Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ShapurII]

You shouldn't be, genocide is now an acceptable thing. Iranians will soon be the next genocide target of the jew menace.

Genocide was an acceptable thing before as well.

You know who did commit genocide against Iranians? Saddam.
He literally said that Persians and Jews had to be exterminated. He used chemical weapons on our soldiers and civilians.
Sardasht is the 3rd largest victim of WMDs after Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

You know who consider him a hero? Palestinians. They call him the Arab Lion.

This sort of fear mongering no longer works, bro. Genocide has always been an acceptable thing. It has happened times and times again in the last 100 years alone. This situation has absolutely no impact on that. The 2023 Hamas war on Israel is over with a decisive Israeli victory and unconditional support of the West. That's all that there's to it.

 

[OldTwilight]

It is when you look at the greater scheme of things.
There will be no more excuses for giving money to people who did not even thank Iran for literally being dragged into war because of them.

چراغی که به خانه رواست به مسجد حرام است

I am actually happy that this whole axis of resistance nonsense is almost over. Syria fell, Hezbollah was defeated, Hamas was destroyed. Now it's time to focus on Iranians, and only Iranians.

We can finally join CFT and FATF. Definitely a positive development for Iran.

what point!?
Ordinary Iranian can not even buy milk based foods, IR just want to have a window to steal more

 

[ShapurII]

what point!?
Ordinary Iranian can not even buy milk based foods, IR just want to have a window to steal more

I suppose the IR will be given a very clear choice now:
1. An all-out war or at least a series of long-lasting wars,
2. Recognize Israel and be part of the current world order.

In reality, the Islamic Republic faces a great decision now:
1. Go nuclear like North Korea,
2. Normalize ties with the US, recognize and befriend Israel.

Since the IR has made it quite clear at every turn that they do not have the cojones to pick option 1, only option 2 is left.

 

[FUB]

Who gave the reason to eu for snapback?
Not it was parliament law?
What was the benefit of it right now ?

“Who gave the reason to eu for snapback?”
Javad Zari. Why ? Because he allowed it to be part of JCPOA to begin with and lied about.

“What was the benefit of it right now ?”
If you mean that he Oligarchy/ Zarif clan, I say to keep psychological pressure on Iranian people to extract more concessions from them.

I broke down verse by verse ,chapter by chapter ,exactly who causes inflation and currency devaluation in Iran.

Why is there no inflation in Russia? They have even more sanctions because Putin won’t allow the same treachery that’s going on in Iran to be played out in Russia with funny money business.
Arrest those people, and confiscate their assets ,and 50% of the cost of living problem is solved.

 

[chinasun]

Turning Iran into a second Syria would suit U.S. and Israeli interests perfectly; how can Iran's secular forces ensure the nation itself does not become the region's ultimate loser?

 

[tsunset]

Putin: Israel asked us to convey calming messages to Iran

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Probably no war coming soon, maybe in the next years

 

[ShapurII]

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Look at these delusional fools.
Their new coping mechanism
@Persian Gulf @Dariush-e Bozorg

There's not any evidence for even a single Sukhoi-30 or Sukhoi-35 and they're talking about 140 Sukhoi jet fighters in Iran lol

We have people here who cite this imbecile as their source of news. I really wonder how someone like him can become a parliament member, but then again the way that voting in Iran works, everything is possible. If Ghazizadeh is a parliament member, why not him?

 

[ShapurII]

پوتین: تعهد ایران برای ازسرگیری همکاری سازنده با آژانس را احساس می‌کنیم/ تنها از راه دیپلماسی و مذاکره می‌توان برنامه هسته‌ای تهران را حل کرد؛ هیچ جایگزین معقولی وجود ندارد

پوتین: تعهد ایران برای ازسرگیری همکاری سازنده با آژانس را احساس می‌کنیم/ تنها از راه دیپلماسی و مذاکره می‌توان برنامه هسته‌ای تهران را حل کرد؛ هیچ جایگزین معقولی وجود ندارد

پوتین گفت: ما با شرکای ایرانی خود در تماس نزدیک هستیم و تعهد آنها را برای یافتن راه‌حل‌های قابل قبول متقابل و از سرگیری همکاری سازنده با آژانس بین‌المللی انرژی اتمی احساس می‌کنیم.

www.entekhab.ir

It seems that the Ayatollahs have chosen surrender as their option.

