Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion
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Sinnerman108
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Can you please qualify how it is Qibla Awal ?
Or is it something you have heard from molvis and taken up without research.
AS far as Quran is concerned, Mecca (Beccca) is where the first house of Lord has always been. Abraham didn't construct it, he raised it again after it's destruction.
So Mecca is Awal of Awalon.
Aqsa was constructed AFTER the prophet,
The dome of the rock is an Israeli piece, and it's been there since David's time.
The fact is. You doubt Saudis for their inabilities in fighting their wars but in reality, Saudis have always stood beside us in the time of need. Be it the wars against India or the aftermath of nuclear test.
Sinnerman108
Registered Member
To start It will be 5 regiments from our rocket force, integrated in their SMF.
Air defense is next step.
_Arabia_
Trusted Member
Very good and welcome development. Since the inception of Pakistan, KSA has always been a close partner bound by a religious, cultural, geographic and ancient historical bond (the first recorded civilizations/cultures in what is today Pakistan, (IVC), were close partners of contemporary civilizations in Arabia (Sumer, Dilmun, Magan etc.) and in fact it where our forefathers who first described the IVC to the outside world during that long bygone era.
A lot of people to people relations in the modern era, almost exclusively Pakistani workforce in KSA.
I would like to see this new development result in something truly tangible for both parties in terms of the military sector but not only. Expand this cooperation economically, in terms of agriculture, mining, AI, technology, STEM, culture, transportation and what not.
Hopefully this will benefit the ordinary man and woman in both KSA and Pakistan.
Since 2020, KSA is no longer involved in Yemen and have signed peace deals with Houthis. There is an established understanding and the status quo is intact after the Yemeni civil war (Houthis remain in control of the Zaydi mountanious heartlands and KSA/official Yemeni army/government, controlling the remaining 80% of Yemen)
Last time there was an KSA/Iran war was 1400 years ago during the Arab Islamic conquest. Afterwards the degree of "animosity" in terms of conflict can be boiled down to numerous Arab dynasties ruling Iran, long after direct Arab Caliphate rule.
For example the longest ruling Iranian dynasty in history was originally of Arab origin.
en.wikipedia.org
Many others before and after.
en.wikipedia.org
The Safavids claimed Arab ancestry and intermarried with Arab Sadah families (plural of Sayyid).
It was during the Safavids that Iran became majority Shia Muslim courtesy of imported Arab Shia clerics from modern-day Eastern KSA and Bahrain plus Southern Iraq next door and Lebanon.
Hence my Mullah's like Khamenei and Khomeini are fruits of those migrations. At least both claim so.
en.wikipedia.org
Nowadays there is no hostility and relations have cooled down. As long as Iran is not actively meddling in internal Arab affairs in a negative way and supporting non-state militant/terrorist actors, there is no reason for any hostility. We are permanent neighbours and have much in common as well as deep ties on most fronts, in particular with Eastern Arabia/Iraq and Southern Iran.
Not to mention that millions of Arabs live in Iran and have done so long before the appearance of Islam.
Most of pre-Islamic Iranian civilization/culture was also extremely influenced by our ancient Semitic cultures (Babylonian empire, Sumer etc.) which in many ways "civilized" the Persians early on and whose culture, language (Akkadian - closely related to Arabic), and symbols, architecture, civilization, art, they all copied.
Rest of your questions we do not know the answers of, as nobody here knows the inner details of this deal.
But I can already tell you this, the main goal of KSA, is stability (regional) and economic progress. Not starting any new wars or conflicts unless attacked.
We are already the by far largest and richest regional country so we don't need to go on any adventures unlike others in the region (israel....)
KSA is going to host the World Cup, Asian Games, AFC football tournament, numerous sporting and cultural events and has emerged (only will be bigger by each month) as a tourist and cultural hub on a global scale. KSA is also undergoing huge cultural, economic and social changes in the past 10 years.
None of the above fits into some scenario where KSA is suddenly going on the offensive without reason.
If anything this is a message to the US's rapid attack dog (Israel) that you cannot attack KSA and get away with it, even if you have the US/West/NATO as your obedient slaves.
But I can already tell you this, the main goal of KSA, is stability (regional) and economic progress. Not starting any new wars or conflicts unless attacked.
