Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[OldTwilight]

Serious question....what happened to you? You used to be a big backer for this government? What changed your mind? I'm not trolling, I just want to know ...to be honest, I've never been a fan of a religious based government, but I also don't like foreign interference, and thought it's better to support the IRI rather than cheer the foreign forces trying to take them down.

living among people, seeing their growing suffering and their hopelessness , working with governmental institute and organization

 

[Shafagh]

This is a poison pill...I hope we choose to never swallow it. If it ever comes down to that time we must exact a lot of cost from them to do this...to do this as part of a detente with the West is foolishly cost free for them.....we need a huge benefit package, I mean huge to sell our moral code, sell our collective soul to the this evil warmongers.

Very true, but seems the arabs have taken this poison pill and are doing alright.

So we become a vassal state with zero independence?

I.R. had independent foreign policy for 40 years, and they messed it up completely. The whole point of having independence is so you can make decisions to benefit your country. Iran hasn't benefitted.

 

[mangekyo]

That force is called Vladimir Putin, and sometimes Xi.

Could be Putin, but I think it’s more likely a US/Zionist force.

 

[BigMela2onin]

I.R. had independent foreign policy for 40 years, and they messed it up completely. The whole point of having independence is so you can make decisions to benefit your country. Iran hasn't benefitted.

It's a difficult to swallow pill but you're right, Iranians have shown they can't run a country properly on their own. Even without mullahs, the extensive corruption would still be there and the same oligarchs will don ties and keep sucking up the wealth of the people. Iran is on the same level as the arabs when it comes to statecraft and economics.

 

[Sarhang]

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Look at these delusional fools.
Their new coping mechanism
@Persian Gulf @Dariush-e Bozorg

There's not any evidence for even a single Sukhoi-30 or Sukhoi-35 and they're talking about 140 Sukhoi jet fighters in Iran lol

We have people here who cite this imbecile as their source of news. I really wonder how someone like him can become a parliament member, but then again the way that voting in Iran works, everything is possible. If Ghazizadeh is a parliament member, why not him?

I wouldnt even call it a parliament... maybe Khameneis parliament but certainly not the peoples.


Remember when they received those two Yak trainers? They made a whole spectacle out of it and their fanboys here were jumping up and down over two light trainer jets lol.


Do you really think they will stay quiet if they had actually received a serious number of proper fighter jets?

 

[ShapurII]

Could be Putin, but I think it’s more likely a US/Zionist force.

Putin is also a Zionist force. More than half of the Likud Party are Ashkenazi Jews with Slavic blood, many of them used to be from the Soviet Union.

I wouldnt even call it a parliament... maybe Khameneis parliament but certainly not the peoples.


Remember when they received those two Yak trainers? They made a whole spectacle out of it and their fanboys here were jumping up and down over two light trainer jets lol.


Do you really think they will stay quiet if they had actually received a serious number of proper fighter jets?

Even more embarrassing than that was after the JCPOA when Khamenei's majlis minions were almost beating each other to be in the selfie with Federica Mogherini, or after the entire cabinet and nearly every staff at the airport gathered to take a picture with the single Airbus A350 that had entered Iran. Only two civilian airplanes entered Iran after the JCPOA, besides a few ATR jets.

 

[Sarhang]

Disagree....we can normalize with the US, and choose a non hostility with Israel, but never normalization.....if we normalize then we have lost trillions of dollars and countless lives of our people for nothing....we can normalize relationships with the Euro block and then the US....fk Israel! Let the Gulfies be the ring kissers.
The current situation in America is not good for Israel... The entire propaganda machine and narrative is coming undone. Yes they're actively working to stem the tide, by buying TikTok by buying CBS and Paramount, and they already own Fox, and CNN. However the young people are beginning to question everything about Israel..... I see it everyday. It's very hard for the Israeli propaganda machine to turn back the tide.
Which leads to the next paradigm shift, which is the United States Congress.... Already people are pledging to run for office without taking AIPAC money. AIPAC has become toxic... So with this backdrop I can confidently say we do not need to normalize relations with Israel.

The problem with the IR is that they keep playing a double game.


They want to ''fight'' without actually fighting. In other words they want to rule a normal functioning country with a decent economy while also engaging in military adventures against the established world order.


If the IRs struggle were truly genuine people would have rallied behind them. Ask yourself why hasnt the world been more vocal in supporting Iran? Sure there have been some symbolic shows of support but nowhere near the level of solidarity Hamas received during rallies and on university campuses.


Because people see through it. Hamas genuinely fought Israel and lost. They learned the hard way. They are not comparable of course but just like Germany faced total defeat after pushing too far,Hamas made the same choice.


So your reasoning doesnt hold.... just because we have suffered trillions in losses and continue to suffer doesnt mean we should double down on the same failed path and bring even more pain a decade from now. At some point, if you cannot win, you have to raise your hands and surrender.


And lets be honest IR will never be accepted by Israel.. even if it recognizes a two-state solution. The only path toward acceptance in the global order would be for IR to fundamentally change its nature to become something so different that it no longer represents what it once was or for some massive political shift to occur in the West like Muslim background leaders rising to power. But thats a long shot... at least 50 to 100 years away.


