Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[nang2]

Where did I ever say the world is only the West? That’s a classic strawman.

Because you don't see anything else except those prominent ones, which are the West. Do you even see African countries? Do you see southeastern Asia? Do you see latin Americans? They are nobodies to you.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

so everybody is a legitimate target until proven otherwise!!

and 'otherwise' is a constant in a fast moving world..

every new day brings new covenant for us to follow, otherwise, face destruction!

 

[Pak-Warrior]

where did the Israeli jets come from ? They flew all the way to the Gulf ??

Same route they took which they used to attack Iran.

Flew over Jordan -> Iraq -> Qatar

They refueled over Jordanian / Iraqi airspace.


They flew in backyard / frontyard of Iran.

 

[mangekyo]

Because you don't see anything else except those prominent ones, which are the West. Do you even see African countries? Do you see southeastern Asia? Do you see latin Americans? They are nobodies to you.

Another strawman. I never said Africa, SE Asia, or Latin America are “nobodies.” Stop putting words in my mouth. My point is simple: name one country China (or Russia) has actually built up into a successful state. The US has clear examples like Japan and South Korea. Who does China have?

 

[tower9]

Both Jordan and Saudia Arabia were in on the attack for sure. No way IDF IAF could have gotten there without co-operation from them both ... Syria/Iraq are basked cases for sure but the Syria route is the longest route.

ARAB GONNA ARAB

 

[Watandar]

Same route they took which they used to attack Iran.

Flew over Jordan -> Iraq -> Qatar

They refueled over Jordanian / Iraqi airspace.
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They flew in backyard / frontyard of Iran.

In Iran attacks, they would fly to western Iraq and launch missiles from there and fly back, its because fast jets lack endurance. For them to have flown all the way to Gulf and launched from there, it would require another refuel over southern Iraq or Kuwait and then two refuelings on the way back. To me at least that doesn't add up. I think the Israeli jets took off from a neighboring country like UAE or Saudi or Bahrain. The attack could also have been conducted by the US or Qatar itself. Seems Qatar wants to quit its role in Palestine.

 

[nang2]

Another strawman. I never said Africa, SE Asia, or Latin America are “nobodies.” Stop putting words in my mouth. My point is simple: name one country China (or Russia) has actually built up into a successful state. The US has clear examples like Japan and South Korea. Who does China have?

Because you said "And which country is it that China has actually helped? Seriously, name one.". China has a long history of helping small "nobody" countries for mutual benefits and it is still doing that. You don't see it because those are "nobody" countries to you. Well, I don't blame you. Even China is a nobody country to you, let alone those much smaller and weaker countries. That is why I said that in your eyes, only the West exists because they are the strongest.

 

[Pak-Warrior]

In Iran attacks, they would fly to western Iraq and launch missiles from there and fly back, its because fast jets lack endurance. For them to have flown all the way to Gulf and launched from there, it would require another refuel over southern Iraq or Kuwait and then two refuelings on the way back. To me at least that doesn't add up. I think the Israeli jets took off from a neighboring country like UAE or Saudi or Bahrain.

Yes likely they refuel over southern Iraq. or maybe even over persian gulf

 

[tower9]

Another strawman. I never said Africa, SE Asia, or Latin America are “nobodies.” Stop putting words in my mouth. My point is simple: name one country China (or Russia) has actually built up into a successful state. The US has clear examples like Japan and South Korea. Who does China have?

The Japanese and Koreans built up their own countries. Yes, they had US help, but their cultures are very success oriented. There are countless US allies that have languished in third world conditions including many Latin American countries, the Philippines, African dictatorships, and a lot of that has to do with their internal systems and cultural values.

But I agree, China does suck in terms of building up its allies. Part of it is because the US, because of it's dominance, took most of the successful countries as allies, including Japan, Europe, Australia, etc. It wasn't that the US made them successful, but they were already successful independently.

Who knows what the next 50 years will bring though. There are countries that are following China now and are modernizing rapidly. Ethiopia, Cambodia, for example are modernizing very rapidly and much of that investment is from China. There may also be major shifts in the alliance systems where many former US allies will move towards neutrality or may even start gravitating towards China in the next few decades.

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[mangekyo]

Because you said "And which country is it that China has actually helped? Seriously, name one.". China has a long history of helping small "nobody" countries for mutual benefits and it is still doing that. You don't see it because those are "nobody" countries to you. Well, I don't blame you. Even China is a nobody country to you, let alone those much smaller and weaker countries. That is why I said that in your eyes, only the West exists because they are the strongest.

You’re twisting it again. I never said “nobody countries” or that only the West exists. Another strawman. What I said was clear: name one country China has actually built up into a successful state. Not just “helped a little” or “gave loans.”

If China has this “long history” you claim, it should be easy to name a single successful example. But you can’t because there isn’t one.

 

[lightning f57]

Question why would Qatar be in on the attack? They have been playing negotiator its provided them a platform to push for their style of diplomacy internationally they have also cordial relations with Hamas so makes no sense they sacrifice Hamas and for what given there are ceasefire negotiations.

To me it shows having those shiny western aircraft and airdefence is nothing as all these western equipments are compromised.

 

[Watandar]

Question why would Qatar be in on the attack? They have been playing negotiator its provided them a platform to push for their style of diplomacy internationally they have also cordial relations with Hamas so makes no sense they sacrifice Hamas and for what given there are ceasefire negotiations.

To me it shows having those shiny western aircraft and airdefence is nothing as all these western equipments are compromised.

Well one reason could be to exit their role in the Gaza talks and join remainder GCC in washing their hands off Palestine forever.

 

[Watandar]

ARAB GONNA ARAB

Insulting all Arabs is not going to help anyone.

 

[nang2]

You’re twisting it again. I never said “nobody countries” or that only the West exists. Another strawman. What I said was clear: name one country China has actually built up into a successful state. Not just “helped a little” or “gave loans.”

If China has this “long history” you claim, it should be easy to name a single successful example. But you can’t because there isn’t one.

Of course, why would you say it when you don't even see it? BTW, you just used the word "help". Now you start to twist it into "actually built up into a successful state".

 

[tower9]

You’re twisting it again. I never said “nobody countries” or that only the West exists. Another strawman. What I said was clear: name one country China has actually built up into a successful state. Not just “helped a little” or “gave loans.”

If China has this “long history” you claim, it should be easy to name a single successful example. But you can’t because there isn’t one.

You are comparing Apples to Oranges. We have been living in a Western dominated world for the last few centuries. The US has dominated the global financial, political and economic structure for the last several decades. During this time, China was mainly just focusing on developing itself and escaping poverty within this US dominated system.

Now China is emerging as a major superpower in its own right and is creating it's own systems that are independent of the West. Countries are starting to integrate themselves into this alternative system amidst a collapsing global order. We will see in 50 years what countries thrive. I think there will be a number of major countries that will thrive under a China led system, alternatively, many US allies are heading towards economic collapse including former imperial powers like Japan, the UK, France, etc.