KSA is going to host the World Cup, Asian Games, AFC football tournament, numerous sporting and cultural events and has emerged (only will be bigger by each month) as a tourist and cultural hub on a global scale. KSA is also undergoing huge cultural, economic and social changes in the past 10 years.
None of the above fits into some scenario where KSA is suddenly going on the offensive without reason.
If anything this is a message to the US's rapid attack dog (Israel) that you cannot attack KSA and get away with it, even if you have the US/West/NATO as your obedient slaves.
KSA/Arabs/Muslims cannot defeat Israel/USA/NATO in a direct war, but with the help of Pakistan (nuclear umbrella) we can at least make them think twice before any additional moronic adventures.
Personally I am in favour of all main Muslim/Islamic nations developing nuclear weapons/hydrogen bombs/cobalt bombs as a means to at least be safe/project strength towards aggressive adversaries. It is about time. Arabs in the modern era unfortunately know all to well what it means to engage with the foremost power and strongest military force in recorded history (USA/NATO/Israel) (Iraq, Libya etc.). If those states had nuclear weapons (as they tried to but were prevented from by the same alliance) those wars would not have started. Look at North Korea.
A lot of people to people relations in the modern era, almost exclusively Pakistani workforce in KSA.
I would like to see this new development result in something truly tangible for both parties in terms of the military sector but not only. Expand this cooperation economically, in terms of agriculture, mining, AI, technology, STEM, culture, transportation and what not.
Hopefully this will benefit the ordinary man and woman in both KSA and Pakistan.
There are no "Saudi Arabian wars" in fellow Arab countries whether in neighbouring Yemen, Syria or Sudan. The Syrian civil war ended last December. KSA is not actively involved in Sudan either and if involved, it supports the official government and military, as was done in Yemen.
Since 2020, KSA is no longer involved in Yemen and have signed peace deals with Houthis. There is an established understanding and the status quo is intact after the Yemeni civil war (Houthis remain in control of the Zaydi mountanious heartlands and KSA/official Yemeni army/government, controlling the remaining 80% of Yemen)
Last time there was an KSA/Iran war was 1400 years ago during the Arab Islamic conquest. Afterwards the degree of "animosity" in terms of conflict can be boiled down to numerous Arab dynasties ruling Iran, long after direct Arab Caliphate rule.
For example the longest ruling Iranian dynasty in history was originally of Arab origin.
Shirvanshahs - Wikipedia
Many others before and after.
Muzaffarids (Iran) - Wikipedia
The Safavids claimed Arab ancestry and intermarried with Arab Sadah families (plural of Sayyid).
It was during the Safavids that Iran became majority Shia Muslim courtesy of imported Arab Shia clerics from modern-day Eastern KSA and Bahrain plus Southern Iraq next door and Lebanon.
Hence my Mullah's like Khamenei and Khomeini are fruits of those migrations. At least both claim so.
Safavid conversion of Iran to Shia Islam - Wikipedia
Nowadays there is no hostility and relations have cooled down. As long as Iran is not actively meddling in internal Arab affairs in a negative way and supporting non-state militant/terrorist actors, there is no reason for any hostility. We are permanent neighbours and have much in common as well as deep ties on most fronts, in particular with Eastern Arabia/Iraq and Southern Iran.
Not to mention that millions of Arabs live in Iran and have done so long before the appearance of Islam.
Most of pre-Islamic Iranian civilization/culture was also extremely influenced by our ancient Semitic cultures (Babylonian empire, Sumer etc.) which in many ways "civilized" the Persians early on and whose culture, language (Akkadian - closely related to Arabic), and symbols, architecture, civilization, art, they all copied.
Rest of your questions we do not know the answers of, as nobody here knows the inner details of this deal.
But I can already tell you this, the main goal of KSA, is stability (regional) and economic progress. Not starting any new wars or conflicts unless attacked.
We are already the by far largest and richest regional country so we don't need to go on any adventures unlike others in the region (israel....)
KSA is going to host the World Cup, Asian Games, AFC football tournament, numerous sporting and cultural events and has emerged (only will be bigger by each month) as a tourist and cultural hub on a global scale. KSA is also undergoing huge cultural, economic and social changes in the past 10 years.
