Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Ali_Baba said:
Bagram air base is in Afghanistan. A border country of Iran. My comments were about the USA wanting to go back into Afghanistan!!!
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create tactical nukes and all these bases will become meaningless
 
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Dariush-e Bozorg said:
Weak response

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It's not if they actually implement it
It is better than leaving the NPT.

You stay in the NPT, but completely cut ties with the atomic agency.
But we all know that they don't have the balls to do that. We're talking about a bunch of senile Ayatollahs after all.
 
people are so naive, again getting caught up in microdetails while missing the big picture.

Either they keep or kick out the IAEA, IRI itself has not shown even the slightest intention of moving towards nuclear weapons. Had it been the case, they would not have allowed the program to be politicized internationally 20 years ago (threatening Global Jew lords openly for no reason at all). Illiterate and coward IRI leadership never tied Iranian national security with strategic deterrence that global economic ties + strong conventional and unconventional military capabilities provide. They could have stayed silent on Israel since Iran has no business in Levant. They could have Mended ties with west just post-Khatami era while secretly working on ICBMs, SSBNs, IRIAF, Nukes, Sats while playing role of a responsible rational powerhouse of the region. I can give examples of which countries kept this model of playing nice globally while sharpening their swords in secret. Illiterate Mullahs instead opened their mouths against US and Israel. Instead of building actual strategic capabilities they tied Iranian national security with funneling 500+ Billion USD on useless Arab Militias to tangle Iran up in irrelevant intra-semite wars, while making sure that resultant sanctions cripple Iran both economically and militarily.
To me these "news" of he said, she said at IAEA and dialogues with EU/US is useless as long as ball less leadership of IRI sits at power.
 
ShapurII said:
It's not if they actually implement it
It is better than leaving the NPT.

You stay in the NPT, but completely cut ties with the atomic agency.
But we all know that they don't have the balls to do that. We're talking about a bunch of senile Ayatollahs after all.
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I like this idea, this is a chess move, not a backgammon move. I think in the end of all of these slings and arrows that we've been taking, the only solution is to secretly go for the nuke. Otherwise, we've wasted hundreds of billion if not a trillion dollars, broke the back of the people for nothing..........the US/EU are going for the slow chock move to put us down.....the only way to bring them back to the deal table and give them pause is to have a nuke.
 
Emirzad said:
Illiterate and coward IRI leadership never tied Iranian national security with strategic deterrence that global economic ties + strong conventional and unconventional military capabilities provide. They could have stayed silent on Israel since Iran has no business in Levant. They could have Mended ties with west just post-Khatami era while secretly working on ICBMs, SSBNs, IRIAF, Nukes, Sats while playing role of a responsible rational powerhouse of the region. I can give examples of which countries kept this model of playing nice globally while sharpening their swords in secret. Illiterate Mullahs instead opened their mouths against US and Israel.
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Yes, yes.....indeed, I don't think at this juncture we can change course 180 deg, but we can start the course correction.
I cannot believe I'm saying this, but we need to abandon the Arab world, the entire Palestinian cause is a construct of the clerics. It's a lost cause, why? Because bastards with actual leverage like Saudi Arabia, Egypt, UAE, and even Turkey have done nothing for their brothers!!! Nothing~ So, we must realize we are taking a lot of damage for the security of the region by ourselves, and to be honest, we can potentially be the 400 pound gorilla of this region. We have lost that mantle to 2nd rate powers like Turkey and Pakistan. Shameful......at the end of the day we can protect ourselves, it's UAE, Bahrain, and even Saudi Arabia are the ones that need to watch out for Israel's aggression, we don't have to.....we've proved we can hit back and hit back hard.
It will take too long to come back economically, too long to come back militarily.....we have to go all in.....nukes!
It's either Black Jack or bust!
too late for anything else. The nuke can give us some breathing room....otherwise the boogeymen are coming and they will break up our country and makes us into Syria 2.0
 
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BigMela2onin said:
Even after the west literally tried to kill him, pezeshkian still cried about making a deal. The reformists are westoxified to a pathological extent, they are openly acting as foreign agents and have absolutely destroyed our nation. zarif and rouhani should have been hanged.
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Why does aligning with the East or China supposedly mean we have to be completely alienated from the West? That’s just not true.

IRI could have easily aligned with China, built up the country, become independent and strong, and then negotiated with the West from a position of power. Even China itself trades and does business with the West on a massive scale. Why wouldn’t an East-leaning Iran be able to do the same?

I’ve said this over and over, and I still don’t understand why people don’t get it: the real reason we are locked in this isolated position is because the elites benefit from it. They profit off a strangled market and sanctions because it lets them control the black market and trade rights. Foreign investment would also mean Iranian companies that deliver subpar quality would suddenly face global competition, and the IRGC and others would lose their monopolies over key sectors and they will never willingly give that up.

Without sanctions, most of the mullahs, crooked politicians, and their offspring who live lavish lifestyles in the West would be scrubbing toilets. Including those spoiled offsprings themselves.
 
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Watandar said:
For what reason ?
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It’s because winter is coming. If Israel doesn’t strike in the fall then it will have to wait till spring for better conditions.

I don’t know why Israel would attack, Iran’s program right now is dormant. And the deepest sites are out of Israel reach.
 
Immortals said:
I don’t know why Israel would attack, Iran’s program right now is dormant. And the deepest sites are out of Israel reach.
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Terror bombings, kill civilians for fun, kill government officials, dissolve the state, etc.
 
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