Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion

[Pak-Warrior]

Gents - Please take politics outside of this threat. I dislike politics, but the truth should be told. Had this been IK gov't, Saudis would've done a pact with India like Indians were dying for. I know so many here are IK fans but you should first be honest to the nation you and your ancestors belong to. The 5 day war, would've turned into 1 day defeat because under IK's "unwilling" to fight India, they would've simply told us "we didn't have the money to put Petrol in tanks, so we couldn't defend ourselves". But let's get away from politics and contribute to the topic. It's about Pakistan!

At one hand you have thrown your pure political BS tantrum and on other hand you are saying it to keep it non-political. That's exactly What I was doing when I told another tout to do so. My post wasn't political but your Bugzi cult can't control themselves.

About "5 day war" LOL! First it wasn't a war by any definition.. It was a tiny skirmish at best. 250 million nation Versus 1.4 billion collides and only 2 dozen causualities? Its not a war. First get your definitions right.

Secondly, just think for a moment that what really has happened. India ATTACKED Pakistan on its 11 major Cities killing our civilians & our children on a compete allegations. I cannot imagine they would have done so while any honorable leader in charge of a "sovereign" country. They saw your incompentencies and they attacked as if we are nothing. Lastly, its unimaginable that with any XYZ leader let alone IK would have waited for 4 days to start operation bunyanul.--- . Indians kept firing missiles and even fired at 9 airbases and we kept showing "restrain". The 6 aircrafts in beginning was accomplishments of our pilots. They were on patrol, they still waited for indians to fire their cruise missiles towards our land before releasing their pl-15s. (BTW both J-10Cs and pl-15s were aquired by PTI govt. The very only achievement we got was due to that). Our pilots did purely defensive action. They only followed minimum defensive doctrine to stop any aggressor. Plus indian missiles reached our major cities in duration of this conflict. Our capital (former Islamabad airport / nur khan base) hit. But we didn't dared to fire at New-Delhi because of lack of leadership. Not the lack of capability.

So If you want more thrashing in form of actual facts then I am ready to enlighten you. You and all that BS propaganda won't sustain in front of FACTS!

 

[Cookie Monster]

Not a surprise, we may have started talks with them ages ago.

As long as Saudi does not attack Qatar and vice versa (unlikley as it is) Pak defence pacts with both should work

Not just that...
...instead of separate defense pact...I can see the possibility of one defense pact for all 3 countries by including Qatar.

With the recent attack on Qatar by Israel...and multiple threats/attacks on Iran by Israel...
...Iran/KSA can be convinced to stop the push and pull on Qatar. This would naturally free it up from having to carefully balance both its large neighbors...and then naturally it would align more so with KSA. This can eliminate or at least diminish the political differences that exist between KSA and Qatar.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

At one hand you have thrown your pure political BS tantrum and on other hand you are saying it to keep it non-political. That's exactly What I was doing when I told another tout to do so. My post wasn't political but your Bugzi cult can't control themselves.

About "5 day war" LOL! First it wasn't a war by any definition.. It was a tiny skirmish at best. 250 million nation Versus 1.4 billion collides and only 2 dozen causualities? Its not a war. First get your definitions right.

Secondly, just think for a moment that what really has happened. India ATTACKED Pakistan on its 11 major Cities killing our civilians & our children on a compete allegations. I cannot imagine they would have done so while any honorable leader in charge of a "sovereign" country. They saw your incompentencies and they attacked as if we are nothing. Lastly, its unimaginable that with any XYZ leader let alone IK would have waited for 4 days to start operation bunyanul.--- . Indians kept firing missiles and even fired at 9 airbases and we kept showing "restrain". The 6 aircrafts in beginning was accomplishments of our pilots. They were on patrol, they still waited for indians to fire their cruise missiles towards our land before releasing their pl-15s. (BTW both J-10Cs and pl-15s were aquired by PTI govt. The very only achievement we got was due to that). Our pilots did purely defensive action. They only followed minimum defensive doctrine to stop any aggressor. Plus indian missiles reached our major cities in duration of this conflict. Our capital (former Islamabad airport / nur khan base) hit. But we didn't dared to fire at New-Delhi because of lack of leadership. Not the lack of capability.

