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It is a huge cope moment. This is a small piece of information someone has uploaded on X and fanboys are going berserk.

Respectable and informed members, right here on this thread have accepted that a building covered with tarp is of no conclusive proof of anything.

I need my brain and eyes to decide whats right and wrong!

I understand, no damage assessment was possible (only 100% objectively!)

what cannot be denied was the urgency on your part to perform certain urgent reactions?!!!

why so urgent and why public so worried?!!
 

The S-400 quandary​

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15th September 2025
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Mike Mihajlovic considers the claims by both Pakistan and India related to the Indian Air Force’s S-400 ground-based air defence systems
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The S-400 Triumf (NATO name SA-21 Growler) formerly the S-300PMU-3, is a mobile long-range surface to air missile system. It’s one of the most capable in the world and feared by most air forces that have to confront it
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India began inducting the S-400 Triumf system in late 2021, marking a significant enhancement of its long-range AD capabilities. Within a year, several regiments were deployed along the western front, with the first unit widely reported to be positioned in Punjab to monitor and secure airspace along the western border. By 2022–2023, additional units were operational, extending coverage to other strategically important sectors. The deployment was a clear signal of India’s intent to strengthen its aerial deterrence posture, particularly against high-performance aircraft and long-range strike assets in neighbouring states.

The JF-17 officially entered service with the Pakistan Air Force in 2010. Initial production runs were completed in China, but as the program matured, manufacturing increasingly shifted to the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) at Kamra, enabling domestic upgrades and greater autonomy over the fleet’s configuration. Among the most notable additions to the JF-17’s arsenal was the CM-400AKG, a Chinese-made high-speed air-to-surface missile. Open-source evidence indicates that Pakistan likely acquired the CM-400AKG in the early 2010s, with integration and trials on the JF-17 beginning around 2012–2013. Since then, the CM-400AKG has been a central component of Pakistan’s long-range strike capability. Its inclusion in the JF-17’s armament portfolio expanded the PAF’s ability to threaten heavily defended targets, both maritime and land-based, from standoff distances.

S-400

India’s acquisition of the S-400 system represents a profound enhancement to its AD architecture, one that blends advanced radar capabilities, frequency agility, and networked resilience. At the heart of the system lies a suite of radar sensors: the 91N6E Big Bird for early warning and broad surveillance (over 300-600km), the 92N6E Grave Stone fire-control radar for engagement, the 96L6E Cheese Board low-altitude tracker, and optionally stealth-target detectors such as Nebo-M. These radars collectively create a layered detection envelope, enabling India to detect and begin tracking Pakistani aircraft from long ranges, irrespective of flight altitude or intent to evade.

The S-400 exists in two principal forms: the domestic configuration used by the Russian Aerospace Forces and the export configuration, which is designated by the addition of the suffix ‘E’ to component nomenclature, as in 91N6E for the acquisition radar or 92N6E for the engagement radar. While the export system retains the overall architecture, general capabilities, and versatility of the original design, it incorporates a series of deliberate modifications intended to protect sensitive Russian technology, maintain a strategic advantage over foreign operators, and comply with both national and international arms control regimes.

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The four mobile systems that make up the complete S-400 system. From left to right, the 55K6E Command post vehicle, 92N6E target acquisition radar, 91N6E surveillance radar and 5P85SE2/sP85TE2 missile launchers. The 91N6E Big Bang radar is usually parked about 1km from the command and control vehicle, while the 92N6E target acquisition radars can be found between 30-100km away
One of the most significant distinctions lies in radar performance. The domestic 91N6 acquisition radar has been credited, in ideal conditions, with the ability to detect large high-altitude targets at ranges approaching 600km. The export variant, the 91N6E, is slightly reduced in maximum detection range, often cited at approximately 570km, with a marginally lower effectiveness against targets with small radar cross-sections. The reduction in capability arises not only from moderated transmitter power output but also from the deliberate simplification of signal processing algorithms. A similar pattern is seen in the engagement radar. The Russian 92N6 radar can track over a hundred targets simultaneously and engage approximately forty of them at once, employing highly advanced target discrimination routines. The 92N6E generally retains most of this capacity, but in export form, its simultaneous tracking and engagement channels are slightly fewer, and certain adaptive discrimination functions are less sophisticated, limiting its peak efficiency in extremely dense or deceptive air combat environments.

