Trump ally Charlie Kirk shot at campus event in Utah

[Agnostic Muslim]

when arab palestinian leave and abandon the property

Why do you think they ‘left’ their homes, lands and lives?

 

[Agnostic Muslim]

But this is the consequence of the war initiated by arabs right?

No - its the consequence of European Jews pouring into Palestine and terrorizing, massacring and driving the indigenous populace out. The Arabs reacted to the atrocities being perpetrated by ‘Israelis’.

 

[Antonius123]

Why do you think they ‘left’ their homes, lands and lives?

The war, initiated by arab nations.

And they are persuaded to flee by arab nations too.

 

[Antonius123]

No - its the consequence of European Jews pouring into Palestine and terrorizing, massacring and driving the indigenous populace out. The Arabs reacted to the atrocities being perpetrated by ‘Israelis’.

According to whose law?

Go ahead enforce your own law if you can. But now you and your law have been defeated, why playing victim now?

When your enemy win then enforce their own law, you shouldn't complain

 

[Antonius123]

Attacking natives and stealing land and crushing their rights and futures is not "defending yourself". Israel has been an aggressor since the very beginning and guilty of the worst legal and moral crimes, then spends tons of money and effort to convince the world that actually the Palestinians and Muslims are the bad guy.

this money and effort to deceive the world is called "hasbara". Its what you are engaging in. Many trolls on internet are paid Hasbara.

In fact, it was arab nations has been the aggressor since the very beginning, attacking Israel soon after Israel declare independence days endorsed by UN and recognized by most nations.

When Israel kick back and take control of their land, many started to play victim.

 

[Agnostic Muslim]

According to whose law?

Exactly - there was no ‘law’ under which the Israeli atrocities of massacring and terrorizing Palestinians to force them to flee their lands and homes could be justified, hence the attempted Arab military response.

 

[Agnostic Muslim]

In fact, it was arab nations has been the aggressor

Interesting way of defining ‘aggressor’ when it was European Jews who forcibly took over land belonging to Palestinians and terrorized them, causing the conflict.

• Approval and rejection: On November 29, 1947, the UN General Assembly adopted Resolution 181, which recommended the partition of Mandatory Palestine. Jewish leaders largely accepted the plan, while Palestinian Arabs and the broader Arab League rejected it, arguing the UN had no authority to divide the territory. Arabs were particularly outraged that the plan allocated a Jewish state to a community that constituted only one-third of the population and owned less than 6% of the land.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Now Jimmy Kimmel has been fired over comments about Charlie Kirk.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/17/business/media/abc-jimmy-kimmel.html

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Very suprised to hear of this!! So much for "free speech from a comedian of all people.."

 

[SABRE]

Now Jimmy Kimmel has been fired over comments about Charlie Kirk.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/17/business/media/abc-jimmy-kimmel.html

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I think he is suspended, not fired. Stephen Colbert has been cancelled for the next year, I believe. Whereas goons like Bill Maher continue with their stupidity unabated.

 

[Agnostic Muslim]

The entire Jimmy Kimmel episode is just bad optics, and the worse thing is, Kimmel wasn't even talking about Kirk, he was talking about MAGA need to stop pretending Robinson is not one of them, now I don't know if this is true or not, but that had nothing to do with Kirk or like many that had been "cancelled" by saying "Kirk bring this onto himself" or like that MSNBC guy that got fired by saying "When you say hateful things, you get hateful reaction" Kimmel is simply talking about the killer, not Kirk, that makes people really think if Kimmel was right, that Robinson were indeed a MAGA. Otherwise, there is no point for Trump and the White House to press on FCC to ban him.

I don't like Kirk, again, he is as much as Joy Reid or Rachel Maddow to me, I don't watch the view and I don't watch Turning Point. Nobody deserved to be shot for expressing their ideology, I will say that if Joy Reid or Rachel Maddow is assassinated. The issue here is, freedom of speech includes freedom to dislike anyone; it's like an old TV show said, you are free to dislike me as long as you are doing this for the right reason.

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If I cannot say "I don't like you" then the entire Freedom of Speech falls apart. And that goes to either side of the spectrum.

I completely agree - freedom of speech can’t be limited on the basis of so called hate speech, even with CK’s views or the Quran burning and Prophet Muhammad cartoons.

Kirk was not some infallible debater - his positions could be countered and were countered.

Criticize the individual, criticize the views but absolutely DO NOT shut down debate or the ability to voice those views

I personally don’t listen or watch left wing commentators or personalities (don’t need to exist in an echo chamber). I do however watch right wing news and listen to right wing talk radio precisely because I want to understand the views of the other side and see if there actually is something that they have a fair point on.

 

[FuturePAF]

I think we may be in a special phase where a media invention so grips the minds of the people that whatever it says is accepted as the truth. It happened once before with radio , then television, now its social media. The disinformation/propaganda machine that the right-wing has built is truly something and is able to fool the people into focusing on culture war only, even at the cost of their own economic well being and civil rights. I don't know how long its omnipotence will last, maybe another 7 to 10 years.

