Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[kastor ville]

It's not if they actually implement it
It is better than leaving the NPT.

You stay in the NPT, but completely cut ties with the atomic agency.
But we all know that they don't have the balls to do that. We're talking about a bunch of senile Ayatollahs after all.

I like this idea, this is a chess move, not a backgammon move. I think in the end of all of these slings and arrows that we've been taking, the only solution is to secretly go for the nuke. Otherwise, we've wasted hundreds of billion if not a trillion dollars, broke the back of the people for nothing..........the US/EU are going for the slow chock move to put us down.....the only way to bring them back to the deal table and give them pause is to have a nuke.

 

[kastor ville]

Illiterate and coward IRI leadership never tied Iranian national security with strategic deterrence that global economic ties + strong conventional and unconventional military capabilities provide. They could have stayed silent on Israel since Iran has no business in Levant. They could have Mended ties with west just post-Khatami era while secretly working on ICBMs, SSBNs, IRIAF, Nukes, Sats while playing role of a responsible rational powerhouse of the region. I can give examples of which countries kept this model of playing nice globally while sharpening their swords in secret. Illiterate Mullahs instead opened their mouths against US and Israel.

Yes, yes.....indeed, I don't think at this juncture we can change course 180 deg, but we can start the course correction.
I cannot believe I'm saying this, but we need to abandon the Arab world, the entire Palestinian cause is a construct of the clerics. It's a lost cause, why? Because bastards with actual leverage like Saudi Arabia, Egypt, UAE, and even Turkey have done nothing for their brothers!!! Nothing~ So, we must realize we are taking a lot of damage for the security of the region by ourselves, and to be honest, we can potentially be the 400 pound gorilla of this region. We have lost that mantle to 2nd rate powers like Turkey and Pakistan. Shameful......at the end of the day we can protect ourselves, it's UAE, Bahrain, and even Saudi Arabia are the ones that need to watch out for Israel's aggression, we don't have to.....we've proved we can hit back and hit back hard.
It will take too long to come back economically, too long to come back militarily.....we have to go all in.....nukes!
It's either Black Jack or bust!
too late for anything else. The nuke can give us some breathing room....otherwise the boogeymen are coming and they will break up our country and makes us into Syria 2.0

 

[Immortals]

wow. weaker than I could imagine.

“Higher enrichment of uranium”

You mean greater than the 0% currently?

 

[FUB]

 

[Persian Gulf]

“Higher enrichment of uranium”

You mean greater than the 0% currently?

only "aiming" for that, whatever that means.

 

[mangekyo]

Even after the west literally tried to kill him, pezeshkian still cried about making a deal. The reformists are westoxified to a pathological extent, they are openly acting as foreign agents and have absolutely destroyed our nation. zarif and rouhani should have been hanged.

Why does aligning with the East or China supposedly mean we have to be completely alienated from the West? That’s just not true.

IRI could have easily aligned with China, built up the country, become independent and strong, and then negotiated with the West from a position of power. Even China itself trades and does business with the West on a massive scale. Why wouldn’t an East-leaning Iran be able to do the same?

I’ve said this over and over, and I still don’t understand why people don’t get it: the real reason we are locked in this isolated position is because the elites benefit from it. They profit off a strangled market and sanctions because it lets them control the black market and trade rights. Foreign investment would also mean Iranian companies that deliver subpar quality would suddenly face global competition, and the IRGC and others would lose their monopolies over key sectors and they will never willingly give that up.

Without sanctions, most of the mullahs, crooked politicians, and their offspring who live lavish lifestyles in the West would be scrubbing toilets. Including those spoiled offsprings themselves.

 

[A1Kaid]

Came across a report that Israel plans to re-attack Iran this Fall.

 

[Watandar]

Came across a report that Israel plans to re-attack Iran this Fall.

For what reason ?

 

[kastor ville]

Vali is awesome!
Finally, someone has a plan!

 

[Immortals]

For what reason ?

It’s because winter is coming. If Israel doesn’t strike in the fall then it will have to wait till spring for better conditions.

I don’t know why Israel would attack, Iran’s program right now is dormant. And the deepest sites are out of Israel reach.

