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[Shafagh]

Don't be a smartass. We need everything we can get. Iran doesnt have luxury to complain we dont have sukhois.

Ouff. A mig29, Trump and Netanyahu are pissing themselves

 

[MS Sandhu]

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- Failed against Iranian Fateh-313(BM) + Shahed 136
- Failed against Indo-Russian P-800 Oniks/Brahmos (CM) + Israeli Harpy

3 domains of intercept failure i.e. Ballistic, Cruise, Loitering.

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Guys, has IIAF/IRIAF operated its own SAM system of any type ever?

HQ 9 is quite good for Area denial to fighter jets.
But against BM & Supersonic cruise missiles, it's not really designed to intercept them.
It's a big legacy missile design ,needs lot of time to get up and set up.
Against SCM and BMs, you don't have that much time.
So yes it failed against BM & Supersonic cruise missiles.

 

[kastor ville]

HQ 9 is quite good for Area denial to fighter jets.
But against BM & Supersonic cruise missiles, it's not really designed to intercept them.
It's a big legacy missile design ,needs lot of time to get up and set up.
Against SCM and BMs, you don't have that much time.
So yes it failed against BM & Supersonic cruise missiles.

So knowing they're using ALBM, what's the effective system to use against that?

 

[Nevsky]

Ouff. A mig29, Trump and Netanyahu are pissing themselves

Nothing will make them pissing tbh. Even 200 Su-35 or whatever SAM you plan to buy. The only thing that scares them are the nuclear weapons. The only reason that is stopping US to bomb Moscow like they did with Belgrade is the fact that we have nuclear weapons.

 

[Hack-Hook]

When IRIAF could easily see that government would fail to purchase anything in "Multi-Role Air-Superiority" from Russia or China they should have focused on reviving the F-14A fleet at all costs. In fact F-14AM program started under this pretext some 12-15 years ago to create an SU-35S out of an F-14A.

An extensive MLU+Upgradation to an Full Mission Capable F-14AM (Digital AWG-9, Azarakhsh HOBS WVR, Fakour/Maghsoud BVR, Datalink) would have costed 20 Million USD. A fleet of 42-44 such aircrafts would barely cost 1 Billion USD. In return they would make sure IAF would not be lobbing ALBMs from Iraq into Iran. Even a fully armed MIG-29M cant do that.




For Advanced Combat Training, CAS, CAP, Anti-Drone/UCAV, Anti Cruise Missile, Point Defence within IADS, yes A fleet of 120-150 Kowsars should have existed. They would have secured cities inside Iran and created crop of fully trained modern fighter Pilots.

But they are too under powered or small to do anything above Persian Gulf or Iraq. There you need powerful MRCAs like F-15E, SU-35S or 4.5 generation low RCS fighters like EF-2000 T4 atleast.

That would be stopgap
Later they can built a kowsar 2 to answer those problems step by step. Gripped e, or f16 block 70+ or j10c didn't become what they are now over a night
By the way f14 unless its equipped with aesa radar is useless against modern aircrafts and is only limited to fighting drones and Cruise missiles

 

[BigMela2onin]

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Russia is not a reliable partner, it is not unlikely that deliveries will not occur in the time frame specified, or that it will be too late.

 

[Persian Gulf]

CONFIRMED: Iran orders 48 su-35 jets in c. $2.5-3 billion deal, to be delivered 2026-2028

order includes 24 electronic warfare pods and various other ECM pods/equipment

no reference to AAMs, those might be procured from a separate company than the leaked document

 

[Navigator]

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Confirmed Iran bought Su-35s and they were not delivered while Algeria received theirs, so production is not the issue. Russia is not a reliable partner. Money should have been spent on J-10C instead.

Judging by the document, there, in general, everything goes as originally was agreed beetwen Iran and Russia. Acc to contract, the electronic equipment for assembly the Iranian Su-35 should be delivered to assembly plant in period between 16-18 and 46-48 months after the 15% advance payment. I.e. If Iran paid somewhere in 2022, then the equipment for assembling the Su-35 should be delivered to the plant for assembly at best in 2024-26 + It takes time for the assembly of aircraft, their tests, etc. Accordingly, the delivery somewhere in 2026-28 as it's written in X post.

 

[Persian Gulf]

although this price apparently does not include AAMs, $3 billion for 48 SU-35 jets is a good price compared to what our neighbours pay for comparable Western jets.

Qatar paid the UK £5 billion ($6.7 billion) for only 24 Eurofighter Typhoon jets

Saudi Arabia paid the US $30 billion (!) for 84 F-15 jets (+ upgrades to existing jets)

Israel paid the US $5 billion for 25 F-15 jets

Egypt paid China $4 billion for 48 J-10C jets

@ShapurII

 

[BigMela2onin]

Judging by the document, there, in general, everything goes as originally was agreed beetwen Iran and Russia. Acc to contract, the electronic equipment for assembly the Iranian Su-35 should be delivered to assembly plant in period between 16-18 and 46-48 months after the 15% advance payment. I.e. If Iran paid somewhere in 2022, then the equipment for assembling the Su-35 should be delivered to the plant for assembly at best in 2024-26 + It takes time for the assembly of aircraft, their tests, etc. Accordingly, the delivery somewhere in 2026-28 as it's written in X post.

Sure but there is a non-insignificant chance that Russia cites UN sanctions as a reason not to deliver them, as it did with S-300s and post-USSR aircraft deliveries.

 

[ShapurII]

although this price apparently does not include AAMs, it is a good price compared to what our neighbours pay for comparable Western jets.

Qatar paid the UK £5 billion ($6.7 billion) for only 24 Eurofighter Typhoon jets

Saudi Arabia paid the US $30 billion (!) for 84 F-15 jets

@ShapurII

I don't think the price should be our main concern now, particularly concerning our situation.
As long as Russia honors the contract, I will be more than happy but I still don't trust the Russians. I don't think they would deliver anything any time soon.
I mean Putin literally said that Russia-Israel relations were based on mutual trust and Russia would never do anything to harm Israel. Israel is an "almost Russian speaking" country after all, according to him.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Sure but there is a non-insignificant chance that Russia cites UN sanctions as a reason not to deliver them, as it did with S-300s and post-USSR aircraft deliveries.

Russia has said it doesn't recognise those UNSC sanctions. things are different now.

it seems Iran paid an advance payment of around EUR 590 million already. which is actually a very small amount of money for these kinds of contracts.

 

[Persian Gulf]

I don't think the price should be our main concern now, particularly concerning our situation.
As long as Russia honors the contract, I will be more than happy but I still don't trust the Russians. I don't think they would deliver anything any time soon.
I mean Putin literally said that Russia-Israel relations were based on mutual trust and Russia would never do anything to harm Israel. Israel is an "almost Russian speaking" country after all, according to him.

we know they have delivered Yak-130 training jets, and they continue to deliver more Yak-130 in recent weeks. and Iranian pilots have been in Russia for training for several years. 2026-28 timeline for delivery of su-35 makes sense.

but sure, I understand your concerns, they are well founded. Russia has a history of reneging its promises. but they also did deliver s-300pmu2 in the end and we also missed some good opportunities to buy better equipment after fall of Soviet Union.

 

[Navigator]

Sure but there is a non-insignificant chance that Russia cites UN sanctions as a reason not to deliver them, as it did with S-300s and post-USSR aircraft deliveries.

At least now Russia repeatedly clearly officialy stated , that doesn't recognize any return of UN sanctions and therefore doesn't recognize any obligations from it.

 

[Immortals]

Russia has said it doesn't recognise those UNSC sanctions. things are different now.

When have I heard this before?