Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

this discussion started by you asking what Israel did to Iran and saying they lost the war

what am I supposed to eat crow about?
let me back up, first of all you listed bs that we already know about.... Yeah they caught us flat-footed, why you rehashing it? Everybody in here knows what happened on the first and second day of that war....#2, why why are you guys so eager to slam what we did? I can point you to 100 videos on YouTube with ex European and US military ppl saying Iran got surprise but they bounced back and saved face. So, I don't get why you guys are basically rehashing the same crap over and over again? But not even give equal time or consideration to what the armed forces did after....as if they didn't blow up Hiafa and badly fk up Tel-Aviv...even a non-geo political laymen would see that...amazing!
#3, just because the US got involved doesn't mean they won...can you please digest this part? The US was supposed to turn us into Iraq, do you understand? It didn't happen! So we lost three facilities....it's war, shit happens. Now we're back, remember how you kept knocking down any kind of news about us rebuilding our air defense system? Calling the links or outlets weak? Now we know that we are rebuilding our air defenses....we have fighters on order, and MIG 29's already in Iran. But let's forget the fact that you knocked all those news briefs down. And now we have ppl in here saying we can normalize with the US unless we marry Israel.... And I posted something that blows a big hole in that argument...
Now would you like that crow fried or grilled?
 

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Pakistan at its heart is a far more conservative society than Iran is. Whatever geopolitical achievements have been achieved by Pakistan are due to its resilient & patient nature, imbued by Islamic culture. Pakistanis & Afghanis are by & large Iranian peoples by race, yet us Pakistanis & Afghans are far more content & confident in our skin than Iranians are. You only have to look around the Pakistani & Afghan diaspora in west & compare it to Iranian diaspora in the west. That too with a great deal of interaction with the western world by Pakistanis at large. We had to suffer the indignation of being colonised by the Brits but they never got us to accept modernity in the form of females opting for Skirts over shalwar.
Yes, Pakistanis and Afghanis are more comfortable in their own skin. Unfortunately it's sad to say, but many Iranians have the same mentality as Indians, Koreans, and to a lesser extent, Japanese; white worship mentality.

Now you are a Pakistani. You never lived under the Islamic Republic in Iran. Your society is more conservative and it regulates itself. Pakistan has a relatively secular democratic government. You don't have morality police harassing women for hijab. You don't have government dictated morality. It's that simple.

Iran is not an example of a healthy society. This stupid regime pushed young people away from hijab. Nobody, NOBODY likes it when government tries to enter their private life and tell them how to live, what to wear. They used to send teenage Basijis to bother women for hijab. You know what happened to them? People would get angry and beat them up. They get their asses kicked all the time. Then some disgruntled basiji extremist types got upset and decided to throw acid in women's faces; totally ruined their lives.

Whatever way Iranians need to change their gharbzadegi mentality, I don't know. But what I do know is this government is sure getting it wrong.

Living in a pro Islamic anti U.S. government doesn't mean sh**. I have lived in Japan. Apart from Tokyo, all the other cities, women there are modestly dress, no tattoos, no disgusting nose piercings. They also live under one of the most pro U.S. governments on earth.

Now compare to holy Iran:

-Mullahs stealing money,
-Mullahs preaching hatred
-Corruption rampant, incompetence in every level of government
-Country infested with mossad
-Riots in the streets every few years, young people are miserable
-Brain drain
-Ecological disaster
-Economic mismanagement
-Population becoming less and less religious as the years go by

There is good governance, and then there is ass backwards terrible governance. I think it's clear which one Iran has.
 
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Pan Islamism & the cause of GOD actually increases Iran’s geopolitical reach within & outside the world.
How has Iran's "Pan Islamism" helped us? Most Muslim countries still hate us. The day Iranian soil was hit, Iranian blood shed, where was Hezbollah and Kataib Hezbollah? We had Iraqi government in our pocket for maybe 15 years? America took out Saddam. We got lucky. Nobody in I.R. facilitated that regime change.

Look what happened with Saudi rapprochement. On TV they say "Iran is our brothers, we want to live together as brotherly neighbors". Overnight they get interviewed by U.S / Israeli press, the same leaders said "Oh if Iran gets nuclear weapons, it is like Nazi regime getting nuclear weapons".