It was a slow build up for the past 20 years. Ever since just before Obama was elected. Far too many young men in America have said they have nothing to lose, as they can’t get an home, a spouse, a decent career, and these are the men you see take up with movements on both sides. The volatility is high amongst Gen. Z and Millenials.

 

[Master Chief]

In fact, it was arab nations has been the aggressor since the very beginning, attacking Israel soon after Israel declare independence days endorsed by UN and recognized by most nations.

When Israel kick back and take control of their land, many started to play victim.

Questions:

Are you actually this stupid or is this some kind of trolling for kicks that you are engaging in?

You actually are suggesting that there was no cause for alarm among Arab citizens in Ottoman era Palestine with regards to Jewish immigration into their land?

You are actually genuinely suggesting that?

I really have no interest in talking with a simple troll, but I shall put the following out to help inform genuinely interested readers on the thread, and that is all that I will say by way of response to you.

Refer, for starters, to the world zionist movement's teachings and active efforts since the 1st World War and earlier.

Theodor Herzl was the founder of the World Zionist Organisation and the Jewish National Fund. His categorical objective was the movement of IMMIGRANT Jews en masse into someone else's already inhabited land and the further DISPLACEMENT of those individuals already there.

They tried when the Ottomans were in charge and the Ottomans rejected their plan of replacing natives with immigrants (half the western world is on fire today because of this very issue, by the way, in case you had not noticed). Then they tried with the help of the British occupiers, and succeeded. Yet you sit here and question the moral right of local populations to resist this?

 

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[FuturePAF]

I will say 911 hysteria still exists today, it hasn't die down in 2008, I mean all you need is to listen to some right-wing pundit rhetoric, they aren't hard to find at all.

The issue with the 2024 election is disenfranchising people. When you look at the total number of votes against voting eligibility, the biggest voting group in the 2024 election is not the GOP, it's people who didn't vote. This created a problem for the Democrats because they were counting on people to do the right thing and come out to vote, they know their base is less than MAGA, which mean when people don't come out to vote, that doomed their campaign, and people don't come out to vote simply because they think voting is pointless because you are talking about Trump vs Harris, honestly, both candidate is bad.

2026 and 2028 are going to be a different landscape, 2026 is going to be a referendum for Trump, if none of his policies (mostly tariffs) are picked up, then GOP is going to lose 2026, and if Trump policy picked up late 2025 and early 2026, then GOP will win regardless of what the Dem throw at them and 2028 will be a referendum for Republicans and MAGA, if people are too sick of MAGA and Republican, then regardless of what is the dem pick.

Unless people are interested in Politics again, we are going to be pulled on both sides of the extreme spectrum, because people are too indifferent to their country and if Trump and the GOP lose in 2026, we can see a more socialist bounce back for the Democrats. Which I personally consider worse than Trump, and you know I hated Trump

It’s a struggle for the soul of both parties and the country. If Eisenhower saw Trump, he would be spinning in his grave; to not only see what Trump has done to the GOP, but to the country, and by bastardizing the 50s, Ike’s time in office, aka the time I assume Trump tries to saw was the time America was its greatest.

Both Trump and many top Dems are Grifters. It’s disheartening that the political class at that level, especially the elderly have so undermined the potential of the younger generation from just getting their lives started; at least being able to afford a starter home (not investing adequately to create programs to help young people to be able to pay a mortgage).

You are right, ultimately, if Trump’s policies work, on deportations and tariffs to jump start growth and investment, 2028 will go the Trump led GOP’s way. But if Trump is not hated so much by 2028, apathy on the dem side may allow JD to be elected in 2028.

Only if people hate Trump enough, and the economy falters will be see Dems win back both houses of congress and the presidency in 2028.

 

[delta2]

Some are saying this will be blamed on the perpetually online, especially those that follow people like Nick Fuentes, GROYPERS. Nick who called out Charlie for his bending to Trump’s actions, most recently with the Israel-Iran 12 day war.

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Groypers, Helldivers 2, Furries: What Do the Messages Left by Charlie Kirk’s Alleged Killer Actually Mean?

Suspect Tyler Robinson allegedly inscribed messages on bullet casings that reference video games and internet culture—but they hardly point toward a coherent ideology.

www.vanityfair.com

Charlie Kirk Suspect’s Grandma Says Family Is All MAGA

Tyler Robinson, the prime suspect in Charlie Kirk’s assassination, comes from a proud MAGA family, according to his grandmother.

www.thedailybeast.com

Here is Nick Fuentes response to the murder.

Btw side note, Nick Fuentes shows how much he hates people being killed in Gaza by the Israelis and the BS reasons the Israelis give to pretend to justify murder. 30:40-31:18. So he has no friends from those on the right that are pro-Israel.

Nick Fuentes is really truly MAGA. Focused on the youth.

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Here is why Nick will be blamed: especially after the memory of the GROYPER wars will be brought up.

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No, they cannot blame it on Nick Fuentes. That could back fire bigly and truly galvanise his base and increase his popularity. Even though he himself is a Mexican Catholic, Nick Fuentes has somehow completely captured the imagination of right wing racist whites seeking and asking for racial purity.

They have already presented the script and will stick to it.