None of the above fits into some scenario where KSA is suddenly going on the offensive without reason.
If anything this is a message to the US's rapid attack dog (Israel) that you cannot attack KSA and get away with it, even if you have the US/West/NATO as your obedient slaves.
But I can already tell you this, the main goal of KSA, is stability (regional) and economic progress. Not starting any new wars or conflicts unless attacked.
KSA is going to host the World Cup, Asian Games, AFC football tournament, numerous sporting and cultural events and has emerged (only will be bigger by each month) as a tourist and cultural hub on a global scale. KSA is also undergoing huge cultural, economic and social changes in the past 10 years.
None of the above fits into some scenario where KSA is suddenly going on the offensive without reason.
If anything this is a message to the US's rapid attack dog (Israel) that you cannot attack KSA and get away with it, even if you have the US/West/NATO as your obedient slaves.
KSA/Arabs/Muslims cannot defeat Israel/USA/NATO in a direct war, but with the help of Pakistan (nuclear umbrella) we can at least make them think twice before any additional moronic adventures.
Personally I am in favour of all main Muslim/Islamic nations developing nuclear weapons/hydrogen bombs/cobalt bombs as a means to at least be safe/project strength towards aggressive adversaries. It is about time. Arabs in the modern era unfortunately know all to well what it means to engage with the foremost power and strongest military force in recorded history (USA/NATO/Israel) (Iraq, Libya etc.). If those states had nuclear weapons (as they tried to but were prevented from by the same alliance) those wars would not have started. Look at North Korea.
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Technically you both are right
Not a religious thread but even kids know that Muslim used to pray facing Masjid e Aqsa (Qibla number one) before the verse in the Quran was revealed at the Masjid Qiblatain when the Prophet changed his direction from Aqsa to Kaba during prayer. But you are right that Kaba was built before Masjid e Aqsa
Back to topic
Abid123
Trusted Member
KSA can easily spends billions of USD on that.
Yes to all 3.
Watandar
Trusted Member
I dont think you know what is difference between Qibla, Kaaba, or masjid or anything else about Islamic history. Hence you utter such nonsense.
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so a nothingburger of stuff that was already happening
Trailer23
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_Arabia_
Trusted Member
In a perfect world, Pakistan would share/help build up nuclear infrastructure in KSA, Iran, Turkey, Indonesia, Algeria, Egypt etc. and this way the Muslim world would most likely no longer be a punching bag for the US/Israel/West or any other outsiders for that matter that have hostile intentions.
We are reaching a phase in the world where brute force is the only thing that matters. All the past decades of Western propaganda of human rights, international law and what not, has been exposed as nonsense or at most selective nonsense that is only applied for the enemies of the West whether geopolitical, economic, cultural, religious etc. enemies.
Therefore deals such as this one is a first step in the right direction and long overdue. It should result in something tangible as I wrote otherwise it would just be the usual hot air from our leaderships.
We need to create a deterrent.
We are reaching a phase in the world where brute force is the only thing that matters. All the past decades of Western propaganda of human rights, international law and what not, has been exposed as nonsense or at most selective nonsense that is only applied for the enemies of the West whether geopolitical, economic, cultural, religious etc. enemies.
Therefore deals such as this one is a first step in the right direction and long overdue. It should result in something tangible as I wrote otherwise it would just be the usual hot air from our leaderships.
We need to create a deterrent.
You have always been interesting member for me but please keep it to current affairs only and not the history prior to independence of Pakistan.Very good and welcome development. Since the inception of Pakistan, KSA has always been a close partner bound by a religious, cultural, geographic and ancient historical bond (the first recorded civilizations/cultures in what is today Pakistan, (IVC), were close partners of contemporary civilizations in Arabia (Sumer, Dilmun, Magan etc.) and in fact it where our forefathers who first described the IVC to the outside world during that long bygone era.
A lot of people to people relations in the modern era, almost exclusively Pakistani workforce in KSA.
I would like to see this new development result in something truly tangible for both parties in terms of the military sector but not only. Expand this cooperation economically, in terms of agriculture, mining, AI, technology, STEM, culture, transportation and what not.
Hopefully this will benefit the ordinary man and woman in both KSA and Pakistan.