We would have been better off creating a Pan-Iranic alliance with Afghanistan, Pakistan and Tajiks.
 
this discussion started by you asking what Israel did to Iran and saying they lost the war

what am I supposed to eat crow about?
I honestly believe if it benefitted Trump, he would have done a deal with Iran at Israel's expense. Half of his voting base have turned on Israel.

Trump is too dumb, and attention span too short, to be carrying out some nefarious plan for Iran. We could have done a deal and just made it through his 4 year term.

However, he is very socially intelligent. He gets cues, he knows what is popular, how to get people to like him. Just watch. If it becomes more popular to hate Israel, Trump will flip on a dime and dump Netanyahu. Everybody hates yahoo.

He'll go "Well, Bibi is a nice guy, done alot for me, but you know, alota folks are mad at him. He's been doing some bad things over there, I tried to stop him, but he didn't listen. I said you gotta stop doin this stuff, you're hurting Israel. Well it's tough to say this, but Bibi's gotta go. He's too tough to make a deal with, I can't make a deal with him. That's why he's always bombing here and there, he doesn't wanna deal with anybody"

Trump has said similar things in the years prior to his second term.
 
I honestly believe if it benefitted Trump, he would have done a deal with Iran at Israel's expense. Half of his voting base have turned on Israel.

Trump is too dumb, and attention span too short, to be carrying out some nefarious plan for Iran. We could have done a deal and just made it through his 4 year term.

However, he is very socially intelligent. He gets cues, he knows what is popular, how to get people to like him. Just watch. If it becomes more popular to hate Israel, Trump will flip on a dime and dump Netanyahu. Everybody hates yahoo.

He'll go "Well, Bibi is a nice guy, done alot for me, but you know, alota folks are mad at him. He's been doing some bad things over there, I tried to stop him, but he didn't listen. I said you gotta stop doin this stuff, you're hurting Israel. Well it's tough to say this, but Bibi's gotta go. He's too tough to make a deal with, I can't make a deal with him. That's why he's always bombing here and there, he doesn't wanna deal with anybody"

Trump has said similar things in the years prior to his second term.
Exactly.....living in the US gives us the perspective that's missing with the other posters here. They have abstract ideas about how the US government works, specially the foreign policy.... they're not seeing what we're seeing inside the US...heck 75% of the Americans will miss it if they're not paying attention. There is a real flux in the US-Israel relations....they're is flux in the popularity of Israel amongst the young demographic, there is a flux happening amongst the Left and center Right in Congress when it comes to Israel. And now we have Trump saying his cabinet will work with Iran.....it doesn't take a Gerorgerown grad to see what's happening.
But hey man...let's slam Iran one more time....viva Israel! Hooray !!!

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1000 bucks says the coming recession will sweep out the Repubs out of office.....and that the next president will NOT be a Republican.
Probably, but if Trump succeeds in stopping the Ukraine war, which he most likely will because that war has already become too long and both countries are getting exhausted and may very well stop their hostilities by themselves in the next 3 years, then the US economy and European economies will experience a phase of recovery after years of high inflation and unemployment after covid and Trump will get the credit for it.

But other than that, I think the polarization of the American society at this point goes well beyond economy. Pronouns & LGBTQ+ nonsense, DEI, critical race theory, feminism, immigration, the whole list of the crazy things the radical left promotes, I just don't see Americans falling for that again. One Biden was more than enough. And who the Democrats have anyway? Kamala? Everybody hates her. Clinton? The same. They have lost every sane person that once was affiliated with them over the years.

The Democrats lost everything this year. The Congress, the Senate, presidential election, their public figures, etc. They're left with a bunch of insane liberals, poor illegal immigrants and Taylor Swift. Good luck winning the votes of the American public with that.
 
It is now trending on all primary news feeds, including Reuters. I still wouldn't trust these creatures. We hope to see revenge for over one thousand Iranian civilians murdered.

Putin: Israel asked us to convey calming messages to Iran​

Where is Mohsen Reyhani?
I guess the other 300+ missiles did not fall in open fields after all.

That tiny little country.

You're too gullible to discuss politics if you actually fall for that a second time.