So If you want more thrashing in form of actual facts then I am ready to enlighten you. You and all that BS propaganda won't sustain in front of FACTS!

Do you HONESTLY think Pakistan did not fire any missiles on indian bases and did not do any significant damage? Why were the indians so eager for a ceasefire despite THEN having the FULL backing of america, the west, israel and Russia and claiming that they will NEVER stop until they do to Pakistan what the israelis are doing to the Palestinians in Gaza?

 

[RajaBaja]

At one hand you have thrown your pure political BS tantrum and on other hand you are saying it to keep it non-political. That's exactly What I was doing when I told another tout to do so. My post wasn't political but your Bugzi cult can't control themselves.

About "5 day war" LOL! First it wasn't a war by any definition.. It was a tiny skirmish at best. 250 million nation Versus 1.4 billion collides and only 2 dozen causualities? Its not a war. First get your definitions right.

Secondly, just think for a moment that what really has happened. India ATTACKED Pakistan on its 11 major Cities killing our civilians & our children on a compete allegations. I cannot imagine they would have done so while any honorable leader in charge of a "sovereign" country. They saw your incompentencies and they attacked as if we are nothing. Lastly, its unimaginable that with any XYZ leader let alone IK would have waited for 4 days to start operation bunyanul.--- . Indians kept firing missiles and even fired at 9 airbases and we kept showing "restrain". The 6 aircrafts in beginning was accomplishments of our pilots. They were on patrol, they still waited for indians to fire their cruise missiles towards our land before releasing their pl-15s. (BTW both J-10Cs and pl-15s were aquired by PTI govt. The very only achievement we got was due to that). Our pilots did purely defensive action. They only followed minimum defensive doctrine to stop any aggressor. Plus indian missiles reached our major cities in duration of this conflict. Our capital (former Islamabad airport / nur khan base) hit. But we didn't dared to fire at New-Delhi because of lack of leadership. Not the lack of capability.

So If you want more thrashing in form of actual facts then I am ready to enlighten you. You and all that BS propaganda won't sustain in front of FACTS!

You should open up a new thread. I promise, I'll answer this entire post but in a political thread. Not here. This is a different discussion. Thanks!

But you do need to think a little. If Saudis, taking one example, didn't know that we beat the living out of Indians, will they do a defense pact with us? Will you ask a security company to protect your house when you know that security company had a robbery in their own office?

We have the President of the US saying India reached out to them asking for a ceasefire, you have the same Saudis as a witness and then the Turks and the Chinese. Can't you add 2+2=4 here? Do you think all these nations are lying on the media?

We were told to ceasefire the next day. We said "our response has to come". We didn't say we won't respond or we didn't have the "Petrol" for our tanks. We told the Americans a large attack will come. For your information, we fired more TNT tonnage on India than we used in the entire war in 1965 during Bunyanum Marsoos!

 

[Pak-Warrior]

Do you HONESTLY think Pakistan did not fire any missiles on indian bases and did not do any significant damage? Why were the indians so eager for a ceasefire despite THEN having the FULL backing of america, the west, israel and Russia and claiming that they will NEVER stop until they do to Pakistan what the israelis are doing to the Palestinians in Gaza?

I never said that. Pak did fired missiles in the end at FOBs (not the major airbases deep in india, like what they did by striking our major bases at length of Pakistan )

The point is we waited and showed unbeliveable "restrain" because of lack of leadership. When india did unimaginable by hitting 11 of our cities killing our children right on 7th May. We should have struck back right then the next day, if there was any competent leadership. (just like what we did in 2019 by launching operation swift retort the very next day)

Our pilots on air patrol did a great commedable job by hitting some of those attackers but neither our sitting govt or army leadership has any credit for that. The credit goes to only those who were in air and managing the air battle.


Lastly, its really pathetic to compare a NATION of 250 MILLION peopple with GAZA. If we really had to listen a taunt of GAZA then why we spent everything for our defense for 7 decades? Why we are giving money to 6th largest military of world for 7 decades ? Why our GREAT civilian scientists (DR. A. Q khan and rest) did so much effort to make Pakistan nuclear power. SO NEVER GIVE this TAUNT OF GAZA to pakistanis again!!!

