Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KP) Terrorism Watch

[Starlord]

Sir theories are all fine no problem, but if you go on a rant again about how XYZ people are sub-human etc, etc, than I cannot in good conscience allow that. Furthermore we are discussing facts, not conspiracy theories - discussing conspiracy theories when it involves National Security is a very dangerous habit and a slippery slope.

Someone says X, someone says Y and before you know it, there is a Black Vigo parked outside your house.

Yours is a theory too but not a Fact, but there is no point in putting it here as you pretty much knows my position on people of KPK/Balochistan, but I do know one thing for a FACT that we will never see complete Peace in Pakistan EVER, and you can pin this message to later quote me but things are not going to change and even if they change it will be temporary.
If there is a Vigo Park outside my Apartment in Tampa, I would think its some horn* couple having fun time with car running with dark tinted windows.

 

[hussain0216]

Remember, you are fighting an insurgency inside your country.
If you don’t want to win hearts and minds of locals be prepared to be fight this insurgency for many more decades to come.

Fcuk it, let's fight it

I will say once again, Pakistan is VITAL for the future of the Muslim world

The namak harams afghans are worthless for both us and the future of the Muslim world

Everything has been done to try to calm these useless jahils down, we sent jirgas and local idiot politicians from ANP and JUI and other lannat

Anywhere else mothers and fathers teach their children values and morals,, these animals seem to be savages


Get them out of the country, Pakistani policy has been exceptional of late, we have started to corner India

The hindutva scum are as bad as the Zionists

We can't waste time on these worthless Afghan shits forever

 

[Goenitz]

Problem is the Jirga system is the only accepted method of mediation and dispute resolution for tribal communities - you can use the Shariah Court as an approach but most tribal communities do not recognise the English based legal system used in Pakistan.

Not a good reference, but Imam Abu Habifa and Bukhari etc, never used govt patronage. In that era, Khalifas turned kings realised that and 'nationalised' the madrassa system. All upcoming mullahs then became mouthpieces of the government (still they are, but now the standard is very low). Something similar is required here. People in a jirga can be given some official status, pay, but no execution authority

Islamabad rule over Khuzdar is only possible if locals accept/obey the police and courts as the authority. If daily matters are held by jirgas, then only they rule. Army operations just reset the system for a while.

 

[Watandar]

I always argue that Pashtuns and Balochis are like wolves (western POV). They need pressure or force to behave normally.

See, the Pashtun have been living in Punjab for centuries (who can speak perfect Urdu like Asghar Khan). They are not aggressive and follow laws because it makes sense to them.

Until then, just keep them under financial and political pressure while providing them with education and job opportunities. Our education budget is so low, and even that goes for ghost school construction and staffing.

Pashtun or Baloch are not "wolves" or "martial race". They are neither born fighters nor naturally aggressive. To describe them as such is colonial propaganda that endures to this day. Pashtun and Baloch only want rights, jobs and normal life.

The people of tribal areas and KPK have paid a very heavy price in last 25 years from repeated heavy handed ops. Even after paying the price, they feel betrayed by GHQ which keeps sleeping with these terrorists and wont give up "Bad Taliban Good Taliban".

To me, Gen Tariq Khan and Raheel Shareef are the heroes who cleaned up the place 2008 to 2012, and Pakistan enjoyed peace for some years. But then Bajwa and Faiz Hameed brought back so many of these same terrorists from Afghanistan. They repeated what Musharraf and Mahmud Ahmed had done after 2001. So now nobody trusts the faujis and considers both the fauj and Taliban a curse.

After almost 50 years of dirty games, the common view in KPK and Baluchistan is that the fauji by day is Taliban/BLA at night. That's how deteriorated the situation is now. And shooting and airstrikes will not solve it, only trust and purity will. GHQ must dump this addiction to jehadis and proxies.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Yes, collateral damage is regretted. But, don't the innocent folks and soldiers these terrorists kill have families and kids too? And, don't they have any rights? If there're no other way to eliminate terrorism, states do absorb collateral damage....

 

[PakAl]

Deeply researched documtary on militancy in tribal areas 17 years ago, most of the senior members on here were youth back then, same as me. Will only post 3 parts and you can watch the rest if interested. The Pakistan military commander on charge is intelligent man, he knows exactly how they brainwash people, how they declare army as kafirs, mushriks etc. Goldmine for the young generation, the militants had miles of underground tunnels.

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[Goenitz]

Pashtun or Baloch are not "wolves" or "martial race". They are neither born fighters nor naturally aggressive. To describe them as such is colonial propaganda that endures to this day. Pashtun and Baloch only want rights, jobs and normal life.

Agree with the rest.
Naturally, the tough life of tribal people makes them tough, persuasive and dominating. It is true for older Arabs, Mongols and our tribal Pashtuns.

It was not a colonial but a social psychology reference that wolves live in a pack, guard their territory, fight any invader, follow their alpha, etc. These people need time and effort to isolate themselves from their tribal norms.

I meant nothing derogatory, but stating how we should deal with them. A mother can have 5 children (GB included), and all need different parenting techniques.

P.S I said Western POV as wolf is praised here, while in our culture it is considered a monster.

 

[Goenitz]

@Watandar
shared it many times, but please watch at x2 speed

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@RescueRanger

Just saying that when tribes refused to pay Zakat, our first Caliph waged war not just because tribes broke Islam 2nd commandment but also because they refused to accept govt authority by refusing to pay it.

