Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ShapurII]

China is the future . We had a discussion a month ago you and I.
Here are the receipts. Everything is fake.

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They have been saying that since late 90s.
China is not the future because it lacks energy resources like the US and Canada, it lacks strategic allies, it lacks cultural influence to a level comparable to Europeans and the West will contain it eventually. The collective West is becoming more and more aggressive. Expect fascism to return.

China has no friends except a fat dude with a bad haircut that looks like a high-school bully. The US has Europe and the majority of Christian countries and Muslim countries. Future my ass.

 

[muhammed45]

2 American and British spy plane were flying around Qatar prior to Israeli attack on Doha.

Zionist rabid dog is biting everyone around. Hope its a wake up call for Arabs.

Moreover Qatari air defense systems were defused by American operators. When will Arabs learn their lessons?

 

[ShapurII]

Zionist rabid dog is biting everyone around. Hope its a wake up call for Arabs.

The Qataris knew it was going to happen. They sold out Hamas.

Moreover Qatari air defense systems were defused by American operators. When will Arabs learn their lessons?

When Iranians finally learn their lessons.

 

[muhammed45]

The Qataris knew it was going to happen. They sold out Hamas.


When Iranians finally learn their lessons.

Why your words are exactly same as what Zionist sources say?

 

[Liquidator]

2 American and British spy plane were flying around Qatar prior to Israeli attack on Doha.

Zionist rabid dog is biting everyone around. Hope its a wake up call for Arabs.

Moreover Qatari air defense systems were defused by American operators. When will Arabs learn their lessons?

We need new custodians of the holy sites....

 

[ShapurII]

Why your words are exactly same as what Zionist sources say?

Because you are delusional and the truth sounds Zionist to you.

If you think Qatar did not know about this attack beforehand, then I have a bridge to sell you.
If you think Arabs will somehow suddenly wake up and turn anti-Israel, well, I can feel nothing but pity for you. You have a very weird view of the world.

 

[muhammed45]

Because you are delusional and the truth sounds Zionist to you.

If you think Qatar did not know about this attack beforehand, then I have a bridge to sell you.
If you think Arabs will somehow suddenly wake up and turn anti-Israel, well, I can feel nothing but pity for you. You have a very weird view of the world.

No truth is not Zionist words.

You are repeating exactly their words.

 

[ShapurII]

No truth is not Zionist words.

You are repeating exactly their words.

Well, go ahead and criticize what I said.

Do you think Qatar did not know about this attack?
Do you think this attack will be a wake up call for Arabs?
Do you think Arabs will declare a war on Israel now?
Do you think Qatar will refuse to help Israel/US in the next war on Iran?

 

[muhammed45]

5 martyrs so far as a result of Zionist attack On negotiating team of Qatar.

 

[BigMela2onin]

In that kind of doomsday scenario, I said it’s simply better to choose the West since their track record of actually building up countries is stronger. Then the other guy twisted it into some nonsense about racism.

But the main issue is this is not even a option the west is entertaining. Iraq and Afghanistan got rid of the west's taste for nation building, now they are only into nation destroying. SK, Japan, Europe were rebuilt in the context of an actively expanding USSR led bloc that threatened US hegemony. There is no need for a indebted US to dump investment into rebuilding Iran, there is no benefit to them.
Even if you don't like China, your other options are to keep begging for surrender and keep getting bombed or keep the status quo. Both are bad options in comparison.

 

[muhammed45]

Do you think Qatar did not know about this attack?

No they didn't know Israel was going to attack their capital. But USA and UK knew it and they helped Israel to dodge Qatari Patriots and THAAD.

Do you think this attack will be a wake up call for

Do you think Arabs will declare a war on Israel now?

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For Arab Muslims, yes. For Arab kinglet no.

Do you think Arabs will declare a war on Israel now?

No they won't, because they can't. Abraham accords has chained Arabs' hands.

Do you think Qatar will refuse to help Israel/US in the next war on Iran?

Qatar never helped Israel and USA in their attack on Iran.

Iran hit US base in Qatar not Qatar itself.

 

[muhammed45]

This attack on Qatar triggers Turkey-Qatar defense treaty.

Let's see if those c@ks in Ankara would dare to say something. They have never stopped trade with Israel not even during genocide on Gaza.

Maybe attack on Qatar and Syria could give them a reason to at least cut ties with Israel.

 

[ShapurII]

But the main issue is this is not even a option the west is entertaining. Iraq and Afghanistan got rid of the west's taste for nation building, now they are only into nation destroying. SK, Japan, Europe were rebuilt in the context of an actively expanding USSR led bloc that threatened US hegemony. There is no need for a indebted US to dump investment into rebuilding Iran, there is no benefit to them.
Even if you don't like China, your other options are to keep begging for surrender and keep getting bombed or keep the status quo. Both are bad options in comparison.

There's a third option. In fact, we always thought this was what the IR was going for.

Build nuclear weapons. Increase your regional influence. Negotiate with the West over your cards. This is exactly what Iran was doing before the JCPOA. Everything went downhill after the JCPOA because we signed a bad deal that gave away all of our advantages.

The West will negotiate with you and reach a deal with you if you have the right cards to play.

This is a textbook situation that has happened again and again before. You acquire nuclear weapons and develop ICBMs, then you negotiate with the West about the kilotons and megatons of your arsenal, instead of 1% or 3% enrichment.

Ahmadinejad chose this policy and it forced the US to ask Iran for negotiations. We were in the same situation in 2003 when Rohani negotiated with the E3. We need another Ahmadinejad.

 

[ShapurII]

No they didn't know Israel was going to attack their capital. But USA and UK knew it and they helped Israel to dodge Qatari Patriots and THAAD.

I have a bridge to sell you, bro.

For Arab Muslims, yes. For Arab kinglet no.

Well, it's the Arab rulers that make the decisions.
And Arab Muslims seem quite content living in their kingdoms with oil money.
Didn't the Arab spring fail in the Persian Gulf states? Because people lived comfortably and decided not to rise against their kings?

No they won't, because they can't. Abraham accords has chained Arabs' hands.

They didn't have to sign the Abraham accords. They didn't lose in a war. They signed it with their own will.

Qatar never helped Israel and USA in their attack on Iran.

Iran hit US base in Qatar not Qatar itself.

Yeah, right. The US invaded Qatar and established the largest air base in the Middle East there. One day, the Qataris woke up and realized that there was a big military base there out of nowhere. Right.

 

[lightning f57]

This attack on Qatar triggers Turkey-Qatar defense treaty.

Its not like a mutual defence pact more cooperation agreement.

I think it pushes Qatar more away from US and more to Turkey which IMO is a better move.