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[Hack-Hook]

That's wierd. Maybe budget constraints? Why wouldn't it be equipped on Toofan 2s.

Because how many toofan 2 you think they produced?
Toofan 2 has equipment for the job

 

[Shafagh]

Because how many toofan 2 you think they produced?
Toofan 2 has equipment for the job

Toofan 2 is not Kowsar.

I expected at least 3 dozen to be in service by now.

 

[Shafagh]

Can F4/F5 carry 358 missile?

 

[Adam Barfy]

no one will sell us anything , especially fighter jets , USNC sanction are back and both Russia and China are part of USNC so they won't shoot bullet on their own knee by weakening the organization ...

Just face the reality ...

in best case we just can hope for completing Kowsar project to at least be comparable with JF17 B2 with secret foreign helps so at least our sky won't be freeway for our enemies drones

Both Russian and China have officially stated they do not recognise the “snap back” sanctions

 

[Hack-Hook]

Toofan 2 is not Kowsar.

I expected at least 3 dozen to be in service by now.

There is evidence for the initially 10 toofan and then additional 2 more Toofan-2
Do you have evidence of more ?

 

[Shafagh]

Both Russian and China have officially stated they do not recognise the “snap back” sanctions

They are just paying lip service.

They might not enforce some of it, but they wont sell Iran anything. They didn't when Iran was free to purchase arms, why would they now?

 

[General Hannibal]

Ok, maybe Iran is so weak. But that means that Israel and US are stupids enough to stop fighting Irán to the last shell. So against iranian weakness we have israelo-us stupidity that surpasses iranian weakness. It is a good ratio.

Israel and America stopped fighting not because how strong iran is.they stopped fighting cos that was the plan.destroy irani air defence completely and partially destroy Iranian nuclear capacity.then go for cease fire.replenish all the weapons.and start again in near future.Israel has shown they can control Iranian air space. Ur country couldn’t shot down a single Israeli fighter jets.that's shows how weak u Iranian are.

 

[General Hannibal]

It is very good. The problem was that many of the missile launchers were destroyed early on. Hopefully the new IRGC top generals know that they should not sleep in normal apartment's during tension.

LoL.that's not a excuse. If Iranian general sleeps in normal apartment instead of a bunker in a war time then it’s shows how dumb and pathetic they're.and what good is the missile if the launcher is destroyed very easily.buddy,Israel hammered iran very hardly.they will do it again.iran doesn’t have enough resources to rebuild all the missile factories Israel destroyed.

 

[Kyussis]

Israel and America stopped fighting not because how strong iran is.they stopped fighting cos that was the plan.destroy irani air defence completely and partially destroy Iranian nuclear capacity.then go for cease fire.replenish all the weapons.and start again in near future.Israel has shown they can control Iranian air space. Ur country couldn’t shot down a single Israeli fighter jets.that's shows how weak u Iranian are.

Iran lost so bad that Chump went from demanding Iran's full surrender, to asking for a cease fire!

 

[Shafagh]

Iran lost so bad that Chump went from demanding Iran's full surrender, to asking for a cease fire!

He is still asking Iran for full surrender.

Israel's plan was exactly that, a two week war then pause to replenish supplies, then attack again. Netanyahu announced this at the outset.

If Iran truly deterred Israel, they wouldn't be gearing up to attack again.

Just ignore this guy. He is a troll, but doesn't mean we should all ignore reality.

 

[ToddE]

destroy irani air defence completely

Provide Evidence. Here is my counter claim, except for Search n Track assets nothing of significance was hit. Hitting Search n Track assets is enough to cripple IADS of any country even super powers. Even if AD kept working what could they do to IAF fighters lobbing ALBMs from above Iraq, hundreds of KM away from Iranian borders.

and partially destroy Iranian nuclear capacity.

Provide Evidence for this statement. Where is the half a ton HEU, how many centrifuge cascades were destroyed etc ?

then go for cease fire.replenish all the weapons.and start again in near future.Israel has shown they can control Iranian air space. Ur country couldn’t shot down a single Israeli fighter jets.that's shows how weak u Iranian are.

