Turkish Naval Programs

[MMM-E]

Exaggeration to the max

Reality hurts you

TF-2000 class Destroyer will have 96 cells VLS



Turkiye is now 4th NATO Country with its own national VLS

USA : MK-41
France : SYLVER
The UK : GWS-26
Turkiye : MIDLAS

ISTIF class Frigate with MIDLAS VLS firing HISAR-D RF SAM


And Turkish MIDLAS VLS will have quad pack capability to carry 4 Missiles in one canister as like American MK-41 VLS

IDEX 2025: Roketsan Showcased MIDLAS VLS Featuring Quad-Pack and Antiship Missile capabilities​

Source : https://www.navalnews.com/event-new...-quad-pack-and-antiship-missile-capabilities/


TF-2000 class will enter the inventory in 2030 together with MUGEM Aircraft Carrier

so until 2030 Turkish MIDLAS VLS will have quad pack capability


96 cells VLS .. with quad pack capability
32 cells x 4 HISAR-D block-2 = 128 SAMs
32 cells x 1 SIPER = 32 SAMs
16 cells x 1 ATMACA = 16 anti-ship Missiles
16 cells x 1 GEZGIN = 16 land attack Cruise Missiles

( if needed , more 64 HISAR-D block-2 SAMs instead of 16 GEZGIN land attack Cruise Missiles )

And 1 x GOKSUR-100N PDMS ( 20 missiles )

 

[Foinikas]

Reality hurts you

TF-2000 class Destroyer will have 96 cells VLS

Maybe dillusions of grandeur hurt you.

Turkey is not a superpower to have 8 destroyers filled with 96 missiles and on top of that maintain a massive aircract carrier and a smaller one. This is the pharaonic expenditure I was talking about. And no amount of "but we're only spending this % of our GDP on military" is going to excuse all this. Turkey just doesn't have the size of economy as USA,China,Russia or Germany does. A couple of sanctions,a few instabilities in the lira and the economy will buckle down under all these massive projects.

Of course the TF-2000 can come with all these cells,potentially. Will all of them be filled? You could say "we make the missiles,so they're cheaper". Correct. But the amount is still too big.

10 ISTIF and 8 TF-2000 and 2 aicraft carriers and new submarines and on top of that projects for national nuclear submarine,that's ridiculously ambitious.

 

[MMM-E]

Maybe dillusions of grandeur hurt you.

You will die of jealousy

Turkey is not a superpower to have 8 destroyers filled with 96 missiles and on top of that maintain a massive aircract carrier and a smaller one. This is the pharaonic expenditure I was talking about. And no amount of "but we're only spending this % of our GDP on military" is going to excuse all this. Turkey just doesn't have the size of economy as USA,China,Russia or Germany does. A couple of sanctions,a few instabilities in the lira and the economy will buckle down under all these massive projects.

Nobody says Turkiye is a super power
Turkiye is not produce 6 Gerald R. Ford class Super Carriers like USA for $72 billion

Turkiye just produce 1 Aircraft Carrier and 4+4 TF-2000 class Destroyers for $12 billion between 2025 and 2035


And Turkiye is not buying but Turkiye is producing its own weapons with much lower prices

a few days ago total of 47 Systems including AESA Radars and SIPER - HISAR-O AD Systems were delivered to the Turkish Armed Forces worth of $460 million

If we had purchased these systems from abroad, we would have paid at least 5 times more. ( $2,5 billion instead of $460 million )



About Economy
Turkiye now has $1,4 trillion of GDP

NATO allies agreed to allocate 5% of GDP to defense by 2035

in 2035 , Turkiye will have over $2 trillion of GDP
That means min $100 billion of defense budget by 2035

 

[Foinikas]

in 2035 , Turkiye will have over $2 trillion of GDP

Will? You sound pretty certain It's still 2025.

 

[MMM-E]

Will? You sound pretty certain It's still 2025.

as of 2025 , Turkiye has $1,4 trillion of GDP which is bigger than Greece+Egypt+Israel combined ... so funny

Turkiye defence and security budget surges to record $47 billion

Turkey defence and security budget surges to record $47bn

Ankara plans to increase total spending in 2025 by 17.5 percent amid regional escalation in the Middle East

www.middleeasteye.net

and Turkish MUGEM Aircraft Carrier under construction to be launched in 2028 and to enter the inventory in 2030

8 ISTIF class Frigates until 2028
10 HISAR class OPVs until 2030
10 new FACs until 2030
4 MEKO-200TN Frigates modernization until 2027
6 REIS ( Type-214TN ) class AIP Submarines until 2028
The first TF-2000 class Destroyer will enter the inventory at the same time with MUGEM Aircraft Carrier as of 2030


better go and laugh on your Greek Navy which can not modernize even MEKO-200HN Frigates

 

