ver NW India including your pride n joy Ra-fail. Bet that hurts every day no?

 

[White Privilege]

Day 3 & 4 PAF simply diseapear of the sky.

Simply not true and you know it. IAF was able to hit groung targets despite getting a beating immediately afterwards by PAF even on the opening night. So hitting ground targets doesn't mean opposite air force didn't challenge you. The simple reason IAF survived later on is by staying well clear and deep inside its own territory and not offering a fight in the air.....

 

[RajaBaja]

Rafale can detect a JF-17 at a greater range than the contrary (because west T/R modules are better, and because JF-17 AESA is air cooled : average solution).
Meteor kinetic and range is better than PL-10, SPL-12 and even PL-15 (if ever PL-15 is integrated on JF-17). So no match.

It is not because Rafale don't use Meteor day one that it is not potent, and I've already explained in long and large why.
Day 3 & 4 PAF simply diseapear of the sky.

Why do your big talk and weapons produce 6-0? Allow me to educate you a little on Rafale's radars!

The JF-17's radar is a little smaller than J-10C's AESA. Both of these jets are using a generation ahead technology than Rafales. J-10C and JF-17 are using Gallium Nitride chips with longer range and speed to process information. This technology is considered "second generation" AESA tech.

J-35 and J-20 use 3rd generation technology based on Silicon Carbide. a whole generation ahead of the J-10C and JF-17, with much faster data processing and ranges! So going back to JF-17, it's generation 2 with a few less TR sensors than Rafale, but with better range and data processing speed. It's equal to, or a little superior than the Rafale's AESA. While the J-10C has a larger range gap with Rafales.

Why is Rafale AESA inferior? Because it was made on generation 1 of AESA technology from 2005-2010's technologies. This technology is based on "Gallium Arsenide". So even though this radar has more TR's, the technology is gen 1 and old with chips capable of lesser ranges and data processing speed than the gen 2 Gallium Nitride technologies used in AESA for J-10C and JF-17.

Pakistan will be producing these Radars with Galium Nitride in house for our future JF-17 and PFX jets under TOT.

JF-17 needs a more powerful engine to make use of it's radars to it's full capacity. That's already an item in works by the PAF.

 

[Ak01]

Why do your big talk and weapons produce 6-0? Allow me to educate you a little on Rafale's radars!

The JF-17's radar is a little smaller than J-10C's AESA. Both of these jets are using a generation ahead technology than Rafales. J-10C and JF-17 are using Gallium Nitride chips with longer range and speed to process information. This technology is considered "second generation" AESA tech.

J-35 and J-20 use 3rd generation technology based on Silicon Carbide. a whole generation ahead of the J-10C and JF-17, with much faster data processing and ranges! So going back to JF-17, it's generation 2 with a few less TR sensors than Rafale, but with better range and data processing speed. It's equal to, or a little superior than the Rafale's AESA. While the J-10C has a larger range gap with Rafales.

Why is Rafale AESA inferior? Because it was made on generation 1 of AESA technology from 2005-2010's technologies. This technology is based on "Gallium Arsenide". So even though this radar has more TR's, the technology is gen 1 and old with chips capable of lesser ranges and data processing speed than the gen 2 Gallium Nitride technologies used in AESA for J-10C and JF-17.

Pakistan will be producing these Radars with Galium Nitride in house for our future JF-17 and PFX jets.

 

[RajaBaja]

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[ghazi52]

 

[kimjongun]

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Why do your big talk and weapons produce 6-0? Allow me to educate you a little on Rafale's radars!

The JF-17's radar is a little smaller than J-10C's AESA. Both of these jets are using a generation ahead technology than Rafales. J-10C and JF-17 are using Gallium Nitride chips with longer range and speed to process information. This technology is considered "second generation" AESA tech.

J-35 and J-20 use 3rd generation technology based on Silicon Carbide. a whole generation ahead of the J-10C and JF-17, with much faster data processing and ranges! So going back to JF-17, it's generation 2 with a few less TR sensors than Rafale, but with better range and data processing speed. It's equal to, or a little superior than the Rafale's AESA. While the J-10C has a larger range gap with Rafales.

Why is Rafale AESA inferior? Because it was made on generation 1 of AESA technology from 2005-2010's technologies. This technology is based on "Gallium Arsenide". So even though this radar has more TR's, the technology is gen 1 and old with chips capable of lesser ranges and data processing speed than the gen 2 Gallium Nitride technologies used in AESA for J-10C and JF-17.

Pakistan will be producing these Radars with Galium Nitride in house for our future JF-17 and PFX jets.

JF-17 needs a more powerful engine to make use of it's radars to it's full capacity. That's already an item in works by the PAF.

I dont know much about the radars and jets in that detail but certainly know that rafale will eat up even a jf17 blck3....a j10ce and jf17 are quite different in capabilites if you compare them side by side and there is no way we are gonna be producing jf17 radars with gallium nitride in near future....