Pakistan Missiles - Updates, News & Discussion

[SABRE]

You are repeating what I said with a slight twist!! I don't get into useless arguments. Facts only. The Rocket force INCLUDES what was "Army's strategic force command". SPD still oversee's nuclear assets. But the rocket force as an over arching organization initiates response. The kind of response is ordered, the rocket force will give, whether conventional or nuclear. For nuclear the SPD gets involved and uses the Rocket Force's previously known Army Strategic Command assets.

Like I said, the rocket force is created to mimic the Chinese rocket force for inter operability, cooperation and coordination for future. If you don't understand these details, you should first get those.

No need to further comment on Brahmos. It requires operational insights of the Indian military that's clear from your post you don't have. For your information, we were told in Musharaff's time that Brahmos would be "omni role" meaning covering both, strategic and a conventional weapon.

If I am wrong, how come you are confrontational ?

 

[RajaBaja]

If I am wrong, how come you are confrontational ?

Not confrontational at all. Fact based discussion shouldn't continue on "opinions". If it's an opinion that's fine we should say it.

 

[SABRE]

Not confrontational at all. Fact based discussion shouldn't continue on "opinions". If it's an opinion that's fine we should say it.

You single handedly judge posts as "useless," talk of "facts" while positing opinions also, and then write comments that even a blind person would perceive confrontational responses. Feels like you are not here for discourse but debate.

Anyway, you don't like "useless" posts, I don't like attitudes and confrontation. So, let's step away from each other.

 

[Ak01]

You single handedly judge posts as "useless," talk of "facts" while positing opinions also, and then write comments that even a blind person would perceive confrontational responses. Feels like you are not here for discourse but debate.

Anyway, you don't like "useless" posts, I don't like attitudes and confrontation. So, let's step away from each other.

you need to remember what kind of dogs bark the loudest.

 

[Pak-Warrior]

We need a few thousand BMs with decent conventional payload that can travel around 3k kilometers....and the capability to launch 100s a day.

I see you where you are going.

For all practical purposes. It will be very costly to launch 100s of long range BMs when most can get intercepted by planet's only credible missile defense system. Unless those are hypersonics (with variable trajectory).

Secondly, I don't think Pakistan feels the need OR has guts to attack Israel. Its not going to happen.

However, If we ever decide to go against Israel then we have a lot easier solution. Just partner up with Iran in their next round with Israel. Iran will do all the BM stuff and we just provide Iranian airspace defense with our airforce. It's also much acceptable to world as we are not being aggressor. We are just providing airspace defense for "brotherly" nation. Just like US & europeans provide protection to their ally Israel against Iranian BMs. That's the least / most practical thing we can do to do our contribution. But honestly I don't see us doing even that.

 

[Liquidator]

I see you where you are going.

For all practical purposes. It will be very costly to launch 100s of long range BMs when most can get intercepted by planet's only credible missile defense system. Unless those are hypersonics (with variable trajectory).

Secondly, I don't think Pakistan feels the need OR has guts to attack Israel. Its not going to happen.

However, If we ever decide to go against Israel then we have a lot easier solution. Just partner up with Iran in their next round with Israel. Iran will do all the BM stuff and we just provide Iranian airspace defense with our airforce. It's also much acceptable to world as we are not being aggressor. We are just providing airspace defense for "brotherly" nation. Just like US & europeans provide protection to their ally Israel against Iranian BMs. That's the least / most practical thing we can do to do our contribution. But honestly I don't see us doing even that.

Good point.

So....Pakistan should start conducting joint exercises with them.

 

[Ak01]

Good point.

So....Pakistan should start conducting joint exercises with them.

do pakistanis have amnesia? did you forget iran attacking us not long ago...or them recruiting vast amounts of paks for their proxies? you want to become the next iraq or what

 

[kimjongun]

Golden Wheel Project:
In 1986, Saudi Ambassador to the United States Bandar bin Sultan Al Saud made a secret visit to China and requested the purchase of DF-3 ballistic missiles. The Chinese government agreed.
In 1987, Saudi Prince Sultan bin Abdulaziz made an official visit to China. China and Saudi Arabia officially signed a contract for the purchase of DF-3 ballistic missiles.
In 1988, the Chinese government publicly stated, "At the request of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, our government has sold a number of non-nuclear conventional surface-to-surface missiles."
The PLA Second Artillery Corps (the predecessor of the PLARF) built two military bases for Saudi Arabia under the name "Golden Wheel Project Company" and deployed troops there for rotational deployment. Therefore, the project is also known as the "Golden Wheel Project."

