Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Immortals]

 

[Qaraca]

Israel had been practicing this for years. Attacking from Azeribajian. Raisi was also killed while flying over the mountains in that same region.

Iran spent so much time and effort focused on the Western border of Iran that they left North/Northwest border regions weak to intrusion.

The attack on Shahrud during the True Promise events also was rumored to have been cruise missiles coming from Caspian Sea.

The fact that had not completely saturated that region with radars and jammers shows the gross incompetence of this government.

Larijani, Secretary of the Supreme National Security Council:

 

[Persian Gulf]

Larijani, Secretary of the Supreme National Security Council:

the reality is that if this was true Iranian radars should have picked it up and we could have presented the evidence by now

if we don't have evidence we should just ask why none of our radars worked instead

 

[Shafagh]

— / NEW: The Telegraph reports that Iran has various 'ultra-secure' underground nuclear sites that are even more resistant to strikes than the infamous Fordow facility, which the U.S. struck with B-2 stealth bombers back in June

In specific, they point to a mountain complex located near the enrichment facility at Natanz, which is reportedly more than 160 meters deep, almost twice as deep as Fordow, which took a dozen GBU-57 'MOP' bunker busters to destroy — with the results of the strike still heavily debated to this day.

The Telegraph writes that 'Pickaxe mountain' could be a perfect hiding spot for Iran's highly enriched uranium, and that the tunnels are so deep and so hardened that they could even survive a nuclear blast.

Iran also has another ultra deep facility near the uranium conversion facility at Esfahan, which the United States failed to destroy during their strikes on the complex back in June.

@Middle_East_Spectator

 

[kastor ville]

He was widely reported to be a candidate for next supreme leader. His death proceeded the pager attack on Hezbollah. Raisi also had such a pager.



3 helicopters went into that fog, yet only hit the mountain. These helicopters including Raisi’s were piloted by some of Iran’s best helicopter pilots.

If Raisi was killed by Israel, Iran would never admit it. Just like how Tehrani Moghdamm was murdered as well and his brother even said it and was forced by this incompetent government to retract it.

If they admitted Israel killed the President then they would have to go to war and if they didn’t….well you would realize how useless and weak they are.

Do you think in this day and age, if a projectile, or a bomb brought down that chopper, people like me who investigate aircraft accidents wouldn't be able to tell?
This is how conspiracy theories run amok....when people who lack the necessary knowledge about an issue come up with a hypothesis, even if that hypothesis is highly improbable. There are people who still think the 9/11 Pentagon bombing was not done by an Arab terrorist...they dispute the aircraft hitting it, saying it was a coverup by the US govt. Never mind that we have radar evidence and missing aircraft and its debris. Oh, also the fact it happened on 9/11 at the same time as the world trade center attack.....what can you say? When you nutjobs that like this kind of stuff. Now if you ask me about the Lebanon port explosion, I would 100% agree that was Israel....why? Because it's highly plausible, they have spies in Lebanon and they had prior knowledge of all of that seized fertilizer sitting there for years. It could even be that it was an Israeli operation that sent it there, and then refused to pay for the cargo, knowing it would be seized. But the fact that they knew Raisi would be on that chopper and that there would be heavy fog on that day and that hour, and they somehow positioned assets in the area at the right time to take that one chopper down and leave the other 2 untouched, is too much. The last part is my first argument, most airframes will show explosion marks,.fragmentation shards, even chemicals signatures on the metal and entry points....there are many forensics tests we can conduct to see if there are traces of TNT, Semtex, C4, RDX..etc

 

[Persian Gulf]

— / NEW: The Telegraph reports that Iran has various 'ultra-secure' underground nuclear sites that are even more resistant to strikes than the infamous Fordow facility, which the U.S. struck with B-2 stealth bombers back in June

In specific, they point to a mountain complex located near the enrichment facility at Natanz, which is reportedly more than 160 meters deep, almost twice as deep as Fordow, which took a dozen GBU-57 'MOP' bunker busters to destroy — with the results of the strike still heavily debated to this day.

The Telegraph writes that 'Pickaxe mountain' could be a perfect hiding spot for Iran's highly enriched uranium, and that the tunnels are so deep and so hardened that they could even survive a nuclear blast.

Iran also has another ultra deep facility near the uranium conversion facility at Esfahan, which the United States failed to destroy during their strikes on the complex back in June.

