Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[FUB]

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There will probably be no war any soon and it makes sense as IDF wants to replenish as much as they can, it's time for Iran to repair everything that was damaged and maximize the missile production rate and get any fighter jet, even Su-27 or Mig31, everything it can from various sources, repair the IADS and its production rate with foreign components and systems, and come back stronger to face IDF

The covert attacks will probably keep going so i hope they fixed all the flaws that Israel used during the war. Doing nothing is not an option this time, the country more united than before the war and no protest/riot erupted which was IDF's main goal of their attacks

Never trust satan and the clan. The only logical inference is that they were hammered. Anything else is a deception and a Trojan Horse. Unfortunately, we are going to see the illiterate, low-IQ, so-called politicians parading around and yammering nonsense.

 

[Persian Gulf]

what happened to Israel during the 12 day war?

they bombed every important target in Iran with ease and precision without losing even one fighter jet and only suffered 30 killed (all civilians) ?

 

[kastor ville]

they bombed every important target in Iran with ease and precision without losing even one fighter jet and only suffered 30 killed (all civilians) ?

Well, that's a rosy way to look at it.....may I ask who was the last country to hit Israel/Tel Aviv? When and which country landed BMs on Israel?
Also, since we're on the subject, which other country did Israel send a message to asking for a cease fire?......Ever?

As the Americans say, don't piss on me and tell me it's raining.

 

[kastor ville]

Israel was created on Palestinian land only 70 years ago and Iran had relations with it for maybe 20-30 years in total

prior jewish protectorates were thousands of years ago and have no connection with the modern day nation state they created and called Israel

in any case, most Iranians did not support the Shah's relations with Israel (frequently booed them at football matches during the Asia Cup matches in the 60s and 70s) and it didn't take long for the Shah to realise how duplicitous and conniving the Jewish supremacists are. we had certain joint military deals but we discovered Israel was screwing Iran over to extract money from us while giving us outdated tech.

Project Flower:

Yaakov Shapiro, the Defense Ministry official in charge of coordinating the negotiations with Iran from 1975 to 1978, recalls: "In Iran they treated us like kings. We did business with them on a stunning scale. Without the ties with Iran, we would not have had the money to develop weaponry that is today in the front line of the defense of the State of Israel."

While Pahlavi's authorities were happy with this project and its advancement away from the eyes of the US in their view, Israel had carefully duped Pahlavi to secure its interests. According to Israel's plan, during this project, contrary to what Iran's top officials think, Iran would only achieve obsolete technology


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There was a good reason for the Iran back during the Shah era to be friendly with Israel......the Shah needed the US, he knew we had the Russians on top of us, he needed to keep them in check. Israel was just another pawn on the chessboard for him, I know you've seen the videos of the Shah talking about the Jewish influence.....he was a calibrated man, he had the Russians, he had the Commies (MEK) he had Saddam and their Wahabi allies to worry about.

 

[kastor ville]

Then you have to wait out Trump in some way and survive his maximum pressure campaign with a risk of escalation and war in the next 3 years. And that is based on the assumption that the situation would change after 3 years, while it is quite possible and probably more likely that the next US president would also be a republican, or at least a right-wing figure like JD Vance.

Trump seems pretty clear that he wants Iran to join the Abraham Accords. I doubt he would settle for just non-hostility at this point. Even if he accepts non-hostility, he would want Iran to declare that new stance officially.

1000 bucks says the coming recession will sweep out the Repubs out of office.....and that the next president will NOT be a Republican.

 

[kastor ville]

Very true, but seems the arabs have taken this poison pill and are doing alright.

So we become a vassal state with zero independence?

I.R. had independent foreign policy for 40 years, and they messed it up completely. The whole point of having independence is so you can make decisions to benefit your country. Iran hasn't benefitted.

Yes.....no one said we can't normalize with the West, I only said we don't need to include Israel. Can you imagine the smile on Netanyahu's face when the Iranian president standing there shaking hands with that mofo?
That is humiliation.....

We can say we will stop the enrichment, and take the whole thing underground. Deny....Deny.....Deny. We don't just build one underground facility, we build 3. Anytime they get wise we move the centrifuges into the next facility. This way we can normalize with the EU and then the US.......we can freeze out the Zios all together. Just like they tried to do with the Palestinians
We don't have to surrender........that's the problem with Iranian thinking, too honest.....**** the Fatwa! This is the 21st century, we don't have to pledge allegiance to 7th century Arab ideals.

 

[kastor ville]

living among people, seeing their growing suffering and their hopelessness , working with governmental institute and organization

I remember you from the old PDF.....you were a true believer, was there a single event that made you say enough is enough? Or was it accumulation over time? The reason I'm asking you is because, these guys fked up bad to lose people like you........I've been saying that the regime can survive but it needs to reform itself. And that change has to come from inside...Seems like reform only happens when they're in danger of losing a large swath of the population.....Masha's death was a fork in the road, and the idiots took the wrong fork, but now all of a sudden they changed the rules and say hijab is not mandatory anymore. This is a bit late, I think the mechanism of change/reform is broken. If we get free elections, I mean free of the bullshit Guardian council meddling and things of that nature.....the SL anointing people..etc.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Well, that's a rosy way to look at it.....may I ask who was the last country to hit Israel/Tel Aviv? When and which country landed BMs on Israel?

so we should be happy we hit Tel Aviv a few times and killed 30 Israelis even though they hit militarily important targets throughout Iran with ease and precision and killed > 1000 Iranians ?

