Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion


AK630 will be procured and deployed at the border by India under the Sudarshan Chakra project.

It's Soviet era tech but against drones it's perfect. Cheap bullets and can be made in masse.
You want to say "AK 630 hota to natija kuch aur hota"
 

AK630 will be procured and deployed at the border by India under the Sudarshan Chakra project.

It's Soviet era tech but against drones it's perfect. Cheap bullets and can be made in masse.


why this 'extreme' sudden realization only after May 2025?!!!


as if, one was sleeping!
 
You want to say "AK 630 hota to natija kuch aur hota"
Nope it's just a cog in the machine. There is no wonder weapon to rule them all, as long it fulfills its purpose that's money well spent.
 
why this 'extreme' sudden realization only after May 2025?!!!


as if, one was sleeping!
Experience is the most valuable asset. Prior to this conflict India did modify its L70 to be used as drone killers. Drones and UAV are not new tech, they've been here since decades but the Russo-Ukrainian war shows how effective they are. Indian army is very bloated they move at modernisation at a snails pace, so even if they take losses it's always great if they learn from it.

Layered AD is not a new thing either it's just that it's prioritised as a national defence strategy now.
 
AK630 will be procured and deployed at the border by India under the Sudarshan Chakra project.

It's Soviet era tech but against drones it's perfect. Cheap bullets and can be made in masse.
Beta..., pehlay ye batao kay een 4 ka kya bunna ...

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A 4-Day conflict took place between Two Nuclear Nations over 4 men.

What became of them?

Drones maarnay ke batey choudtay ho. 4-admi nahe pakrey gaey. Kis kism ke nalaiq Fauj hai India kay pass?
 
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There are many posters who have been claiming that Pakistan displayed restraint.
It is not a wrong statement, because had there been not restraint, ballistic missiles may have been flying across with involvement of army as well as the navy.
But, this statement is being made as if the restraint was displayed from a position of strength. That is where this observation is wrong.
Restraint was displayed by India too. The reasons are same as written above.
When the claims of so called restraint are made, both the defence forces were firing a certain types of weapons to show resolve and capability without making it too big to avoid escalation.
Pakistan was primarily firing barrages of Fatah, artillery and limited CM400 against high value targets. India was firing Brahmos, Scalp and few other precision long range weapons.
That is when a cessation of operations happened.

How effective were the strikes by Pakistan?
The answer is -pretty ineffective.
There are claims against S400 and a C2 centre. The damage is claimed on the basis of contradictory statements by defence chiefs.

A S400 transmitter is bound to be picked up by sensors from, across and the deployment philosophy is bound to be based on this fact. Whether, it moved away by the time strike came in or it was addressed by AD is a moot point.

Fatah was the primary weapon and apart from smoke rising from the IAF bases there is nothing else to show for its success. Whether they were addressed by IAF AD or they were inherently inaccurate can’t be the basis of their success. They failed to cause detectable damage to any Indian assets at any place. It’s a Pak failure and not display of restraint.

It was Pakistan’s job to test the Indian AD and punch holes in it by striking targets with proof and showing that Indian AD is as bad as theirs. If Indian AD wasn’t tested to it’s limits isn’t Indian fault.

So the claims of restraint by Pakistan aren’t from a position of strength but from a position where it was at the receiving end of pin point accurate Indian strikes.

Pakistan was in a position where its main weapon of choice was found severely lacking in impact. Pakistan failed to identify this and make any changes while India did exactly that after pounding they got on 07 May.

True sense of restraint was visible from Indian side. Side that was striking across entire Pakistan at will and accurately. It had the option of increasing the scale of same weapons and strike many more places or saturate few high value targets and cause much more damage. But it didn’t.

However, it decided to carry out symbolic strikes all across to drive home the point and displayed true sense of restraint.
Selective truth and selective arguments may give you some peace but it won't fly here mister.
All Indians come here asking for proof but the proof which was lying on there side and shown on their TV channels is forgotten when you come to argue.
When your bases are shown up in smoke that's just a typical Indian burning trash nothing to see here.
Go have a peg of desi and last thing it will always be 7-0 plus shivangi plus s400 plus your bases and command and control centres
 
Beta..., pehlay ye batao kay een 4 ka kya bunna ...


A 4-Day conflict took place between Two Nuclear Nations over 4 men.

What became of them?

Drones maarnay ke batey choudtay ho. 4-admi nahe pakrey gaey. Kis kism ke nalaiq Fauj hai India kay pass?
Whatboutery?

Ispe to discussion chal hi nhi rhi hai. The stand of both sides is clear on this just like any other attack on either party.