Last time they launched a preemptive strike, Iran and the US delegations were supposed to meet the next day and Iran was going to offer the US a whole package to resolve the nuclear issue and normalize our ties with the US after nearly half a century. Almost everybody in Iran believed that the Americans wanted to solve our differences diplomatically, including Khamenei who said that he wasn't very optimistic, but he wasn't pessimistic either. So, even Khamenei thought that the negotiations were real and didn't suspect it was a cover-up for an incoming strike.
 
You're too gullible to discuss politics if you actually fall for that a second time.

Last time they launched a preemptive strike, Iran and the US delegations were supposed to meet the next day and Iran was going to offer the US a whole package to resolve the nuclear issue and normalize our ties with the US after nearly half a century. Almost everybody in Iran believed that the Americans wanted to solve our differences diplomatically, including Khamenei who said that he wasn't very optimistic, but he wasn't pessimistic either. So, even Khamenei thought that the negotiations were real and didn't suspect it was a cover-up for an incoming strike.
What did I say? " I still wouldn't trust these creatures. We hope to see revenge for over one thousand Iranian civilians murdered."
I have dealt with the lying scum for decades. I know exactly how they operate.
The longer this goes on without a second phase, the more evidence there is that they were hammered.
I know the fanboys get triggered, especially when you realize that tiny little country is nothing but the capital for murder, rape, land theft, blackmail, cp, and cr.
 
What did I say? " I still wouldn't trust these creatures. We hope to see revenge for over one thousand Iranian civilians murdered."
I have dealt with the lying scum for decades. I know exactly how they operate.
The longer this goes on without a second phase, the more evidence there is that they were hammered.
I know the fanboys get triggered, especially when you realize that tiny little country is nothing but the capital for murder, rape, land theft, blackmail, cp, and cr.
You pretend that there's no plan for a next round of war with Iran because the Reuters has said that, which is one of the Jewish controlled media by the way.

The situation is still extremely complicated and can spiral out of control any moment. Nothing has changed. Israel does not want peace because it truly believes that it can change the Middle East with military force and they've already done that in the past 2 years. So, they will continue that aggressive policy for the foreseeable future.
 
Probably, but if Trump succeeds in stopping the Ukraine war, which he most likely will because that war has already become too long and both countries are getting exhausted and may very well stop their hostilities by themselves in the next 3 years, then the US economy and European economies will experience a phase of recovery after years of high inflation and unemployment after covid and Trump will get the credit for it.

But other than that, I think the polarization of the American society at this point goes well beyond economy. Pronouns & LGBTQ+ nonsense, DEI, critical race theory, feminism, immigration, the whole list of the crazy things the radical left promotes, I just don't see Americans falling for that again. One Biden was more than enough. And who the Democrats have anyway? Kamala? Everybody hates her. Clinton? The same. They have lost every sane person that once was affiliated with them over the years.

The Democrats lost everything this year. The Congress, the Senate, presidential election, their public figures, etc. They're left with a bunch of insane liberals, poor illegal immigrants and Taylor Swift. Good luck winning the votes of the American public with that.
You're saying exactly the same things us democrats having been saying about the Democratic party leadership, well, I have good news, there are changes afoot here as well. We have Gavin Newsome.....finally! A smart, well spoken white, straight guy!
Do you know why the dems lost 3 elections? I don't want to sound like a racist sob.....but it was the Jews in the US......hear me out, it was Debbie Wasserman Schultz.....(you like that name?) that pushed for Hillary, then we had Schumer, and Pelosi, Pelosi is Italian, but might as well be a full on zio....because she's on record saying:

Nancy Pelosi: If Capitol crumbled to ground...one thing that would remain is our commitment to Israel​


They pushed Hillary, they pushed Biden, till the debate debacle frightened the nation, then they panicked, and rammed Kamala down our throat....so yeah, you're right, they failed badly, and hopefully we'll get some traction in the party soon.
For clarity, the Jews in the media, Hollywood, have been diluting the puritan, christian norms in the country, decade by decade....I have no idea why they're so against it. The porn industry is under their control, they started pushing interracial marriage and relations on tv when I was in my teens, it was a really a big tumult at the time, then they brought the gay man, then the lesbian on tv and movies. They're also in control of the democratic party, they chose gay candidates, a lot of black women to run for office....we lost, and lost some more...why? Because America outside the coasts is not ready for a slew of gays and blacks....yeah, these guys are racist to the core. The US is probably the most racist first world nation in the world. I don't think a lot of ppl realize this. In any case, this zeitgeist is the real reason the Dems have lost so badly......they never field good candidates, they don't have good messaging......the middle population is not really smart, they need small, digestable ideas to understand.....this is what the Republicans are good at:

Drill, baby, drill....."Fight them over there, so we don't fight them here"
"Take my country back!{ and "Make American Great Again!"
The Dems had "Build back better"....lol, who remembers that?
 