Therefore, Jirga's role should be limited. All governance matters, border, civil laws, land and punishment must come from courts.

 

[PakAl]

Problem is the Jirga system is the only accepted method of mediation and dispute resolution for tribal communities - you can use the Shariah Court as an approach but most tribal communities do not recognise the English based legal system used in Pakistan.

What is needed is what I call the 4 E's of COIN:

• Engagement
• Education
• Encouragement
• Enforcement

Note the first three are heavily focused around dialogue and bridge building. Without concrete dialogue, there can be no last solution.

Is it not better to keep the Jirga system, tell the tribal people we are with you and and we respect your traditions, your traditions are part of Pakistan culture. But try to make reforms, for example they cannot make decisions on serious crimes or some local judge must be sitting in the jirga. In AJK we have Panjaet system, alot of local issues are resolved by this system and don't involve the police, although Panjaeti are sellouts lol, they support the powerful v the weak but police are worse, they will demand lakhs from both sides. The major issue is exploitation by the powerful, they use courts, police to loot money from you, i can tell you stories you will be shocked.

In some India rural areas Panchayat system is active in local government system.

 

[aurelianpilled]

Fcuk it, let's fight it

I will say once again, Pakistan is VITAL for the future of the Muslim world

The namak harams afghans are worthless for both us and the future of the Muslim world

Everything has been done to try to calm these useless jahils down, we sent jirgas and local idiot politicians from ANP and JUI and other lannat

Anywhere else mothers and fathers teach their children values and morals,, these animals seem to be savages


Get them out of the country, Pakistani policy has been exceptional of late, we have started to corner India

The hindutva scum are as bad as the Zionists

We can't waste time on these worthless Afghan shits forever

Bro, I seriously don't care if we bomb the Afghandus into oblivion, but we MUST avoid this type of major collateral damage within our boundaries. This question of "winning the locals' hearts" has been in action since ancient times. Alexander did it in Persia, Bactria, the Indus, etc.; Hannibal did this during the Punic Wars by winning first the Iberian locals, then the Gallic tribes, and then the Southern Italians themselves by not wiping out the entire villages or punishing the Southern Italians for siding with Rome. Caesar, Augustus, Aurelian, Majorian, Belisarius, Hz. Khalid (RA), and the list goes on!

We have to capitalize on this and not just blow up random villages and houses blindly or on weak intel.

 

[RescueRanger]

@RescueRanger

Just saying that when tribes refused to pay Zakat, our first Caliph waged war not just because tribes broke Islam 2nd commandment but also because they refused to accept govt authority.

Therefore, Jirga's role should be limited. Border, civil laws, land and punishment must come from courts.

You and I can both agree but making these people understand is a whole different ball game. A lot of people on PDF have little or no interaction with these people.

Allow me to tell you a short story - during the 2005 earthquake we were helping escort a British Rescue Team in Bagh and has been sent to an extremely remote village near Arhanga.


Helicopter flight out of Chaklala / Nur Khan AFB.

A quick stopover at Muzaffarabad Stadium to drop supplies

Scenes of devastation as far as the eye could see...

Arrival at makeshift field hospital - where international and Pakistani rescue/army personnel were assisting some 10,000 transient patients with varying degrees of complex needs and pathology.

During this time an argument broke out due to a cultural misunderstanding as the local men would not allow male doctors to treat the injured females in the community - after smoothing out the issue with the local chieftain - we agreed that a female doctor you can see in the photo Above named Lucy would deal with the women.

Lucy got to work and with the assistance of a few local women was able to triage some of the more serious cases for medivac to Muzaffarabad - now came the second hurdle - the men would not allow their women to travel to the field hospital in Muzaffarabad which was far better equipped without a male chaperon - space on the helicopters was finite at best - it's not exactly Pindi Coaches ...

This was another hurdle that we had to delicately navigate and come to a compromise that worked for both parties.

By the evening - we made sure all the patients and the Brits were safely packed up and on their way back to Muzaffarabad before last light. 18 of us local volunteers remained behind in Bagh to assist with the field hospital.

It was at this time I was introduced to the local Khan, who enquired if we would be willing to join them for evening prayers - we all sat down with them and said namaz, he thanked us and also said, thank the foreigners who came to help our boys.

I remember he invited us back to his tent for a humble meal - where he had a AK47 and a lot nearby. And he simply remarked - you know, we are simple folk - all my possessions are in this room, this lota and this AK47.

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The point behind this story - is that we are NO ONE to judge how others choose to live their lives according to their customs and traditions - so long as they do not infringe on the wider freedoms and peaceful lives of the nation at large.

 

[Abdul q]

I have lost count of how many times tirah valley will be under such situation… operation every regime, every year

 

[RescueRanger]

@RescueRanger

Just saying that when tribes refused to pay Zakat, our first Caliph waged war not just because tribes broke Islam 2nd commandment but also because they refused to accept govt authority by refusing to pay it.

Therefore, Jirga's role should be limited. All governance matters, border, civil laws, land and punishment must come from courts.

Jani i agree with you, I am not a fan of Jirga but you know just as Punjabis use red wedding dresses for female which is a pagan tradition - the Jirga is just one such communal - tradition that these old guards refuse to let go.

Which is why it is more important now than ever - to engage with the youth- get them whilst they are young - lay the foundation for change that we will enjoy if not today than in the next 10 years and change that will last for many, many years to come.

 

[RescueRanger]

If there is a Vigo Park outside my Apartment in Tampa,

You sit in America and relax. Okay ...