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This mock-up of the big CM-400AKG was seen at the Royal International Air Tattoo in July, the weapon’s first public viewing
Chris Lofting
The Russian domestic radars utilise a fully classified suite of counter-jamming features, including high-speed frequency hopping, wideband waveform agility, adaptive beamforming, and dynamic noise rejection algorithms. These allow the system to maintain target tracks even under concentrated hostile electronic attack. In the export versions, these features are retained in a functional but less complex form. Frequency agility remains a prominent characteristic, but the hopping patterns are simplified, and some of the adaptive ECCM (electronic counter-countermeasures) logic is reduced to make the system more predictable for authorised operators while safeguarding Russia’s most advanced techniques from potential reverse engineering.

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The CM-400AKG information board displayed next to a mock-up at Zhuhai Airshow in 2019
Alan Warnes
The differences extend beyond the radar subsystems to the missile inventory. The Russian S-400 employs a family of missiles including the 40N6, with a reported range of up to 400km; the 48N6DM, with a range of 250km; and the 9M96E/E2, which are shorter-range but highly agile interceptors. While export clients may receive the 40N6E missile with a nominally similar maximum range, its seeker sensitivity, ECCM robustness, and in some cases actual operational range are thought to be marginally reduced compared to the domestic missile.

A remarkable facet of the S-400’s design is its use of frequency-hopping and beam-steering technologies. These features allow the radar to rapidly switch frequencies in a pseudo-random manner and direct energy precisely toward targets – techniques that severely degrade the effectiveness of enemy jamming attempts. In practice, such agility forces an adversary’s jammer to spread its power across multiple frequencies or attempt to predict the hopping sequence, often unsuccessfully, thus substantially weakening any jamming effort.

India’s deployment of the S-400 goes beyond standalone operation; it is deeply interwoven into the nation’s broader defense sensor network. Systems such as the indigenous Akash AD and Rajendra radar are integrated via the IACCS command-and-control system, helping to correlate radar data from various layers and maintain tracking even amidst jamming or signal interference. The Rajendra, a passive phased-array radar, can track multiple targets and issue missile guidance commands, even under intense electronic warfare conditions.

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A JF-17C Block 3 Thunder launched the CM-400AKG missile at the IAF’s deadly S-400 air defence system. Two members of 14 Squadron ‘Tail Choppers’ were awarded the third highest military honour, Sitara-i-Jurat (Star of Courage) for their part in the mission
Alan Warnes
Pakistan should get something like S-400s. Does China have an alternative to this like HQ-9s?
 
That is what I suspect. The meteor is meant to be a light(ish) missile with a long range to take out lumbering Russian bombers with a half-decent capability against jets. Like they want to do stuff like this that they probably can't do with a slightly bigger boy:
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Don't get me wrong, the Meteor is probably a killer against the AIM120C7 for example.

Regarding the Turks - they do have an AIM120 analog as well - Gokdogan. They simply might be trying out solutions. Also they are likely gearing their fleet to fight Greek AAMRAMs and not PL-15s. But this is just speculation.

Also PL-15 is a later development so it is unfair to expect the Meteor to be able to outclass it. The Chinese probably went, here's a meteor, how do we defeat it.
We should also add that solid fuel compositions and dual-pulse rocket motors have also improved a lot in the intervening years. The EU does have the expertise through projects like CAMM/ER, SAMP/T, IRIS-T SLM/SLX, etc., to develop something analogous to the PL-15/E. However, as the Chinese honed in on this area earlier, I imagine they have a clearer idea right now of how to advance the propulsion stack in the PL-15/E.

With the Chinese, I'm actually imaging more of a scenario where they try achieving relatively high ranges and speeds with even smaller missiles. There's definitely that need for out-ranging the opponent, for sure, but OTOH you have loyal wingman UAVs and NGFAs coming online with internal bays, so smaller, more compact AAMs with a 100+ km range could also be a goal. Maybe dual-BVR/WVR AAMs?
 