There are no "Saudi Arabian wars" in fellow Arab countries whether in neighbouring Yemen, Syria or Sudan. The Syrian civil war ended last December. KSA is not actively involved in Sudan either and if involved, it supports the official government and military, as was done in Yemen.
Since 2020, KSA is no longer involved in Yemen and have signed peace deals with Houthis. There is an established understanding and the status quo is intact after the Yemeni civil war (Houthis remain in control of the Zaydi mountanious heartlands and KSA/official Yemeni army/government, controlling the remaining 80% of Yemen)
Last time there was an KSA/Iran war was 1400 years ago during the Arab Islamic conquest. Afterwards the degree of "animosity" in terms of conflict can be boiled down to numerous Arab dynasties ruling Iran, long after direct Arab Caliphate rule.
For example the longest ruling Iranian dynasty in history was originally of Arab origin.
Shirvanshahs - Wikipedia
Many others before and after.
Muzaffarids (Iran) - Wikipedia
The Safavids claimed Arab ancestry and intermarried with Arab Sadah families (plural of Sayyid).
It was during the Safavids that Iran became majority Shia Muslim courtesy of imported Arab Shia clerics from modern-day Eastern KSA and Bahrain plus Southern Iraq next door and Lebanon.
Hence my Mullah's like Khamenei and Khomeini are fruits of those migrations. At least both claim so.
Safavid conversion of Iran to Shia Islam - Wikipedia
Nowadays there is no hostility and relations have cooled down. As long as Iran is not actively meddling in internal Arab affairs in a negative way and supporting non-state militant/terrorist actors, there is no reason for any hostility. We are permanent neighbours and have much in common as well as deep ties on most fronts, in particular with Eastern Arabia/Iraq and Southern Iran.
Not to mention that millions of Arabs live in Iran and have done so long before the appearance of Islam.
Most of pre-Islamic Iranian civilization/culture was also extremely influenced by our ancient Semitic cultures (Babylonian empire, Sumer etc.) which in many ways "civilized" the Persians early on and whose culture, language (Akkadian - closely related to Arabic), and symbols, architecture, civilization, art, they all copied.
Rest of your questions we do not know the answers of, as nobody here knows the inner details of this deal.
But I can already tell you this, the main goal of KSA, is stability (regional) and economic progress. Not starting any new wars or conflicts unless attacked.
KSA is going to host the World Cup, Asian Games, AFC football tournament, numerous sporting and cultural events and has emerged (only will be bigger by each month) as a tourist and cultural hub on a global scale. KSA is also undergoing huge cultural, economic and social changes in the past 10 years.
None of the above fits into some scenario where KSA is suddenly going on the offensive without reason.
If anything this is a message to the US's rapid attack dog (Israel) that you cannot attack KSA and get away with it, even if you have the US/West/NATO as your obedient slaves.
But I can already tell you this, the main goal of KSA, is stability (regional) and economic progress. Not starting any new wars or conflicts unless attacked.
KSA is going to host the World Cup, Asian Games, AFC football tournament, numerous sporting and cultural events and has emerged (only will be bigger by each month) as a tourist and cultural hub on a global scale. KSA is also undergoing huge cultural, economic and social changes in the past 10 years.
None of the above fits into some scenario where KSA is suddenly going on the offensive without reason.
If anything this is a message to the US's rapid attack dog (Israel) that you cannot attack KSA and get away with it, even if you have the US/West/NATO as your obedient slaves.
KSA/Arabs/Muslims cannot defeat Israel/USA/NATO in a direct war, but with the help of Pakistan (nuclear umbrella) we can at least make them think twice before any additional moronic adventures.
Personally I am in favour of all main Muslim/Islamic nations developing nuclear weapons/hydrogen bombs/cobalt bombs as a means to at least be safe/project strength towards aggressive adversaries. It is about time. Arabs in the modern era unfortunately know all to well what it means to engage with the foremost power and strongest military force in recorded history (USA/NATO/Israel) (Iraq, Libya etc.). If those states had nuclear weapons (as they tried to but were prevented from by the same alliance) those wars would not have started. Look at North Korea.
Sinnerman108
Registered Member
Please do you job which is administration as per rules.
Telling right from wrong is something you can save for yourself
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