 

[krash]

India's support for the Palestinians is lukewarm because Hamas leads it. And given the attack on October 7th, India has found common cause with Israel rather than with the Palestinians.

India's support is nonexistent. Has been since the late 80s. Wasn't much more than generic statements before it either. The Indian public's support for the genocide was unmasked when they acquired access to social media. Rich seeing you claiming Palestinian gravitation while your countrymen have been celebrating dead Palestinian kids online for years.

Not even the Arabs are on the side of the Palestinians this time around. It may have to do with the fact that Hamas is part of the Muslim Brotherhood and an Iranian proxy.

Either your rock's been really cozy or you're willfully blind to the unprecedented and increasing worldwide condemnation against Israel, including from its traditionally unwavering and complicit allies. The self-serving and cowardly Arab Governments are not the litmus test you can bank on.

 

[BrigSmart]

He cited an example of similar actions taken by the USA back in the late 90's allowing mass Indian migration to the US hoping they will form a defense partnership against China but India bailed out after taking the US jobs and economic help.

What does India has do with what's going on with Pakistan and the middle eastern nations? Why do you guys bring India into everything?

Selective amnesia? It wasn't I but you who brought up India without any reason. I just responded to you.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

I never said that. Pak did fired missiles in the end at FOBs (not the major airbases deep in india, like what they did by striking our major bases at length of Pakistan )

The point is we waited and showed unbeliveable "restrain" because of lack of leadership. When india did unimaginable by hitting 11 of our cities killing our children right on 7th May. We should have struck back right then the next day, if there was any competent leadership. (just like what we did in 2019 by launching operation swift retort the very next day)

Our pilots on air patrol did a great commedable job by hitting some of those attackers but neither our sitting govt or army leadership has any credit for that. The credit goes to only those who were in air and managing the air battle.


Lastly, its really pathetic to compare a NATION of 250 MILLION peopple with GAZA. If we really had to listen a taunt of GAZA then why we spent everything for our defense for 7 decades? Why we are giving money to 6th largest military of world for 7 decades ? Why our GREAT civilian scientists (DR. A. Q khan and rest) did so much effort to make Pakistan nuclear power. SO NEVER GIVE this TAUNT OF GAZA to pakistanis again!!!

At the time of operation sindoor, india had the FULL-BACKING of america, the west, israel and russia. For the west, india was going to showcase itself as a bulwark against China. india failed spectacularly. If india can be militarily defeated by Pakistan than india will NEVER be able to take on China. NOT even in a million years.

YES, the BIGGEST mistake Pakistan made was that it showed TOO MUCH restraint. This NEEDs to drastically change. Do you belief things would have been different if Imran Khan was prime minister? If so why?

 

[A1Kaid]

You will about to see a major shift, soon Qatar/Kuwait/Bahrain will Join the Defense Pact.

Pakistan Armed Forces have bigger Fish to fry - we will not forget! (The Planned attempt of combine offensive India-Entity together)

more interestingly you will see IRan also asking to be part of the Pact.

Surely we are now for all intent and purposes standing in front of Entity! say it a mistake or destiny but next in not India its Indo-Entity we are in process to secure air space over Afghan and Arabian Sea. We effectively negated the threat posed by India.

Any good sources? I did hear 2 other countries potentially interested.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

You should open up a new thread. I promise, I'll answer this entire post but in a political thread. Not here. This is a different discussion. Thanks!

But you do need to think a little. If Saudis, taking one example, didn't know that we beat the living out of Indians, will they do a defense pact with us? Will you ask a security company to protect your house when you know that security company had a robbery in their own office?

We have the President of the US saying India reached out to them asking for a ceasefire, you have the same Saudis as a witness and then the Turks and the Chinese. Can't you add 2+2=4 here? Do you think all these nations are lying on the media?