China and the MTCR:
In 1994, the Chinese government publicly expressed its willingness to adhere to the MTCR.
In 2000, China and the United States reached a new agreement on missile nonproliferation. The Chinese government pledged to further strengthen export controls on missiles and related technologies.
In 2004, the Chinese government reiterated its willingness to join the MTCR. China has held multiple rounds of dialogue with MTCR member states, but due to US opposition, China has not yet joined the MTCR.

In 2002, China promulgated the "Regulations of the People's Republic of China on Export Control of Missiles and Related Items and Technologies." This law references the technical parameters and control methods of the MTCR, with some provisions being even stricter than the MTCR. This law currently serves as the core regulation for China's export of related weapons.
In 2023, China further tightened export controls on UAVs and related items and technologies.

@Zarvan You need to pay attention to the timing of these events!

they were shown in 2014 military parade

 

[PakShaheen_79]

Hi, Pakistan also has spaced based intel assets. This was stated by retired Vice Air Commodore Chisti in an interview that I watched.

Take his words with a truck load of salt. He talks too much.

 

[Ali_Baba]

do pakistanis have amnesia? did you forget iran attacking us not long ago...or them recruiting vast amounts of paks for their proxies? you want to become the next iraq or what

Iranians are a confused bunch for sure right now as their internal lack of cohesion as a state does outwardly effect Pakistan negatively.

I am hopeful that the right royal mother of all beating they took from Israel has focused their minds onto better behaviour towards Pakistan and the region at large.

I think we should see, regardless of the historical baggage of the past, that a strong Iran is a united Iran, and they can serve the interests of Pakistan by being a buffer state against Israeli outreach into Pakistan. The last thing Pakistan needs is a broken fragmented Iran that Israel tried to create, on Pakistans borders.

Their behaviour of course should be monitored and Pakistans help should be correlated to that and they should understand that too.

( I am of the view that the missiles launched from Iran to Pakistan were a feature of the level of Israeli/mossad infiltration into their c&c network that added Pakistan to a list, than a directive from their supreme leader. It is a view, I don’t have anything to back it up as that is the only logic that makes sense to me).

( off topic for this thread, but i did want to respond to your post ).

 

[kimjongun]

Iranians are a confused bunch for sure right now as their internal lack of cohesion as a state does outwardly effect Pakistan negatively.

I am hopeful that the right royal mother of all beating they took from Israel has focused their minds onto better behaviour towards Pakistan and the region at large.

I think we should see, regardless of the historical baggage of the past, that a strong Iran is a united Iran, and they can serve the interests of Pakistan by being a buffer state against Israeli outreach into Pakistan. The last thing Pakistan needs is a broken fragmented Iran that Israel tried to create, on Pakistans borders.

Their behaviour of course should be monitored and Pakistans help should be correlated to that and they should understand that too.

( I am of the view that the missiles launched from Iran to Pakistan were a feature of the level of Israeli/mossad infiltration into their c&c network that added Pakistan to a list, than a directive from their supreme leader. It is a view, I don’t have anything to back it up as that is the only logic that makes sense to me).

It i said that iran created a committe for finding mossad agents in irani miltary networks and ranks but it as later found out that the head of the unit was a mossad agent..
Anti mossad unit

 

[Ali_Baba]

It i said that iran created a committe for finding mossad agents in irani miltary networks and ranks but it as later found out that the head of the unit was a mossad agent..
Anti mossad unit

It does not suprise me. There is a "war" between "progressives" and "islamic republic" people in Iran. That war is taking no prisoners and the participants "DONOT" care about the collateral damage they are doing as their ideology is more important to them than the state of Iran. That is creating the space for people like Mossad to be successful as both sides "co-opt" foreigners for their cause. Just look at the son of the ex-king as an example.

( off topic for this thread, but i did want to respond to your post ).

 

[kimjongun]

This might be off topic but i had asked @ghazi52 to make a seperate thread for indian military/spd strategic sites...there used to be a thread on the old pdf so i think there should be one here cuz that one isn't active anymore...

 

[Zarvan]

So is there anyone left who still wants to act like ostrich and thinks Pakistan shouldn't go for ICBM, SLBM?

 

[Liquidator]

So is there anyone left who still wants to act like ostrich and thinks Pakistan shouldn't go for ICBM, SLBM?

WW3 will be to end all wars.
We will all eat dust.
The evangicals yearn it, to summon their MAN-god. Who cares what happens to the planet when you ascend the rapture?
The end game will be with Chyna.
The fanatics are methodical. They do things precisely, one step at a time.
Pakistan comes before Chyna.
Pakistan should prepare to partake in the coming feast.

Pakistan should make longer sticks that go boom.