Chinese SAC - FC-31/J-35 5th Gen Stealth Aircraft

[RajaBaja]

I know I'm being rude again with my judgment, but please... it's IMPOSSIBLE!

Even if Saudi Arabia sends massive amounts of money, Pakistan won't be able to develop it in the timeframe you envision – I'm convinced, even simply not on its own.

That's simply beyond their technical capabilities, even if they a) could access an external, pre-developed design and b) get a foreign engine for it... neither of which, in my opinion, will happen.

Consequently, these plans - even if it hurts - are simply unrealistic dreams, and anyone who writes such posts on X is either an idiot, a propagandist who knowingly lies, or a stupid fanboy living in their own dream world.

But the 2028 you envision is COMPLETELY unrealistic!

I never said we will have flying stealth jets by 2028. That's impossible. We can't build a full JF-17 after 25 years of initiating this project, how could we magically start flying a 5th gen stealth jet by 2028, in just 3 years?

What I am saying is, our direction for the future and may be 1/2 prototypes customized for Pakistan based on some Chinese design will get finalized by 2028. I expect that before 2028 but that's the year they are targeting. That's also when they'll start to build local assembly lines, etc. But there will be practical steps taken towards a sustainable 5th generation product by 2028, that would include initial build in China and TOT based buildout later in Pakistan including an engine so that Pakistan-Saudia can have one aircraft per their own requirements and build locally.

Hopefully, this clears it. We'll also have inducted the J-35A in 2027 unless the Chinese expedite our request.

 

[BonPlan]

The naval version of the J35 uses the WS-13E, with a thrust of 9100KN.P/W at 8
The Air Force version of the J-35A uses the WZ-21, which reaches 9300KN,P/W at 8.3
WS-19 is unlikely in the short term,The current thrust that can be achieved is 98000KN and the weight is 11000KG
It is still far from the goal of 10000Kn of thrust and T/W at 10.

98 kN more probably than 98000 kN.....
weight : 1100 kg instead of 11000.... no?

 

[BonPlan]

J-35 is "lean and mean" because it doesn't have the capability of the F-35. The J-35 is nothing more than IRST, Radar and stealth. F-35 is an all domain fighter.

I don't think so.
F-35 is an average platform because of the B version. As a result all the models are fat.
Not to speak of the weapon system : not fully mature 20 years afer first flight. block 4 is, once again, late.

J-35 is a well born F-35 in fact.

 

[Cesur]

Like I've been saying knowing a thing or two:

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@MirageV3ff @Hakikat ve Hikmet @Hakwa Nadro @pwfi @PAKISTANFOREVER @Michael

I don't see this happening. I believe the Saudis either would like to invest in Kaan or are already in it and it makes a lot of sense because Turkiye has an established defence industry, fits into western eco system which the Saudis have invested for decades. With Pakistan I would say it would be nothing more than perhaps investing into our rocket force/missile program because their expectations from Pakistan would be using land forces for their own protection. If there is any cooperation any more than this may be helping Pakistan expand its existing capacity or helping Pakistan purchase equipment from China.

 

[RajaBaja]

I don't see this happening. I believe the Saudis either would like to invest in Kaan or are already in it and it makes a lot of sense because Turkiye has an established defence industry, fits into western eco system which the Saudis have invested for decades. With Pakistan I would say it would be nothing more than perhaps investing into our rocket force/missile program because their expectations from Pakistan would be using land forces for their own protection. If there is any cooperation any more than this may be helping Pakistan expand its existing capacity or helping Pakistan purchase equipment from China.

Pakistani forces in KSA within the WAPAN pact (War Alliance of Pakistan and Arab Nations) will use their own aircrafts and equipment. This equipment will be made interoperable with Saudis through Link-17 just like it is in Pakistan's case today. Which is why I mentioned before that Erieye's will play a big role from the Saudia side also.

The reason why Pakistan is going towards a locally built future generation aircraft is so it can have a jet to fulfil it's requirements as well as requirements for the defense pact.

