Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion

[nahtanbob]

5. I was hearing rumors that soon Asim Munir was going to get rid of the Sharifs and Zardari’s. Now, after the royal treatment in Saudi Arabia, it seems like they’re going to stay. There’s little chance of development with these criminals around.

Maybe that is not progress

 

[chinasun]

For Pakistan, the strategic and economic benefits of signing a mutual defense agreement with Saudi Arabia are multi-dimensional:

1. Strengthened National Defense and Deterrence: The pact stipulates that any attack on Pakistan will be regarded as an attack on Saudi Arabia, and vice versa. This guarantees Pakistan the military backing of a major Middle-Eastern power when facing external threats, markedly raising its deterrence—especially in stand-offs with India.

2. Potential Extension of a Nuclear Umbrella: Although not officially stated, the accord has been portrayed as “a comprehensive defense pact covering all military means,” widely interpreted to include Pakistan’s nuclear deterrent. In effect, Islamabad could extend a nuclear umbrella over Riyadh, enhancing its own strategic stature in the Muslim world.

3. Deepened Military Cooperation and Training: Joint exercises, intelligence sharing and personnel training will be expanded. Pakistan has trained Saudi servicemen since 1967 (more than 8,200 to date); the treaty institutionalizes this cooperation and boosts the export of Pakistani military instructors and hardware.

4. Anticipated Economic Support and Investment: While the text itself contains no economic clauses, Prime Minister Sharif’s visit is expected to unlock Saudi financial aid or investment commitments at a time when Pakistan is grappling with a foreign-exchange crunch and tough IMF-loan conditions. Riyadh may provide budgetary support or concessional oil supplies.

5. Enhanced Regional and International Profile: The accord positions Pakistan at the core of Middle-Eastern security architecture, transcending its traditional South-Asian identity and making it a pivotal security broker linking South Asia, the Gulf and the wider Islamic world. This leverage can be used within the OIC and other multilateral forums.

6. Balanced Diplomatic Relationships: Riyadh insists the pact is not aimed at any third country and will not affect its ties with India, yet by locking itself into a tight security partnership with Saudi Arabia, Pakistan gains a counter-weight to India’s growing cooperation with Gulf states, preserving its own strategic maneuvering room.

In short, the treaty is more than a military alliance; it is a critical step for Pakistan—amid fiscal hardship and regional isolation—to secure protection, economic breathing space and a strategic reboot.




From now on, the Pakistan Air Force is destined to be an enviable career: serve the country with loyalty, then move on to Saudi Arabia after retirement, with both paths offering bright prospects.

 

[Tamerlane]

Maybe that is not progress

Military progress will be great. Whether we are able to benefit economically is yet to be determined.

At a minimum, Pakistan will be free of the IMF, which will allow it a lot of leeway.

 

[chinasun]

Saudi Arabia and Pakistan Sign Historic Defense Pact​

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[Samurai]

I think the realization has started that it's fine to waste (invest) 100 billion on Western older weapons, but it's also needed to invest $ 25-30 billion into Turkish and Pakistani defense industries.

If these geniuses can invest just $ 25 billion each into Turkish and Pakistani defense industries, you could have 2 5th generation stealth jets in the next 5 years made by these these two nations and more. Let's see.

"If these geniuses can invest just $ 25 billion each into Turkish and Pakistani defense industries"

Its not just about funding the defence sector to build weapons. In case of Pakistan there is:

1) Huge lack of skilled labor for developing sophisticated systems and sub-systems
2) Quality of education and educational infrastructure like R&D facilitates in universities
3) Absence or minimal involvement of private sector in military industrial complex
4) Current companies like POF and HIT are stagnated and have no vision or will towards manufacturing quality systems right from planning and R&D to project realization
5) Very limited supply chain and replenishment strategies in terms of manufacturing of missiles or equipment etc. (in case war breaks out)

These are the main points that come into my mind, but just funneling money lets say for e.g. into defence company's like POF or HIT will get you nothing, unless they really plan to expand and upgrade themselves. There needs to be a change in mindset and cultural shift towards meritocracy. Otherwise all that money will go either into the pockets of the greedy or end up in gutter due to failed projects. Bottom line is that, there needs a huge overhauling of Pakistani defence sector just like Turkey did.