 

[tsunset]

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There will probably be no war any soon and it makes sense as IDF wants to replenish as much as they can, it's time for Iran to repair everything that was damaged and maximize the missile production rate and get any fighter jet, even Su-27 or Mig31, everything it can from various sources, repair the IADS and its production rate with foreign components and systems, and come back stronger to face IDF

The covert attacks will probably keep going so i hope they fixed all the flaws that Israel used during the war. Doing nothing is not an option this time, the country more united than before the war and no protest/riot erupted which was IDF's main goal of their attacks

 

[kastor ville]

what point!?
Ordinary Iranian can not even buy milk based foods, IR just want to have a window to steal more

Serious question....what happened to you? You used to be a big backer for this government? What changed your mind? I'm not trolling, I just want to know ...to be honest, I've never been a fan of a religious based government, but I also don't like foreign interference, and thought it's better to support the IRI rather than cheer the foreign forces trying to take them down.

 

[kastor ville]

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There will probably be no war any soon and it makes sense as IDF wants to replenish as much as they can, it's time for Iran to repair everything that was damaged and maximize the missile production rate and get any fighter jet, even Su-27 or Mig31, everything it can from various sources, repair the IADS and its production rate with foreign components and systems, and come back stronger to face IDF

The covert attacks will probably keep going so i hope they fixed all the flaws that Israel used during the war. Doing nothing is not an option this time, the country more united than before the war and no protest/riot erupted which was IDF's main goal of their attacks

Never trust Israel....never!!!!
If they conveyed the message that they don't seek conflict, you can take this as a sign of weakness.... They're afraid of something. These bastards kill innocent people every single day, women and children!!
You can never sit at a table with such people... We can never see eye to eye with such people! These people are the antithesis of humanity. I wonder how true this message is.... For whatever it's worth I would always try to see the real reasons behind the message, and dismiss the message itself. They attacked our people in middle of the night , in their homes when they were with their wives and children. I can't let that go.

 

[kastor ville]

I suppose the IR will be given a very clear choice now:
1. An all-out war or at least a series of long-lasting wars,
2. Recognize Israel and be part of the current world order.

In reality, the Islamic Republic faces a great decision now:
1. Go nuclear like North Korea,
2. Normalize ties with the US, recognize and befriend Israel.

Since the IR has made it quite clear at every turn that they do not have the cojones to pick option 1, only option 2 is left.

Agree with everything except normalizing with Israel. This is a poison pill...I hope we choose to never swallow it. If it ever comes down to that time we must exact a lot of cost from them to do this...to do this as part of a detente with the West is foolishly cost free for them.....we need a huge benefit package, I mean huge to sell our moral code, sell our collective soul to the this evil warmongers.

 

[ShapurII]

Agree with everything except normalizing with Israel. This is a poison pill...I hope we choose to never swallow it. If it ever comes down to that time we must exact a lot of cost from them to do this...to do this as part of a detente with the West is foolishly cost free for them.....we need a huge benefit package, I mean huge to sell our moral code, sell our collective soul to the this evil warmongers.

There will be no normalization of ties with the US without that. It's a package deal at this point. It's like saying you want to do business with a guy but you try to murder his wife at the same time.

 

[kastor ville]

There will be no normalization of ties with the US without that. It's a package deal at this point. It's like saying you want to do business with a guy but you try to murder his wife at the same time.

Disagree....we can normalize with the US, and choose a non hostility with Israel, but never normalization.....if we normalize then we have lost trillions of dollars and countless lives of our people for nothing....we can normalize relationships with the Euro block and then the US....fk Israel! Let the Gulfies be the ring kissers.
The current situation in America is not good for Israel... The entire propaganda machine and narrative is coming undone. Yes they're actively working to stem the tide, by buying TikTok by buying CBS and Paramount, and they already own Fox, and CNN. However the young people are beginning to question everything about Israel..... I see it everyday. It's very hard for the Israeli propaganda machine to turn back the tide.
Which leads to the next paradigm shift, which is the United States Congress.... Already people are pledging to run for office without taking AIPAC money. AIPAC has become toxic... So with this backdrop I can confidently say we do not need to normalize relations with Israel.

 

[ShapurII]

Disagree....we can normalize with the US, and choose a non hostility with Israel, but never normalization.....if we normalize then we have lost trillions of dollars and countless lives of our people for nothing....we can normalize relationships with the Euro block and then the US....fk Israel! Let the Gulfies be the ring kissers.

Then you have to wait out Trump in some way and survive his maximum pressure campaign with a risk of escalation and war in the next 3 years. And that is based on the assumption that the situation would change after 3 years, while it is quite possible and probably more likely that the next US president would also be a republican, or at least a right-wing figure like JD Vance.

Trump seems pretty clear that he wants Iran to join the Abraham Accords. I doubt he would settle for just non-hostility at this point. Even if he accepts non-hostility, he would want Iran to declare that new stance officially.