TF-X / KAAN / Hürjet Turkish Fighter & Trainer Aircrafts News & Discussions

[hodor]

Ther will be no Chinese engine and no Ukraine engine, why are you people talking like this is a bag patatoes level business?

I used to think like you, but I realized there’s no point in waiting for an engine from the U.S. They’re just stalling us, they will never give us engine.

 

[Oublious]

I used to think like you, but I realized there’s no point in waiting for an engine from the U.S. They’re just stalling us, they will never give us engine.

First drink a cold water, and accept the facts they do not want to sell it. And the last way is TF35000 all our energy and focus. Thats the only way i see.

 

[hyperman]

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I had suspected this might happen, but not to worry friends. The amount of engines needed for prototypes and testing are already inside Turkey.

Though this will affect mass production in 2028 if the issue isn't resolved. Lets see how it plays out. There are contingencies in place with an unnamed country which had agreed to supply engines, so this delay if it does happen will be from 2028 to 2030. As it will take about 1-2 to certify the jet with a new engine.

China has a plethora of engines and if needed even Russia will be looked at. These morons in Congress can only delay not stop the inevitable.

 

[JamD]

First drink a cold water, and accept the facts they do not want to sell it. And the last way is TF35000 all our energy and focus. Thats the only way i see.

If I know anything about the priority being given to Kaan and it's engine then I am reasonably confident tf35000 will come to fruition. For my Pakistani friends, imagine the urgency we had with the nuclear program - it is the same kind of national buy in. The Turks will eat grass to make Kaan successful. It is likely that I have biases but I'm just describing what I've seen in my opinion. It won't be easy. But the buy in is crazy.

 

[iblini]

Nothing is certain from the orange man, thing changes not in months but days.

 

[A1Kaid]

I thought KAAN was 100% domestic but turns out Turkiye was relying on US made engines at least for many years to come.

Worst of all Indonesia put an order for 100.

It’s amazing to me how Turkiye being in NATO still lacks a 4.5 gen aircraft—the country is vulnerable.

 

[hyperman]

I thought KAAN was 100% domestic but turns out Turkiye was relying on US made engines at least for many years to come.

Worst of all Indonesia put an order for 100.

It’s amazing to me how Turkiye being in NATO still lacks a 4.5 gen aircraft—the country is vulnerable.

Indonesia put an order for when the Turkish engine is ready.

Turkey's Ozgur 2 F-16s will be with AESA and are 4.5 gen.

 

[Watandar]

How much will a KAAN jet cost?

 

[hyperman]

How much will a KAAN jet cost?

$100+ each.

 

[royalharris]

Chinese ws10C engine will be suitable for Kaan, China most likely will sell it aswell, it's old technology aswell. To buy the newest Ws15 engine will be difficult.

Forget about it, china will not sell it, except Turkey provide proposal china can't reject

WS10C is very developed technology, better than Europe and Russia.China will not export it easily.

 

[A1Kaid]

How did Erdogan agree to such deals without assurance for the KAAN engine.

 

[RajaBaja]

Focus on TF35000, ther is nothing more left. Put all the money and resources to that. Buyinh a Chinese engine is not a resolve. Beside that will the Chinese sell the engine and will it fit?

And i think ther is a price tag, no engines no nuclear and boeing deal.

You should put your resources in that's fine. We all want to see Turkiye build KAAN. But for engine issue, you can't delay KAAN for another 10 years. It'll become old technology as the top of the spear will be 6th gen and 7th in testing.

So buy Chinese engines customized per your dimensions for the first batch. Deliver this batch on time and hopefully by then you'd have TF35000 ready too. Play smart. Not hard.

Forget about it, china will not sell it, except Turkey provide proposal china can't reject

WS10C is very developed technology, better than Europe and Russia.China will not export it easily.

If you don't think China will not sell it, you don't understand Pakistan's pull with China. Let Pakistan help you get it from the Chinese.

 

[royalharris]

If you don't think China will not sell it, you don't understand Pakistan's pull with China. Let Pakistan help you get it from the Chinese.

you can ask Pakistan, let them have a try

Pakistan had better get j35 at first

remember:don't overestimate your country

 

[MMM-E]

USA blocked sale of UCAVs to Turkiye
and Turkiye was become Drone super power in the world with its UCAVs TB-2/3, ANKA , AKSUNGUR , AKINCI , KIZILELMA , ANKA-3

USA blocked sale of PATRIOT to Turkiye
Turkiye was become 3rd country in NATO with its own layered Air Defense Systems KORKUT , SUNGUR , GURZ , GOKDEMIR , HISAR-A/O and SIPER


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Sooner or later Turkiye will finish the KAAN with TF-35.000 Engine

but we needs minimum 7 years

This is a struggle for independence And of course it takes years , we will continue to fight with determination and reach the final goal.

Only USA and China ( WS-15 ) did it in the World
also Russia is coming with 37.500 lbf AL-51F1 turbofan Engine

Turkiye will be the 4th Country in the world with TF-35.000 engine

 

[Harbyharb]

You should put your resources in that's fine. We all want to see Turkiye build KAAN. But for engine issue, you can't delay KAAN for another 10 years. It'll become old technology as the top of the spear will be 6th gen and 7th in testing.

So buy Chinese engines customized per your dimensions for the first batch. Deliver this batch on time and hopefully by then you'd have TF35000 ready too. Play smart. Not hard.

What turkey should consider is procuring and reverse-engineering the AL-31 series. F110 and WS-10 both have their gas generator design based off of CFM56, which time and again have proved difficult to master technologically with examples from Japan, Iran, and China, requiring mono-crystal fan blades and thus related metallurgy, heat treatment, and NDT technology. The immensely troubled WS-10 development history should serve as a warning instead of an example, and the Russia solution of having an engine of comparable performance, adopting simpler designs and less demanding components at the expense of engine life is more reasonable from the perspective of establishing operational capacity as quickly as possible.

If you don't think China will not sell it, you don't understand Pakistan's pull with China. Let Pakistan help you get it from the Chinese.

If you think China will sell the WS-10 for Kaan, an competitor product in a similar niche by a regional power aspiring to be an independent security provider and industrial competitor, long considered an expansionist threat by traditional gulf country energy exporter allies, and that Pakistan somehow have enough sway with the Chinese regarding important geopolitical decisions, I think you may have made a mistake somewhere.