 

[Sinnerman108]

"If these geniuses can invest just $ 25 billion each into Turkish and Pakistani defense industries"

Its not just about funding the defence sector to build weapons. In case of Pakistan there is:
1) Huge lack of skilled labor for developing sophisticated systems and sub-systems
2) Quality of education and educational infrastructure like R&D facilitates in universities
3) Absence or minimal involvement of private sector in military industrial complex
4) Current companies like POF and HIT are stagnated and have no vision or will towards manufacturing quality systems right from planning and R&D to project realization.

These are the main points that come into my mind, but just funneling money lets say for e.g. into defence company's like POF or HIT will get you nothing, unless they really plan onto expand and upgrade themselves. There needs to be a change in mindset and cultural shift towards meritocracy. Otherwise all that money will go into the pockets. There needs to be a huge overhauling of Pakistani defence sector just like Turkey did.

Very well said.
Saudis are way ahead when it comes to consolidating production,
SAMI / GAMI and the way they have created a skeleton of defense industry is very impressive albeit they lack some skills, they will make it up.

Pakistan on the other hand doesn't believe in this, the army will actively refuse to adapt and share control. HIT / HMC etc

So, this contract looks like nuclear umbrella at best plus rocket force.

Nothing else.

 

[KingQamaR]

Pakistanis advertising the nuclear option protection of Saudis regime is a bad move.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Implications for Bharat is a fun to watch. They get alarmed even if a pigeon is hatched or a balloon is blown in this side of the border. And, now you've got a full fledged strategic defense pact b/w the KSA and Pak with a plausible ramification on the GCC....

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Pakistanis advertising the nuclear option protection of Saudis regime is a bad move.

I think the Pak Deep State is slowly moving out of its comfort zone. In the Trumpian world there's no obligation to be politically correct. The West is all about maximizing its objective and interest. Now, the East is taking the same pills. Welcome to the brave new world....

 

[Goenitz]

Sometimes you have to send a message, no it's not just for public consumption because in fact now bringing in public would mean you have to act on it when situation comes. If you would have kept it quite there were chances you could have backed off now you have ended those chances.

my concern was nuclear or short of that air defence or strategic umbrella.. if they blab about it, then it is big talk and the West will try its best to cease that before it gets materialised.

 

[mythbuster]

Heard melodies are sweet. But those unheard are sweeter still.

 

[Hassan_716]

so all our senior guys here .. how to you see this development? good not so good? premature ? well timed?
In May didnt same people said don't retaliate we dont want another gaza.
Will it mean that next time around they would rather send whatever help they can to our way.
Or is it one sided affair ..

 

[Cesur]

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For those who were wondering how we were going to produce thousands of missiles and where the cash will come for, this is it.

I have a feeling we will sign a defence pact with Turkiye as well. Both Saudi Arabia and Turkiye know Pakistan has manpower, cheap labour and most importantly proven battlefield experience.. Unofficially I would even include China in this as a technology enabler. The Chinese know there is a vacuum in the Middle East and Pakistan is that perfect country to channel through.

 

[Tamerlane]

Some more random thoughts:

1. There is a three-pronged pincer movement to control the Middle East. Israel, American military bases, and massive numbers of Indians. Pakistan will be confronting all of them.

2. There will be a period of extreme danger before Pakistani forces are deployed. Israel is on the rampage now. It may speed up its activities before Pakistan is ready to do anything.

3. There’s probably going to be a protocol for controlling Pakistani troops deployed in Saudi Arabia, if there are any. Presumably, they will be under Saudi control. For example, if India and Israel launch a joint attack on Pakistan, will Pakistani forces in Saudi Arabia be allowed to retaliate against Israel?

4. What would be the threshold before ultimate weapons are used? Who decides that?

There are lots of questions at this point and few answers.

 

[Pradotlc]

These planes are only good for escorting dignitaries and bombing Houthis. Shame really as they won't lay a finger on the Bast@rd Zionist entity.

there are inferior F-15s to what Israel has... I dont think they will be much use against them..