Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KP) Terrorism Watch

[arsalan345]

TTP has been living with tribes for many, many years. This is not a new development.

so release b-57 on all tribes. either tribes abandon them or we will send them to stone age. state comes first. how many funerals are planned for next week? we don't even know how many of our soldiers die each day for this country. for these namakharaams, we can't sacrifice our country.

 

[RescueRanger]

so release b-57 on all tribes.

If only it were that simple.

 

[Starlord]

TTP has been living with tribes for many, many years. This is not a new development.

Makes me wonder why? A question that cost us 100k lives and several hundreds billions in economy.

 

[Trigger]

No. Those who broke the pact were killed. So new leadership, new agreement and talk. Also, the same table with operation vs date vs outcome can be made.
BTW, is there any clean accountability who did what?

is there really a difference? at the end of the day they are terrorist. we should learn a thing or two from the chinese and set up re-educational camps to force these tribals to become loyal. i don't care if you destroy their ""identity"" or ""culture"". if 10 years of constant terrorism, instability etc can't teach them than maybe this will

 

[gamaji]

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The enemy will do everything and spread lies to fuel it to abet more terrorism.

 

[aurelianpilled]

KP govt condemns ‘civilian deaths in Tirah operation’, announces Rs10m each for victims’ families

So, apparently, it was indeed an airstrike... jets targeted four houses according to a 'senior police officer'... I am not an expert in this matter, but as far as I know, the ground forces are the ones who call for these strikes through JTAC/FAC-type of system or whatever we have equivalent to these and provide coordinates of that specific location depending on intel, and the air force just does its job once the command authority gives clearance for an airstrike...

The biggest issue here is that the public opinion will ALWAYS go against the ones who dropped the bombs -> people will abuse the air force, the incompetent senior command dalaal shills of the paramilitary/military/police are once again dragging the air force into their dirty work and level of incompetency apparently.

Edit: "A senior police officer in the town of Tirah told the AFP news agency that seven women and four children were among the 23 dead, without confirming who carried out the assault."

@Asfandyar Bhittani

 

[Goenitz]

is there really a difference? at the end of the day they are terrorist. we should learn a thing or two from the chinese and set up re-educational camps to force these tribals to become loyal. i don't care if you destroy their ""identity"" or ""culture"". if 10 years of constant terrorism, instability etc can't teach them than maybe this will

You can do the same for Fauji and Bureaucracy. It may be effective

Anyway, Pak does not have enough resources or a detailed plan for that. China has been homogenised with nearly the same values and language since 1600. Even then, it was not easy when Han replaced locals (backed by CCCP), and there was a huge global backlash.

Try this in Pak and see how many foreign agencies will rush to destabilise Pak.

Lastly, please consider a few pros and cons before suggesting these things.

 

[PakAl]

I am glad some of you are not our military advisors, thankfully they are sane people, who are working hard to win over the local people, this is the only way to win the war whilst striking hard against armed terrorists.

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[RescueRanger]

Makes me wonder why? A question that cost us 100k lives and several hundreds billions in economy.

Tribes do not recognise either Afghanistan nor Pakistan. They are autonomous by design - ever since the death of Ahmad Shah Durrani, these tribes have been living independently removed from rule or governance.


To the tribes of which there are hundreds and hundreds ranging from small sub clans, to main clans and dynastic families that can trace their roots back to the Kings and Khanates of yore.

These tribes often intermarry - marry outside the tribe to other stronger tribes to resolve disputes surrounding land, death, wealthy or power. To them the Durrand Line that separates Afghanistan and Pakistan is an invention of the British and they do not recognise it.

So you see, violence and force are not the answer, yes force should and will be used where necessary, but the first step is always engagement (not I say engagement) which is different from appeasement.

 

[Saifullah]

Look you either send in troops in IBOs in these areas which risk troops lives

Or you safeguard troops and just use heavier equipment to blow the enemy apart


If you want IBOs it's a slow process that will take many years of constant effort, overcoming not just the afghani scum but the local human trash

And will result in troops taking casualties because thats the nature of the operation


Or you can just blow up the terrorists and their sympathizers up

Whatever happens we need to push the Afghans out of the country, Pakistan needs to move forward as does the Muslim world and we can't endlessly waste time with these useless afghani people

Remember, you are fighting an insurgency inside your country.
If you don’t want to win hearts and minds of locals be prepared to be fight this insurgency for many more decades to come.

 

[Starlord]

Tribes do not recognise either Afghanistan nor Pakistan. They are autonomous by design - ever since the death of Ahmad Shah Durrani, these tribes have been living independently removed from rule or governance.

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To the tribes of which there are hundreds and hundreds ranging from small sub clans, to main clans and dynastic families that can trace their roots back to the Kings and Khanates of yore.

These tribes often intermarry - marry outside the tribe to other stronger tribes to resolve disputes surrounding land, death, wealthy or power. To them the Durrand Line that separates Afghanistan and Pakistan is an invention of the British and they do not recognise it.

So you see, violence and force are not the answer, yes force should and will be used where necessary, but the first step is always engagement (not I say engagement) which is different from appeasement.

I have a different theory but if I post it here than aap thread ban kerdo gay haha

 

[Goenitz]

Tribes do not recognise either Afghanistan nor Pakistan. They are autonomous by design - ever since the death of Ahmad Shah Durrani, these tribes have been living independently removed from rule or governance.

Pak mustn't have open border control. There can be visa or permit based entries. Lands should be demarcated and future transfer and other civilian matters must be solved through courts and government offices, not through jirga. Jirga should only be for peace or political activity.

Like the monkey shower experiment, the imaginary line will become a reality. However, the courts and govt offices mustn't be violated by the centre and agencies, so people's trust remains in the system.

Even the British just controlled borders and let Tribes live with their ways. Hence, this lifestyle will not go away easily.

 

[RescueRanger]

I have a different theory but if I post it here than aap thread ban kerdo gay haha

Sir theories are all fine no problem, but if you go on a rant again about how XYZ people are sub-human etc, etc, than I cannot in good conscience allow that. Furthermore we are discussing facts, not conspiracy theories - discussing conspiracy theories when it involves National Security is a very dangerous habit and a slippery slope.

Someone says X, someone says Y and before you know it, there is a Black Vigo parked outside your house.

 

[RescueRanger]

Pak mustn't have open border control. There can be visa or permit based entries. Lands should be demarcated and future transfer and other civilian matters must be solved through courts and government offices, not through jirga. Jirga should only be for peace or political activity.

Like the monkey shower experiment, the imaginary line will become a reality. However, the courts and govt offices mustn't be violated by the centre and agencies, so people's trust remains in the system.

Even the British just controlled borders and let Tribes live with their ways. Hence, this lifestyle will not go away easily.

Problem is the Jirga system is the only accepted method of mediation and dispute resolution for tribal communities - you can use the Shariah Court as an approach but most tribal communities do not recognise the English based legal system used in Pakistan.

What is needed is what I call the 4 E's of COIN:

• Engagement
• Education
• Encouragement
• Enforcement

Note the first three are heavily focused around dialogue and bridge building. Without concrete dialogue, there can be no last solution.

 

[Goenitz]

I always argue that Pashtuns and Balochis are like wolves (western POV). They need pressure or force to behave normally.

See, the Pashtun have been living in Punjab for centuries (who can speak perfect Urdu like Asghar Khan). They are not aggressive and follow laws because it makes sense to them.

Until then, just keep them under financial and political pressure while providing them with education and job opportunities. Our education budget is so low, and even that goes for ghost school construction and staffing.