You simply cant gamble an entire country on such guesswork.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Even more embarrassing than that was after the JCPOA when Khamenei's majlis minions were almost beating each other to be in the selfie with Federica Mogherini

that was a humiliation

 

[Persian Gulf]

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strange statement. like we should care about what the UN SG says and be happy about it?

 

[BigMela2onin]

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The west says a lot of things and these khars believe it everytime. How long till we once again hear "we were deceived" by these useless officials?

 

[Immortals]

Disagree....we can normalize with the US, and choose a non hostility with Israel, but never normalization.....if we normalize then we have lost trillions of dollars and countless lives of our people for nothing....we can normalize relationships with the Euro block and then the US....fk Israel! Let the Gulfies be the ring kissers.
The current situation in America is not good for Israel... The entire propaganda machine and narrative is coming undone. Yes they're actively working to stem the tide, by buying TikTok by buying CBS and Paramount, and they already own Fox, and CNN. However the young people are beginning to question everything about Israel..... I see it everyday. It's very hard for the Israeli propaganda machine to turn back the tide.
Which leads to the next paradigm shift, which is the United States Congress.... Already people are pledging to run for office without taking AIPAC money. AIPAC has become toxic... So with this backdrop I can confidently say we do not need to normalize relations with Israel.

What you talking about? Iran has had relations with “Israel” for thousands of years.

It’s this stupid zero sum game of ‘Margh ba America Margh ba Israel’ that has gotten our country on the verge of collapse.

There are other ways to advance the Palestinian cause without threatening to wipe the country off the map and fake statements of grandeur about how Israel will disappear ‘soon’.

Unless Iran strikes a peace deal with Israel and an [eventual] path to normalization, Iran will never be integrated into the West. The west is ruled by Jewish businessmen, scientists, officials, and they won’t allow the Western governments they are part of to engage with normalization with Iran as long as Israel is under hostile threats.

Russia understood this, China understood this, and even the Arabs now understand this. Everyone is getting rich and prospering except Iran because you wore your heart on your sleeve and made your intentions blatantly clear instead of having a shrewd of deception and cleverness.

 

[Kharral]

Wonder where its said the salvation path is marked there is no compulsory in religion

You don’t think Hijab is part of our Faith ?

Even if it’s not ( for arguments sake ) mark my words, this is a huge win for the enemies of GOD in their struggle against Iranian nation. IRI’s first & foremost job is to guard the values & social fabric of Iranian nation. Borders can be shrunk & expanded but social cohesion & value system must be guarded first & foremost.

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Sanity !!!!

Especially when you know what the enemy has in store for you.

I don't see your argument here, Pakistan is in a much better and secure geopolitical position than Iran is.

Pakistan at its heart is a far more conservative society than Iran is. Whatever geopolitical achievements have been achieved by Pakistan are due to its resilient & patient nature, imbued by Islamic culture. Pakistanis & Afghanis are by & large Iranian peoples by race, yet us Pakistanis & Afghans are far more content & confident in our skin than Iranians are. You only have to look around the Pakistani & Afghan diaspora in west & compare it to Iranian diaspora in the west. That too with a great deal of interaction with the western world by Pakistanis at large. We had to suffer the indignation of being colonised by the Brits but they never got us to accept modernity in the form of females opting for Skirts over shalwar.

However, not every thing is hunky dory & the effects of Bollywood & the associated indianisation of the female mind is pretty invasive too for a good portion of our society. If things continue the way they are we ll need a concerted effort to fight against this onslaught too.
Thank GOD we haven’t industrialized yet & aren’t going to anytime soon either.

 

[mangekyo]

Putin is also a Zionist force. More than half of the Likud Party are Ashkenazi Jews with Slavic blood, many of them used to be from the Soviet Union.

Yes, this is true.

 

[mangekyo]

IRI’s first & foremost job is to guard the values & social fabric of Iranian nation. Borders can be shrunk & expanded but social cohesion & value system must be guarded first & foremost.

And they have done a terrible job at that. Not only have they actively fought to erase nationalism, they have even made people distance themselves from religion

You only have to look around the Pakistani & Afghan diaspora in west & compare it to Iranian diaspora in the west.

That too is a product of the revolution. If IRI hadn’t actively worked to destroy nationalism and destroyed Irans global image, Iranian diaspora wouldn’t have the issues you’re pointing out.

 

[Kharral]

And they have done a terrible job at that. Not only have they actively fought to erase nationalism, they have even made people distance themselves from religion


That too is a product of the revolution. If IRI hadn’t actively worked to destroy nationalism and destroyed Irans global image, Iranian diaspora wouldn’t have the issues you’re pointing out.

That may be true but Iranian nationalism diminishes Iran’s geopolitical reach in the region & beyond. Pan Islamism & the cause of GOD actually increases Iran’s geopolitical reach within & outside the world.

So it’s not just an ideological choice made by Iranian leadership & policy makers, it’s also a very pragmatic approach too.