Provide Evidence of Israeli jets flying over Iran. We saw hundreds of such videos coming out of Syrian war, Ukraine war, Iraq war. In Iranian case entire 12 days produced 3 instances of 2 jettisoned F-15 tanks (fired upon by Khordad MID-AD) and one Spice PGM being dropped from within Iranian airspace. There was no Gag order on Iranian population to control video outputs like Israel enforced on their population to hide the damage. So where is the evidence of "controlling Iranian skies" ?

 

[ToddE]

Toofan 2 is not Kowsar.

I expected at least 3 dozen to be in service by now.

You are in for a surprise then. Results of failed projects within IRIAF:

2 x Tazarve LIFT (1995, One crashed)
3 x Azarakhsh; rebuilt F-5E with Chinese Avionics (1997-2000s)
6 x Saegheh I/II; Redesigned F-5E, failed aerodynamics (2003-2015)
5 x Kowsar; Domestically built F-5F with local avionics (2018)
2 x Yasin AT; domestic designed, failed aerodynamics (2020, one crahsed)
2 x F-14 AM depot level upgrades to launch LR-BVR Fakour-90.

 

[Shafagh]

You are in for a surprise then. Results of failed projects within IRIAF:

2 x Tazarve LIFT (1995, One crashed)
3 x Azarakhsh; rebuilt F-5E with Chinese Avionics (1997-2000s)
6 x Saegheh I/II; Redesigned F-5E, failed aerodynamics (2003-2015)
5 x Kowsar; Domestically built F-5F with local avionics (2018)
2 x Yasin AT; domestic designed, failed aerodynamics (2020, one crahsed)
2 x F-14 AM depot level upgrades to launch LR-BVR Fakhour.

This is pathetic.

 

[ToddE]

This is pathetic.

Wait till some Khamenei cultist shows up and starts spinning it into how Iran is winning by having no Air arm while everyone else on planet with decent airforce is committing a mistake. These people have no shame.

 

[muhammed45]

Wait till some Khamenei cultist shows up and starts spinning it into how Iran is winning by having no Air arm while everyone else on planet with decent airforce is committing a mistake. These people have no shame.

You repeat the name of Iranian leader left and right like a crow.

I had seen a couple of your posts that looked rational but with the current rate of obsession you may end up like one of those shit posters.

No one is saying Iran doesn't need airforce. Issue has always been sanctions and the will of other countries to share their top tech jets.

Russia for example suggested Iran with Mig-35. Iran refused for obvious reasons.

Iran wanted Mig-29 upgrade and if possible Mig-31 and upgraded generation of SU-30's family such as 30SM and 35. But Russians didn't want to bother their Israeli brethren.

China only had J-10 at that time to offer. It had serious limits plus it requires AWACS to compensate its relatively short radar range. China has improved it with C version but still has its own limits.

Main question is, Iran wants fighter jets for what? Which country on the planet can offer Iran a fighter jet capable of taking on American technology such as F-22?

For obvious reasons Iran wants new capable jets to reduce pressure on its airdefense network. No one on the planet can completely overcome quality of American fighters in aerial combat.

Plus Iran doesn't have deep pockets like China to operationalize hundreds of jets to at least challenge USN's jets in terms of quantity. The infrastructure, the subsystems, the required technology from chipsets to superalloys. It needs hundreds of billions of dollars to challenge top tech of USAF.

This makes airforce lose its priority in Iranian doctrine not because its not important, but because of its financial burden. We can't afford to defeat USAF in the air. It's impossible with current sanctions and current amount of limited budget.

Despite all the hurdles, Iran has managed at it. It keeps its fleet alive and has already begun to work on newer technology to reach an affordable solution.

Currently, nothing can down F-35 and F-22 in an air battle. All the current 5th generation fighter jets in the world including SU-57, J-20, J-35 etc are all wannabe F-22 hence they can never beat F-22 in the air.

The projects that you ignorantly introduce as failed attempts, are tech demonstrators not actual projects for production line.

Iran will mass produce only one platform. It has to be able to keep our sky safe and it has to be capable of taking on American jets. This makes IRIAF's job hard but possible to pursue a platform that is not firstly am economic burden, secondly its affordable, thirdly its comparable to best air superiority jets in the world and finally it has to be up to date. Till reaching this point, every kind of foreign purchase has to be limited and considered as a fill the gap process nothing more nothing less.