I won't trust your government agencies you won't trust mine. To fir ispe discussion ka kya fayda?

Proxy warfare koi naayi cheez nhi hai in the subcontinent or either in this world's history.

Mumbai attack me to evidence bhi tha kya ki pakistan involved tha, kya pakistan wo maana tha?

Kya hua nhi hua wo discuss karna politicians, social media and government agencies ka kaam hai. Ab jo end result wo discuss karo.

Nhi to chicken and egg waale cycle me fase rah jaaoge.
 
Why did India launch a barrage of Brahmos to strike Pakistan’s military installations after they had “successfully” targeted the “terrorist camps” and that Operation Sindoor was a such great success for them. Why such a big reaction after 2 days of a successful operation? Your whole point of “India showed restraint from a position of strength” is void. The whole point of operation sindoor was to target “terrorrists” only and not Pakistan Military yet they did. Why?? What happened in those 2 days? I’ll tell you why. PAF gave you the spanking of your life which you will not forget so easily. After being caught off guard and losing face in the air, you didn’t want to risk another direct fight. Instead firing long range missiles from a safe distance just to save face and show some kind of strength after getting pushed back.
How is that a position of strenght.

There is much more to it. You missed out few of those. It was not as plain and simple as deduced by you.

When India launched Sindoor on 7th May, it lost few fighters. You are bang on correct in this regard. But wrong after that and have got the sequence of events a little mixed up.

After launching strikes and even after loosing aircraft, Indian DGMO wanted to talk to Pak DGMO and offer no more escalation. The premise - We attacked few non-military targets and that has been achieved and we don’t seek any more escalation. Did this offer work? NO.

Pakistan inspite of shooting down few fighters and having a huge narrative advantage gave a response, “At time and place of our choosing”.

Knowing that things would escalate further, BOTH sides got into drone warfare on 08-09 May. AIM- To neutralise each other’s eyes and ears, meaning radars etc for any further operations.

Then Pakistan announced BuM on 9th night.
How did BuM go? Did it really give any thing big to talk about? Nothing. Nada.

Why did India launch standoff weapons from long range? Because the threat of PL-15 was a very strong threat. You are right.

Dear, there is no bravado in getting into the firing range of PL-15. In a war you plan to achieve your aim with minimal losses. You choose your weapons accordingly.

That is what India did and pummelled your bases from north to south, with precision and engaged limited number of targets at each base that was attacked. To show its capability to strike deep, strike at will and strike with accuracy. All the points were driven home without any doubt and ample evidence. Why limited number of targets? To keep it non-escalatory. Imagine if too much damage was caused and too many lives lost. Other side would be forced to escalate.

Did BuM achieve any results to boast about? Not to an analyst who talks with evidence. Nothing to show except tall claims and talk.

Considering that Pak had the option of ceasefire on 7th but decided to not take it and launch BuM, which turned out to be a dud, what did Pakistan gain after 7th May? The first day when it had already done wonderful from own perspective. Indian fighters destroyed without loosing any military assets. It was very very good optics.

Very few people are ready to discuss and talk about that.
 
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There is much more to it. You missed out few of those. It was not as plain and simple as deduced by you.

When India launched Sindoor on 7th May, it lost few fighters. You are bang on correct in this regard. But wrong after that and have got the sequence of events a little mixed up.

After launching strikes and even after loosing aircraft, Indian DGMO wanted to talk to Pak DGMO and offer no more escalation. The premise - We attacked few non-military targets and that has been achieved and we don’t seek any more escalation. Did this offer work? NO.

Pakistan inspite of shooting down few fighters and having a huge narrative advantage gave a response, “At time and place of our choosing”.

Knowing that things would escalate further, BOTH sides got into drone warfare on 08-09 May. AIM- To neutralise each other’s eyes and ears, meaning radars etc for any further operations.

Then Pakistan announced BuM on 9th night.
How did BuM go? Did it really give any thing big to talk about? Nothing. Nada.

Why did India launch standoff weapons from long range? Because the threat of PL-15 was a very strong threat. You are right.
Dear, there is no bravado in getting into the firing range of PL-15. In a war you plan to achieve your aim with minimal losses. You choose your weapons accordingly.

That is what India did and pummelled your bases from north to south, with precision and limited number of targets at each base. To show its capability to strike deep, strike at will and strike with accuracy. All the points were driven home without any doubt and ample evidence.