[Aziqbal]

and tonnage is not important but superior fire power is important


1 Turkish TF-2000 class Destroyer will have more powerful fire power than 3 British Type-45 class Destroyers combined
as of 2025 , 3 x Type-45 class Destroyers armed with total of 144 ASTER-15/30 SAMs and 24 HARPOON anti-ship Missiles



1 TF-2000 Destroyer will be armed with total of 180 SAMs

96 cells VLS .. with quad pack capability
32 cells x 4 HISAR-D block-2 = 128 SAMs
32 cells x 1 SIPER = 32 SAMs
16 cells x 1 ATMACA = 16 anti-ship Missiles
16 cells x 1 GEZGIN = 16 land attack Cruise Missiles

( if needed , more 64 HISAR-D block-2 SAMs instead of 16 GEZGIN land attack Cruise Missiles )

And 1 x GOKSUR-100N PDMS ( 20 missiles )
View attachment 144497


The UK modernize Type-45 class Destroyers
24 x Sea Ceptor silos to be fitted
so , total of 72 SAMs ... ( 48 x ASTER-30 and 24 x Sea Captor )
and 8 x NSM anti-ship Missiles


on the other hand 1 TF-2000 class Destroyer
total of 180 SAMs ... ( 128 x HISAR-D B2 , 32 x SIPER and 20 x GOKSUR-100N )
16 x ATMACA anti-ship Missiles and 16 x GEZGIN LACMs

what a fire power with 750 km CAFRAD AESA Radar
View attachment 144502

View attachment 144501

TF-2000 class Destroyer is coming to become the best in Europe in technology and fire power

Please stop trolling clearly you have never heard of the Type 83 for the Royal Navy

 

[MMM-E]

Please stop trolling clearly you have never heard of the Type 83 for the Royal Navy

You are trolling in Turkish thread

I am talking about TF-2000 class Destroyer for 2028-2030 and you are talking about Type-83 Destroyer for 2035-2038

TF-2000 class Destroyer will be put into service much more earlier than the Type-83 Destroyer ( 5-8 years )


and what about Type-83 Destroyer ? nothing special

Type-83 Destroyer with an outload of between 72 and 128 Missiles for air defense and anti-ship / long range strike

TF-2000 class Destroyer with an outload of 212 Missiles for air defense and anti-ship / long range strike

 

[Foinikas]

You are trolling in Turkish thread

I am talking about TF-2000 class Destroyer for 2028-2030 and you are talking about Type-83 Destroyer for 2035-2038

TF-2000 class Destroyer will be put into service much more earlier than the Type-83 Destroyer ( 5-8 years )


and what about Type-83 Destroyer ? nothing special

Type-83 Destroyer with an outload of between 72 and 128 Missiles for air defense and anti-ship / long range strike

TF-2000 class Destroyer with an outload of 212 Missiles for air defense and anti-ship / long range strike

What if there are delays?

 

[hyperman]

What if there are delays?

man give it a rest already, every time MME posts, you start picking a fight with him and mocking him, you know he likes to post weapon stats, just let him, he isn't bothering anyone.

he doesn't even mention you, but every time he posts you gotto go poke him, then i gotto come and do cleanup from the argumentation getting too intense.

@MMM-E you can post but please no antagonism about Greece or anything. Just post about the Turkish stuff.

 

[MMM-E]

@MMM-E you can post but please no antagonism about Greece or anything. Just post about the Turkish stuff.

antagonism about Greece ?
When I share a post, he comes and denigrates Türkiye , I was even talking to another member about another country.

FOINIKAS is an antagonist character as the main enemy of Turkiye and the protagonist ( Me )

I am the main character of a story. not FOINIKAS
I opened this thread and I just post about the Turkish stuff

He doesn't engage in technical discussion. He just tries to divert the topic by making things up.



His posts

Maybe dillusions of grandeur hurt you.

10 ISTIF and 8 TF-2000 and 2 aicraft carriers and new submarines and on top of that projects for national nuclear submarine,that's ridiculously ambitious.

-- 8 ISTIF Frigates ( 2023-2028 )
-- 4+4 or 4+3 TF-2000 Destroyers ( 2028-2035 )
-- MUGEM Aircraft Carrier ( 2030 )
-- TCG ANADOLU Amphibious Assault Ship .. ( already in service )
-- 6 REIS ( Type-214TN ) class AIP Submarines .. ( 2023-2028 )
-- MILDEN class AIP Submarine project .. ( 2032 )
-- NUKDEN class nuclear Submarine project ... ( long term project )

None of the projects I share are delusion, and even while they were making fun of Turkish projects, I was proven right over time.

 

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a subsurface submersible would be better and much harder to stop

 

[Oublious]

a subsurface submersible would be better and much harder to stop

This was testing the tactial datalink, it has done all that testings.

 

[hyperman]

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[xbat]

How can they finish a carrier within a couple of years? lol !