It is a huge cope moment. This is a small piece of information someone has uploaded on X and fanboys are going berserk.

Respectable and informed members, right here on this thread have accepted that a building covered with tarp is of no conclusive proof of anything.
The article is talking about 20kg warhead drones - so also likely that they struck here or there but damage was superficial. 20KG isn’t “light” per se but impacts offset 3-5m at gets you shattered windows and burn marks.
 
So basically PAF lied about destruction of basically everything, along with fake tail numbers...
Cope Harder :)
 
Poor Indians, same as 2019, all they can be proud of are remains of the missiles fired at them😂

Apparently,

The world is begging India to show them the used condom they've pulled out of their backsides.

But, there's nothing to learn from the country that inserted it..
 
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The cope is insane the Lindu posted a 2 yr old photo, absolute clowns

He is a old time troll. Poor fellows are doing their best echo chambers.

But then many Pakistanis are too - just not as madly and blatantly in majority as them.
 
The article is talking about 20kg warhead drones - so also likely that they struck here or there but damage was superficial. 20KG isn’t “light” per se but impacts offset 3-5m at gets you shattered windows and burn marks.
It does seem quite pathetic really, the indians fire large warhead missiles and the PAF fires small loitering munitions with small warheads, primarily designed for armour and soft targets.
 
It does seem quite pathetic really, the indians fire large warhead missiles and the PAF fires small loitering munitions with small warheads, primarily designed for armour and soft targets.
Because that is all you have and your actual arsenal is pretty shallow with limited numbers you have kept strictly for worse case scenarios.
 
blips were designed to perform at very specific times and very specific functions!

need not say much!
You haven’t said anything except airy conjecture that has nothing to do with Spectra or PL-15.
PL-15 being faster and PAF’s methodology for tracking kills is related how to negating Spectra’s capabilities?
No need for obfuscation since you’re not discussing or revealing anything mind blowing here
 
why so urgent and why public so worried?!!
No one is worried. I see worry on your part and some fanboys who were hoping to claim first successful ground attack after 3 months of Op Sindoor.

Try hard as you want, a tarp covered building wouldn’t take you anywhere.
Get hold of a proper BDA and come back. No amount of drama or crying will get you anywhere.
 
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Cope Harder :)
Add photos of remaining tail numbers as well, 28 of them :)
 
We should also add that solid fuel compositions and dual-pulse rocket motors have also improved a lot in the intervening years. The EU does have the expertise through projects like CAMM/ER, SAMP/T, IRIS-T SLM/SLX, etc., to develop something analogous to the PL-15/E. However, as the Chinese honed in on this area earlier, I imagine they have a clearer idea right now of how to advance the propulsion stack in the PL-15/E.

With the Chinese, I'm actually imaging more of a scenario where they try achieving relatively high ranges and speeds with even smaller missiles. There's definitely that need for out-ranging the opponent, for sure, but OTOH you have loyal wingman UAVs and NGFAs coming online with internal bays, so smaller, more compact AAMs with a 100+ km range could also be a goal. Maybe dual-BVR/WVR AAMs?
This is something all missile guidance people know - you optimize for minimum time. But I suppose ranges were super important at some point. I think the Chinese realize that ramjet solutions save you some weight but the kinematic penalty in terms of time is too much. USA has also realized this. I would think the Chinese would double down on the solution that they have and which they know works. The Europeans are likely suffering from momentum and a sunk-cost fallacy.
 
You haven’t said anything except airy conjecture that has nothing to do with Spectra or PL-15.
PL-15 being faster and PAF’s methodology for tracking kills is related how to negating Spectra’s capabilities?
No need for obfuscation since you’re not discussing or revealing anything mind blowing here
Please dont feel any liberty to ridicule me, even if i feel the need to 'obfuscate' anything!



Im not an electrical engineer, Im an epistemologist and financial engineer and will avoid any hint of spitting out any useless or needed info!
blip (waves) travel faster (in a very specific time frame), than the missile speed..

only question is, how blip speed was determined in a very specific 'jamming' env!
 

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