Land forces will hardly be used if there is a confrontation between Saudia and "others", unless one airforce establishes total air superiority on the other in which case, the escalation ladder will have crossed the threshold!

Air battles and stand off munitions will decide the fate of the conflict. Just like we saw in May.

 

[Deino]

I never said we will have flying stealth jets by 2028. That's impossible. We can't build a full JF-17 after 25 years of initiating this project, how could we magically start flying a 5th gen stealth jet by 2028, in just 3 years?

What I am saying is, our direction for the future and may be 1/2 prototypes customized for Pakistan based on some Chinese design will get finalized by 2028. I expect that before 2028 but that's the year they are targeting. That's also when they'll start to build local assembly lines, etc. But there will be practical steps taken towards a sustainable 5th generation product by 2028, that would include initial build in China and TOT based buildout later in Pakistan including an engine so that Pakistan-Saudia can have one aircraft per their own requirements and build locally.

Hopefully, this clears it. We'll also have inducted the J-35A in 2027 unless the Chinese expedite our request.

Then I totally misunderstood your Post, sorry!

 

[冖_冖]

J-15 J-35 KJ-600 take off and land on Fujian aircraft carrier​

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This is the first time in history that a stealth fighter has taken off and landed on an aircraft carrier with electromagnetic catapults. The US F-35 has not been able to take off and land on CVN-78 to this day.

 

[maverick]

So you're in doubt right now of your stupid claim that we could get J-35 in Dec 2026, there is no OFFICIAL INTENTION THAT WE CAN GET J-35 IN DEC 2026

you Sir, with all due respect are one imbecile on this forum.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

you Sir, with all due respect are one imbecile on this forum.

I'm Imbecile or not its doesn’t matter, the matter is that you're claiming that j35 will arrive in PAF on Dec 2026 from few years but you're doubting your claim now that will j35 arrive in PAF on Dec 2026

And do explain me why need 5th gen jets so early? Will our enemy (India) has 5th gen jets before 2030? Think about it

 

[PakAl]

Why would you go for an inferior product and create it from scratch when the J-35 exists and the KAAN is going to be ready in mid 2030s?

Your proposal just creates complexity without any added benefit. Pakistan has neither the resources nor the time to indulge in such shenanigans. The PAF procurement culture has been characterized by wisdom, fortitude and exceptional intelligence. Long may it remain so!

I meant it as similar plan as Jf17s, China built it with paf in mind, our engineers worked aswell, we tried our best to buy French missiles and avionics but they rejected it, and then we went full Chinese, with Turkish pod and South Africa missile. It's just an option for Pakistan. No doubt J35 and Kaan are advance but we will not be allowed to use local missiles or anyone else. This is why Pfx is talked about, a 4.5th generation medium weight plane which will have mixture of Chinese Pakistani Turkish weaponary. Our engineers will gain experience, possibly will be using Pakistan build weapons etc.

 

[PakAl]

There is no chance of this happening. At least not in our lifetimes, it will never happen.

Before making such a guess, you should first understand the relationship and underlying logic between these countries.

Jf17 is built in China but with Turkish targeting pods and South Africa missile, if Turkey produced more advanced weaponary we would have purchased it, same way we tried to get missile radar from French but they rejected it. Pakistan is currently trying to build its own A2A missiles, you think China is not helping us or even Turkey.

 

[PakAl]

PLA showcased the J-35 on September 3rd, which has not only been produced but also entered service.The biggest enemy of PAF currently is PLAAF, as it needs to allocate production capacity with PLAAF.

Alert Alert software translation is not good.

 

[SolarWarden]

I don't think so.
F-35 is an average platform because of the B version. As a result all the models are fat.
Not to speak of the weapon system : not fully mature 20 years afer first flight. block 4 is, once again, late.

J-35 is a well born F-35 in fact.

Ok monsieur lets get down brass tacks no feelings and no fanboyism... How is the J-35 above average than the F-35? Details I want not hopium.