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You're saying exactly the same things us democrats having been saying about the Democratic party leadership, well, I have good news, there are changes afoot here as well. We have Gavin Newsome.....finally! A smart, well spoken white, straight guy!
Do you know why the dems lost 3 elections? I don't want to sound like a racist sob.....but it was the Jews in the US......hear me out, it was Debbie Wasserman Schultz.....(you like that name?) that pushed for Hillary, then we had Schumer, and Pelosi, Pelosi is Italian, but might as well be a full on zio....because she's on record saying:

Nancy Pelosi: If Capitol crumbled to ground...one thing that would remain is our commitment to Israel​


They pushed Hillary, they pushed Biden, till the debate debacle frightened the nation, then they panicked, and rammed Kamala down our throat....so yeah, you're right, they failed badly, and hopefully we'll get some traction in the party soon.
I honestly think the Democrats are finished.
They betrayed American voters twice. As you said, Wasserman handpicked Hillary Clinton against Trump, even though Bernie Sanders had most likely won the democratic nomination and HRC was not that popular. Next time in 2024, they didn't even bother to go through the nomination process. They forced Biden to drop out of the race and imposed Kamala on their voters, who couldn't even form a coherent argument against Trump.

I don't know much about Gavin Newsom, but I think California isn't that popular as a state among Americans. It's the birthplace of "pink-haired communists" and Hollywood liberal propaganda at its finest. It's everything that the Americans hate. Lax immigration, high income tax, radical liberalism, weird feminist laws in family courts, billionaires and celebrities trying to control everything, etc. Also, I don't think the way California handled the wildfires helps his image either.
 
I honestly think the Democrats are finished.
They betrayed American voters twice. As you said, Wasserman handpicked Hillary Clinton against Trump, even though Bernie Sanders had most likely won the democratic nomination and HRC was not that popular. Next time in 2024, they didn't even bother to go through the nomination process. They forced Biden to drop out of the race and imposed Kamala on their voters, who couldn't even form a coherent argument against Trump.

I don't know much about Gavin Newsom, but I think California isn't that popular as a state among Americans. It's the birthplace of "pink-haired communists" and Hollywood liberal propaganda at its finest. It's everything that the Americans hate. Lax immigration, high income tax, radical liberalism, weird feminist laws in family courts, billionaires trying to control everything, etc. Also, I don't think the way California handled the wildfires helps his image either.
You need to hear Gavin Newsome speak......he's a smart, educated Trump, something we sorely lack in the Democratic party.
By the way, CA is fuking powerhouse within the US
A POWERHOUSE!
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You need to hear Gavin Newsome speak......he's a smart, educated Trump, something we sorely lack in the Democratic party.
By the way, CA is fuking powerhouse within the US
A POWERHOUSE!
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Here he is on Iran and Israel......now, remember he doesn't want to catch heat by talking smack about Israel before even being a candidate....because here they will go back to High School to see if the candidate said anything bad, about people or Israel.
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You need to hear Gavin Newsome speak......he's a smart, educated Trump, something we sorely lack in the Democratic party.
By the way, CA is fuking powerhouse within the US
A POWERHOUSE!
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Sure, CA is a powerhouse. If it were an independent sovereign state, it would've been the world's 7th largest economy. CA is a powerhouse, but hated by the most Americans at the same time. It's been a blue state for far too long, its policies are extremely leaning towards the left all the time.

Gavin is just saying those things about California as those things are his achievements. He didn't create the Silicon Valley, which is where most of these Fortune 500 companies come from. And besides all this, Gavin Newsom is still pro Israel, right? So, how's that a good thing for us Iranians?
 
What else do you think a person like me can do?
Do you expect me to get my hands on fissile material and develop a nuke in my apartment and send it to faithful soldiers in the Army or the IRGC?
No, but we didn't expect you to call Arican countries poor just because they didnt align with Iran in their UN votong..Just saying..
 

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