 

[BigMela2onin]

I don’t know why Israel would attack, Iran’s program right now is dormant. And the deepest sites are out of Israel reach.

Terror bombings, kill civilians for fun, kill government officials, dissolve the state, etc.

 

[kastor ville]

Vali is awesome!
Finally, someone has a plan!

So, the future of Iran is Pakistan or Egypt at best......we will be a militarized governed country, this is very sad.

Another important point he made was Iran wants sovereignty and economic freedom, it can meet its goals by having sanctions lifted, in order to do that is we have to give accommodation to the US, vis a vis nuclear, proxies, etc. But, we don't have to be subservient.
He also said the idea of being resistant in order to get the West to give us what we want has been proven wrong.

 

[hasssanali8998]

Following their example? Pakistani army cracked down on East Pakistani politicians and elites. That started a war between the east and the west. The war which West Pakistanis lost in 9 months. So it's a poor example you gave. But yeah I support ur idea wholeheartedly.

way different man , they are not 1000s km away and the military has same ethnicity and language

 

[FUB]

Interesting
Translation:
He already cut a deal to get the base back and the Taleban who are almost out of water have agreed .
Now we get a victory lap of what a strong president he is
He shows the world and the idiots with clap like seals

 

[ToddE]

Yes, yes.....indeed, I don't think at this juncture we can change course 180 deg, but we can start the course correction.
I cannot believe I'm saying this, but we need to abandon the Arab world, the entire Palestinian cause is a construct of the clerics. It's a lost cause, why? Because bastards with actual leverage like Saudi Arabia, Egypt, UAE, and even Turkey have done nothing for their brothers!!! Nothing~ So, we must realize we are taking a lot of damage for the security of the region by ourselves, and to be honest, we can potentially be the 400 pound gorilla of this region. We have lost that mantle to 2nd rate powers like Turkey and Pakistan. Shameful......at the end of the day we can protect ourselves, it's UAE, Bahrain, and even Saudi Arabia are the ones that need to watch out for Israel's aggression, we don't have to.....we've proved we can hit back and hit back hard.
It will take too long to come back economically, too long to come back militarily.....we have to go all in.....nukes!
It's either Black Jack or bust!
too late for anything else. The nuke can give us some breathing room....otherwise the boogeymen are coming and they will break up our country and makes us into Syria 2.0

Iran if let loose today by world powers will become one of the top-10 economies of the world naturally in 6-8 years by HC assets alone. It will also easily become the most industrialized MENA nation thanks to STEM force we produce. Currently our people leave Iran (highest STEM brain drain in world) due to sanctions resultant 1/10th GDP we have and suppressive life. They wont leave when economy will be strong again and draconian Islamism will not be shoved down their throats anymore. Military will be strong as hell again. Khamenei's IRI is a guarantee to the enemies of Iran that this sleeping giant of Eurasia will not rise up again to claim its place on globe. With sanctions from tangling up Iran in Jew-Arab Phuckfest, IRI is making sure that Iran stays a crippled state which it has become. They have also made Iranian lives cheap by sacrificing thousands in name of Palestine.

I do not agree with you that If IRI is gone, Iran will be allowed to reclaim its spot in the world this easily. Thing is IRI's useless fighting with Israel+US+EU has done so much damage to Iran that people just do not understand. Its cant be undone in any short time. World has seen that decades of crippling sanctions could not deter IRI from its stupid policies or from selling its oil or building a very efficient military industrial complex inside Iran (Missiles, SLVs, IADS, drones, Navy etc). Regardless of how ineffective these "resistances" were IRI still could stand on its own feet. Would the world allow a nationalist government run Iran to be freely do as it pleases ? I believe no, post IRI Iran will be just another post Baathist Iraq, deliberately kept weak by politicial turmoils. Iran is already showing signs of chaos post Khamenei where atleast two political factions are clearly pitting themselves against each other. West did not allow post USSR Russia to rise up freely either. Post IRI Iran will also face same challenge where it will not be trusted for years and possibly decades. New administrations post Khamenei will need to play very very smart and secretive about their intentions of rebuilding Iran instead of opening their mouth on Israel and US 24/7 or petting any more useless Arab Armies. Khamenei has done permanent damage to Iran, whoever takes over after this will start from a position of disadvantage.