Chinese SAC - FC-31/J-35 5th Gen Stealth Aircraft

[mythbuster]

For now, China's J-35 and J-20 production rate is disappointing. US has major qualitative and quantitative advantage with its F-35s numbers crossing 1200. All these Chinese members can do here is speculate how good China is and how US military is fast decaying. What a delusional bunch. Indians 2.0.

Our Chinese bros are more sensitive than a teenage girl , they will put you on their ignore list .... massage their egos to get J 35.

 

[mythbuster]

This isn't an accurate way to frame things at all.

The US doesn't have 1200 F-35s. 1200+ F-35s have been built but the US only operate less than 700 F-35s. There are slightly less than 200 F-22s Let's call it 900 5th gen fighters by end of year.

F-22s are mostly based in the US. They do not have the range to fly into a western pacific theatre.

There are far more F-35s around than J-20s because F-35s entered production many years before J-20. However the induction rate of F-35s into the US armed forces is roughly similar (if not slightly below) the rate of J-20 induction into PLA. If trends continue as is, total Chinese 5th gen fighters in service will eventually catch up to and exceed that of the US. This remains to be seen. However, it is quite remarkable that the US was building F-22s when China was still building J-7 for PLAAF. I think it's worth considering that trend and the progress rather than one single snapshot there being more US 5th gens in service than Chinese. At a moment in history there was around 400 US 5th gen fighters in US service when there was 0 Chinese 5th generation. Now it is about 900 US 5th gen fighters and over 400 Chinese 5th gen fighters.

Both J-35 and J-20 are entering mass production. It can be pushed up if they wanted but China is only spending about 2% of GDP and even western estimates claim around 3%. The US uses about twice that proportion of their GDP and their GDP is nominally higher.

J-20 production rate is far from disappointing. Even pessimistic estimates put annual production rate at around 120 unite per year. That's many many times greater than say Rafale production rate and about equal to F-35 production rate.

I don't care to discuss in this post whether one is better than the other because truth be told no one knows. A person can make an educated argument for either side based on knowledge and half truths but end of the day, this is a question even US and Chinese military planners aren't certain of.

As for J-35 production. Well the production line has started for airforce variant and carrier variant. It's is going to reach rates similar to J-20's which is again, an impressive rate. No 5th gen fighter apart from F-35 involving numerous nations have hit triple digit annual rate. There are more J-20s produced in a month than India has produced Tejas Mk1 in its entire history. I don't think anyone can reasonably call J-20 production rate disappointing with a straight face.

Mark my words. The US will not get into a military conflict with China. The decision has been made. It is clear as day now even with the signalling. There will be years more of pro western youtubers and commentators talking the US up and China down as per usual for the last however long but you can bet everything the US will refuse to get into military engagement. Behind the scenes, they have completely shifted strategy from considering kinetic war options to betting big on engaging with China in economic and industrial competition. The warfront has moved to a higher degree of political war and media signalling. It will try to hurt China via the political and economic spheres, hoping that would slow its military development down similar to how banning Nvidia H100 GPUs was able to stifle Chinese AI industry somewhat. The issue with that strategy is the US is suffering a faster economic decline and has bet all in with AI now. If it doesn't succeed properly and this means beyond just announcing it has created super intelligence, then China will cement its rise further. When it comes to AI, so much of the US AI industry is run by and powered by Chinese born and educated engineers. Even the Meta leak showed about half of its top tier AI talent were Chinese born and educated. Even if US cracks AGI before China and that's a 50% chance, the Chinese AI experts running critical parts of the US AI industry could not be counted to be loyal to the US. The reverse is less likely where China cracks AGI first and it gets leaked to the US.

Exactly, there won't be a hot war between China and America, it would be Armageddon ......cold war 2 is in the offing , there won't be a multipolar world as being preached by our Chinese friends . It will be a bipolar world .. it may turn out to be, as prophesied by the western scholars , west versus the rest , the rest will be led by china.... interesting times ahead.

 

[Deino]

Unfortunately a bit small only ...

 

[Hendarto]

Best looking plane, streamlined lean

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China’s carrier-borne J-35 stealth jets can pack in 6 missiles, designers say

Fighter designers explore J-35, J-35A design links alongside close-ups of J-35 model with folding wings, internal weapons bay and tailhook.

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China’s carrier-borne J-35 stealth jets can carry up to 6 missiles, designers say on CCTV​

Fighter designers explore J-35, J-35A design links alongside close-ups of J-35 model with folding wings, internal weapons bay and tailhook​

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Enoch Wong
Published: 10:17pm, 8 Sep 2025Updated: 12:11am, 9 Sep 2025

China’s carrier-borne J-35 advanced stealth fighters can carry up to six missiles, according to a programme on state broadcaster CCTV, as more details are revealed following last week’s massive People’s Liberation Army (PLA) parade in Beijing.
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Both the J-35 and J-35A featured in the aerial formations for Wednesday’s parade commemorating the 80th anniversary of the end of World War II.

Fighter designers discussed the pairing in a CCTV programme aired on Thursday, exploring the design connections and key differences between the models. They said common components were engineered for reuse, supporting rapid integration across air and naval variants.