We were told to ceasefire the next day. We said "our response has to come". We didn't say we won't respond or we didn't have the "Petrol" for our tanks. We told the Americans a large attack will come. For your information, we fired more TNT tonnage on India than we used in the entire war in 1965 during Bunyanum Marsoos!

Pakistan comprehensively defeated india militarily. That is why america and the west have turned against india. america and the west have been building up india since 1995. They have spent trillions of dollars in trying to build up india as a bulwark against China. Operation sindoor showed the world that india cannot even take on Pakistan let alone China. america and the west were thinking, "what the hell have the indians been doing with the trillions of dollars we have given them?" They are still furious and have hence distanced themselves from the indians.

 

[A1Kaid]

In a close, friendly meeting with the President of the largest chamber of commerce in Pakistan today, a small focused discussion took place as a side items towards Saudi-Pakistan defense agreement.

He outlined that he was invited by the Saudi Commercial attaché to prepare business and labor proposals to be presented to the Saudi embassy within a few weeks. He specifically mentioned that at this time, he is in touch with 3 different Arab countries. They all want Pakistani labor primarily and labor from Muslim nations, but the trust from Indian labor has eroded.

He also said that these governments due to this WAPAN pact related considerations, think that integrating Pakistani labor and culture within their system is now needed so to allow easy integration of both societies. He cited an example of similar actions taken by the USA back in the late 90's allowing mass Indian migration to the US hoping they will form a defense partnership against China but India bailed out after taking the US jobs and economic help.

I am learning the same. Pakistani labor to ramp up in Saudi and Indian labor to ramp down. Saudis see Indian labor as Israeli-espionage risk.

It will have to be gradual as the employer to labor pipelines from Saudi to India run deep and have to be changed. Not to mention the scale.


Bahrain expected to do the same.

 

[A1Kaid]

Egypt and Turkiye needs to sign a pact with us as well

It’s better to strategically scale the pact overtime if need be and be very selective on who to let in, e.g. solidify in the Gulf region first, with built up assets to actually defend and cohesively act as a pact, etc.

Egypt is infiltrated by Israelis and does deals with Israel—they are a security risk.

Turkiye would be a great prospective partner, however it’s involvement in NATO complicates things.

Pak-Saudi 70+ year relation, no Israeli recognition, enough strategic autonomy, and longtime military collaboration.

 

[A1Kaid]

Pakistan comprehensively defeated india militarily. That is why america and the west have turned against india. america and the west have been building up india since 1995. They have spent trillions of dollars in trying to build up india as a bulwark against China. Operation sindoor showed the world that india cannot even take on Pakistan let alone China. america and the west were thinking, "what the hell have the indians been doing with the trillions of dollars we have given them?" They are still furious and have hence distanced themselves from the indians.

Pakistan defeating India in May 2025 is not a topic we debate here. Multiple international experts have weighted in on this.

It is a settled matter.

Let’s use this thread to focus on brighter and more important matters: Pak-Saudi deal.

 

[mythbuster]

It’s better to strategically scale the pact overtime if need be and be very selective on who to let in, e.g. solidify in the Gulf region first, with built up assets to actually defend and cohesively act as a pact, etc.

Egypt is infiltrated by Israelis and does deals with Israel—they are a security risk.

Turkiye would be a great prospective partner, however it’s involvement in NATO complicates things.

Pak-Saudi 70+ year relation, no Israeli recognition, enough strategic autonomy, and longtime military collaboration.

Very good point..yes we must be selective.....one country's veto can bog down the decision making process.

 

[Pak-Warrior]

YES, the BIGGEST mistake Pakistan made was that it showed TOO MUCH restraint. This NEEDs to drastically change. Do you belief things would have been different if Imran Khan was prime minister? If so why?

That's all my point that we showed unnecessary restrain for 4 days before striking Fatahs. When india had violated every norms by striking a sovereign nation and 11 of its cities.

I don't think things would have drastically changed but your friends think like that. They think Pak military would have not fight just because IK in power. This is level of their intellect & obsession with the jailed national leader. Even though a live example was set when Pak retaliated the next say in Op swift retort 2019. I only believe any leadership except the ones in power right now would have retaliated earlier.