@Middle_East_SView attachment 144200pectator

this article is more than a month old and that facility in Natanz has been under construction for many years and is not active yet

sounds like they are trying to create justification for round 2

 

[Immortals]

the reality is that if this was true Iranian radars should have picked it up and we could have presented the evidence by now

if we don't have evidence we should just ask why none of our radars worked instead

Because an F-35 with its RCS you aren’t reliably picking it up till maybe 50KM away assuming no jamming or ECW/EW by the enemy. And Azerbaijan with it’s weak IADS doesn’t have the capability to even know if F-35 came into its airspace.

So you could have F-35 penetrate thru Iraq terrain hugging thru northern iran into Armenia and Azeribajian and release their payloads over the Caspian towards Tehran and its surrounding then leave.


Even Patarames claims that Israel was using its stealth drone bomber over Caspian to launch 200KM ranged cruise missiles.

 

[StrategicBear]

Round 2 must be decisive so Iran must hit back with everything it has. Let them regret even thinking about it.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Because an F-35 with its RCS you aren’t reliably picking it up till maybe 50KM away assuming no jamming or ECW/EW by the enemy. And Azerbaijan with it’s weak IADS doesn’t have the capability to even know if F-35 came into its airspace.

So you could have F-35 penetrate thru Iraq terrain hugging thru northern iran into Armenia and Azeribajian and release their payloads over the Caspian towards Tehran and its surrounding then leave.
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Even Patarames claims that Israel was using its stealth drone bomber over Caspian to launch 200KM ranged cruise missiles.

we're talking about drones not f-35

the claim was that Iranian border guards saw drones enter Iran from Azerbaijan

 

[Immortals]

Do you think in this day and age, if a projectile, or a bomb brought down that chopper, people like me who investigate aircraft accidents wouldn't be able to tell?

Why do you assume the only way that chopper was brought down by bomb or projectile? Do you think if Mossad was going to do such an operation on a world leader they would pick such an obvious tactic? And the ones who did investigation were who? IRGC and its affiliates? Was black box recording ever released?

The facts are 3 helicopters went into the same fog at the same time. And all the other pilots managed to navigate it just fine except the presidents.

Do you also believe that Rafsjani died from a heart attack in his pool?

Do you also believe the port explosion (similar to Beruit) that took place weeks before the war was also human error?

 

[Shafagh]

Round 2 must be decisive so Iran must hit back with everything it has. Let them regret even thinking about it.

Yep. This tit for tat 10 missiles a day crap isn't going to deter anything.

 

[Immortals]

we're talking about drones not f-35

the claim was that Iranian border guards saw drones enter Iran from Azerbaijan

Yes and the Shahrud attack their were similar claims of CMs coming from Caspian/Azeribajian



Simply look where Sharud is on a map:


Israel with the help of U.S. space based surveillance can see radar emissions of every single point inside Iran when Iran has powerful radars turned on blasting radiation in all directions and can then calculate where the holes are and how close fighter jets can get.

The fact is Caspian Sea and Northwestern Iran is too exposed and Iran’s mountainous terrain only helps the enemy

 

[Immortals]

Yep. This tit for tat 10 missiles a day crap isn't going to deter anything.

Moving 200+ TELS around is too obvious to LEO spy satellites especially when the enemy knows where many of them originate out of (mountain airbases).

20 years ago the technology wasn’t there or simply too expensive to utilize, but in 2025 it is. And they been practicing their skills last 3 years in the Ukraine/Russia war. Look how many S-300/S-400 Russia lost so far. Also consider how Ukraine knew where the holes in Russian air defense systems were to target deeper into Russia.

 

[Arash]

If you look at that organization—the size of its population and the share of global GDP it represents—a rational Iranian government would be working around the clock to cultivate relationships and present Iran as a responsible global partner capable of bilateral trade and business. Instead, Iran has virtually no meaningful engagement with the West, aside from embezzled funds being stashed in Western banks.
You would think a high level of intellect from a so-called heart surgeon. He looks to me like a retard. I was watching a clip and he was standing on stage where he was praying like an idiot. don’t misunderstand what I’m saying. Prayer is fantastic. Faith is undeniable strength which leads ones moral compass amongst other things, but to stand in a world stage where you’re being presented and you put your head up to the sky and you’re praying ?this guy is a coke can short of a six pack. his elevator doesn’t go to the top floor.

As I said, a shameful idiot. Our Joe Biden, without pedophilia tendencies.
And he ain't the only one............
The sooner the IRGC takes over with nationalists backup the better.......

 

[Arash]

the reality is that if this was true Iranian radars should have picked it up and we could have presented the evidence by now

if we don't have evidence we should just ask why none of our radars worked instead

I think of that more as a way to defuse tensions, let's see what happens once they attack again