The programme showed close-ups of a J-35 model with folding wings, an internal weapons bay and a tailhook. The open bay, showing six air-to-air missiles, drew the most attention among military observers online and matched the loadout of America’s most advanced operational stealth fighter, the F-22.


Foldable fins support a compressed launcher concept, allowing six missiles to be housed within the internal bays of stealth aircraft.

 

[iblini]

For now, China's J-35 and J-20 production rate is disappointing. US has major qualitative and quantitative advantage with its F-35s numbers crossing 1200. All these Chinese members can do here is speculate how good China is and how US military is fast decaying. What a delusional bunch. Indians 2.0.

demonstrating bias on a whole nation based on a few members, yet, I can say the same when Pakistani members are dreaming to have the so called pfx homemade new fighter jet or whatever it is called, who is more "delusional", but unlike you folks, me and most of the Chinese members never jumped out and said you guys are delusional.

 

[yusheng]

 

[Michael]

CCTV revealed: The cockpit designs of J-35 (ship-based version) and J-35A (air force version) are different.

The J-35's joystick is in the middle.


The J-35A is a lightweight design with its joystick on the side.

 

[yusheng]

 

[PakAl]

demonstrating bias on a whole nation based on a few members, yet, I can say the same when Pakistani members are dreaming to have the so called pfx homemade new fighter jet or whatever it is called, who is more "delusional", but unlike you folks, me and most of the Chinese members never jumped out and said you guys are delusional.

China has around 1500 modern 4th and 4.5th generation planes with modern cutting edge radar,missiles systems, has around 400 5th generation J20s, J35s are entering mass production and some people are still criticising China. Doesn't make sense. It's better for China to slowly build it's military whilst spending extra on research and working towards 6th generation, this is what they're doing. A perfect plan. Numbers are not everything.

 

[RajaBaja]

For now, China's J-35 and J-20 production rate is disappointing. US has major qualitative and quantitative advantage with its F-35s numbers crossing 1200. All these Chinese members can do here is speculate how good China is and how US military is fast decaying. What a delusional bunch. Indians 2.0.

You need to take a look around more. J-20's production has crossed to between 100-120 annually. For J-35, they are in LRIP and massive new assembly facilities are getting built for robotic, pulse assembly lines. I expect by 2027, J-35 will be built near 80 and then above 100 annually.

By 2030, J-20's will exist around 700+ in numbers and J-35 around 500. That's 1200 stealth jets by 2030. The number will grow more.

 

[Ali_Baba]

China has around 1500 modern 4th and 4.5th generation planes with modern cutting edge radar,missiles systems, has around 400 5th generation J20s, J35s are entering mass production and some people are still criticising China. Doesn't make sense. It's better for China to slowly build it's military whilst spending extra on research and working towards 6th generation, this is what they're doing. A perfect plan. Numbers are not everything.

If you look at all the instability in the world today, it does to me feel like the Americans are taking down all the variables that would interfer with its title fight with China for who is boss.

That war is coming, and I think it will come soon while the Americans have the advantage militarily. The USA wont let China's plan mature before acting. China has to make that calculus to be ready for a war that will be imposed on it.

Is Venezuela about to undergo a regime change operation? So, it Looks like it to me. Venezuela is a variable that will interfer as it is not American aligned as of now.

The whole Middle East will be run by Israel soon.

So, China will have to upgrade her manufacturing rate to get to an ideal fleet size that poses a real deterrence to the USAF soon, even if that means it is not the perfect fleet that it was planning. So, upping the J-35/J-20 fleet as of now would make the most sense while the 6th Gen platforms go through their development and maturity curves.

I could go on ... But this is "off topic for this thread, so lets stop now" .

 

[Ali_Baba]

CCTV revealed: The cockpit designs of J-35 (ship-based version) and J-35A (air force version) are different.

The J-35's joystick is in the middle.
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The J-35A is a lightweight design with its joystick on the side.
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Very interesting that the cockpit has two different locations for the joystick, with the side stick for the airforce variant. I guess, with them being digital, from a design perspective it is easy to accommodate for. Does the centre positioning offer more precision for the reactive human brain to joystick control for the more complicated landing on ships ?? Interesting if they made it for that kind of decision.

 

[ARMalik]

You need to take a look around more. J-20's production has crossed to between 100-120 annually. For J-35, they are in LRIP and massive new assembly facilities are getting built for robotic, pulse assembly lines. I expect by 2027, J-35 will be built near 80 and then above 100 annually.

By 2030, J-20's will exist around 700+ in numbers and J-35 around 500. That's 1200 stealth jets by 2030. The number will grow more.

Yea I have looked around - probably you need to wear glasses cause you act like a Blind person.

 

[RajaBaja]

Yea I have looked around - probably you need to wear glasses cause you act like a Blind person.

Another one! We have a few people like you here who speak from both sides of their mouth. Instead of facts, they will spit high school children like arguments.

 

[ARMalik]

Another one! We have a few people like you here who speak from both sides of their mouth. Instead of facts, they will spit high school children like arguments.

I told you tha you are blind - that is why you see people moving their mouths just by reading their posts on the internet. Or maybe you are having psychological issues. Go see your doctor ASAP.