Did BuM achieve any results to boast about? Not to an analyst who talks with evidence. Nothing to show except tall claims and talk.
Considering that Pak had the option of ceasefire on 7th but decided to not take it and launch BuM, which turned out to be a dud, what did Pakistan gain after 7th May? The first day when it had already done wonderful from own perspective. Indian fighters destroyed without loosing any military assets. It was very very good optics.

Very few people are ready to discuss and talk about that.
BUM made you rush for ceasefire and who had an upper hand the one using the best of its weapon or the one using third choice .
Bases pummeled! You think an airbase is like s400 one hit and it's non operational?
 
There is much more to it. You missed out few of those. It was not as plain and simple as deduced by you.

When India launched Sindoor on 7th May, it lost few fighters. You are bang on correct in this regard. But wrong after that and have got the sequence of events a little mixed up.

After launching strikes and even after loosing aircraft, Indian DGMO wanted to talk to Pak DGMO and offer no more escalation. The premise - We attacked few non-military targets and that has been achieved and we don’t seek any more escalation. Did this offer work? NO.

Pakistan inspite of shooting down few fighters and having a huge narrative advantage gave a response, “At time and place of our choosing”.

Knowing that things would escalate further, BOTH sides got into drone warfare on 08-09 May. AIM- To neutralise each other’s eyes and ears, meaning radars etc for any further operations.

Then Pakistan announced BuM on 9th night.
How did BuM go? Did it really give any thing big to talk about? Nothing. Nada.

Why did India launch standoff weapons from long range? Because the threat of PL-15 was a very strong threat. You are right.
Dear, there is no bravado in getting into the firing range of PL-15. In a war you plan to achieve your aim with minimal losses. You choose your weapons accordingly.

That is what India did and pummelled your bases from north to south, with precision and limited number of targets at each base. To show its capability to strike deep, strike at will and strike with accuracy. All the points were driven home without any doubt and ample evidence.

Did BuM achieve any results to boast about? Not to an analyst who talks with evidence. Nothing to show except tall claims and talk.
Considering that Pak had the option of ceasefire on 7th but decided to not take it and launch BuM, which turned out to be a dud, what did Pakistan gain after 7th May? The first day when it had already done wonderful from own perspective. Indian fighters destroyed without loosing any military assets. It was very very good optics.

Very few people are ready to discuss and talk about that.



it seems, Trump (who gets updates from CIA) never had this info.!

only you do!


well frog!
 
BUM made you rush for ceasefire and who had an upper hand the one using the best of its weapon or the one using third choice

No point in arguing regarding who rushed for ceasefire. Because both sides have made claims and counter claims. I think that it was the middle path for both.

The fact is that both sides had political/military leaders who didn’t want any more escalation. When the mediators from friendly countries came in, both sides accepted it. These sane heads on both sides knew that any more escalation can be Bad. So neither I claim that Pakistan rushed for a ceasefire nor I accept that India rushed for it. It was negotiated by friendly countries and both accepted it.

Bases pummeled! You think an airbase is like s400 one hit and it's non operational?
I never claimed that any Pak airbase was destroyed. It is only kids who make such claims.

3 or 4 missiles can’t destroy a base. They are designed to remain operational even in much bigger attacks. As I said, the aim was not to cause excessive damage. That’s why 11 bases were attacked, carefully choosing targets to show the capability to strike accurately but not to cause excessive damage. India has a massive stockpile of BrahMos and could have easily fired 200 of them instead of 40-50. But the aim was not to cause massive damage and force the enemy to climb the escalation ladder.
My assumption is that all the PAF bases were operational all through with minor interruptions.
 
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No point in arguing regarding who rushed for ceasefire. Because both sides have made claims and counter claims. I think that it was the middle path for both.

The fact is that both sides had political/military leaders who didn’t want any more escalation. When the mediators from friendly countries came in, both sides accepted it. These sane heads on both sides knew that any more escalation can be Bad. So neither I claim that Pakistan rushed for a ceasefire nor I accept that India rushed for it. It was negotiated by friendly counties and both accepted it.


I never claimed that any Pak airbase was destroyed. It is only kids who make such claims.

3 or 4 missiles can’t destroy a base. They are designed to remain operational even in much bigger attacks. As I said, the aim was not to cause excessive damage. That’s why 11 bases were attacked, carefully choosing targets to show the capability to strike accurately but not to cause excessive damage. India has a massive stockpile of BrahMos and could have easily fired 200 of them instead of 40-50. But the aim was not to cause massive damage and force the enemy to climb the escalation ladder.
My assumption is that all the PAF bases were operational all through with minor interruptions.
So then you tell me what your side achieved it seems to me you are very agreeable with Pakistani narrative at the moment
 

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