Also, since we're on the subject, which other country did Israel send a message to asking for a cease fire?......Ever?

which country gets attacked, gets 30+ senior commanders and nuclear scientists killed in a few hours, >1000 civilians killed, threatens to raze Tel Aviv and Haifa to the ground, then accepts a ceasefire within 12 days? ...ever?

 

[FUB]

It is now trending on all primary news feeds, including Reuters. I still wouldn't trust these creatures. We hope to see revenge for over one thousand Iranian civilians murdered.

Putin: Israel asked us to convey calming messages to Iran

www.ynetnews.com

Putin: Israel asked us to convey calming messages to Iran​

Where is Mohsen Reyhani?
I guess the other 300+ missiles did not fall in open fields after all.

That tiny little country.

 

[kastor ville]

so we should be happy we hit Tel Aviv a few times and killed 30 Israelis even though they hit militarily important targets throughout Iran with ease and precision and killed > 1000 Iranians ?


which country gets attacked, gets 30+ senior commanders and nuclear scientists killed in a few hours, >1000 civilians killed, threatens to raze Tel Aviv and Haifa to the ground, then accepts a ceasefire within 12 days? ...ever?

Remember how this post started.... Normalizing with US without Israel Guess what? I want to see some of you guys eat crow now!

US will work with Iran: Trump

TEHRAN, Oct. 09 (MNA) – US President Donald Trump claims that his cabinet will now work with Iran.

en.mehrnews.com

 

[Persian Gulf]

Remember how this post started.... Normalizing with US without Israel Guess what? I want to see some of you guys eat crow now!

US will work with Iran: Trump

TEHRAN, Oct. 09 (MNA) – US President Donald Trump claims that his cabinet will now work with Iran.

en.mehrnews.com

this discussion started by you asking what Israel did to Iran and saying they lost the war

what am I supposed to eat crow about?

 

[kastor ville]

this discussion started by you asking what Israel did to Iran and saying they lost the war

what am I supposed to eat crow about?

let me back up, first of all you listed bs that we already know about.... Yeah they caught us flat-footed, why you rehashing it? Everybody in here knows what happened on the first and second day of that war....#2, why why are you guys so eager to slam what we did? I can point you to 100 videos on YouTube with ex European and US military ppl saying Iran got surprise but they bounced back and saved face. So, I don't get why you guys are basically rehashing the same crap over and over again? But not even give equal time or consideration to what the armed forces did after....as if they didn't blow up Hiafa and badly fk up Tel-Aviv...even a non-geo political laymen would see that...amazing!
#3, just because the US got involved doesn't mean they won...can you please digest this part? The US was supposed to turn us into Iraq, do you understand? It didn't happen! So we lost three facilities....it's war, shit happens. Now we're back, remember how you kept knocking down any kind of news about us rebuilding our air defense system? Calling the links or outlets weak? Now we know that we are rebuilding our air defenses....we have fighters on order, and MIG 29's already in Iran. But let's forget the fact that you knocked all those news briefs down. And now we have ppl in here saying we can normalize with the US unless we marry Israel.... And I posted something that blows a big hole in that argument...
Now would you like that crow fried or grilled?

 

[Shafagh]

Pakistan at its heart is a far more conservative society than Iran is. Whatever geopolitical achievements have been achieved by Pakistan are due to its resilient & patient nature, imbued by Islamic culture. Pakistanis & Afghanis are by & large Iranian peoples by race, yet us Pakistanis & Afghans are far more content & confident in our skin than Iranians are. You only have to look around the Pakistani & Afghan diaspora in west & compare it to Iranian diaspora in the west. That too with a great deal of interaction with the western world by Pakistanis at large. We had to suffer the indignation of being colonised by the Brits but they never got us to accept modernity in the form of females opting for Skirts over shalwar.

Yes, Pakistanis and Afghanis are more comfortable in their own skin. Unfortunately it's sad to say, but many Iranians have the same mentality as Indians, Koreans, and to a lesser extent, Japanese; white worship mentality.

Now you are a Pakistani. You never lived under the Islamic Republic in Iran. Your society is more conservative and it regulates itself. Pakistan has a relatively secular democratic government. You don't have morality police harassing women for hijab. You don't have government dictated morality. It's that simple.

Iran is not an example of a healthy society. This stupid regime pushed young people away from hijab. Nobody, NOBODY likes it when government tries to enter their private life and tell them how to live, what to wear. They used to send teenage Basijis to bother women for hijab. You know what happened to them? People would get angry and beat them up. They get their asses kicked all the time. Then some disgruntled basiji extremist types got upset and decided to throw acid in women's faces; totally ruined their lives.

Whatever way Iranians need to change their gharbzadegi mentality, I don't know. But what I do know is this government is sure getting it wrong.

Living in a pro Islamic anti U.S. government doesn't mean sh**. I have lived in Japan. Apart from Tokyo, all the other cities, women there are modestly dress, no tattoos, no disgusting nose piercings. They also live under one of the most pro U.S. governments on earth.

Now compare to holy Iran:

-Mullahs stealing money,
-Mullahs preaching hatred
-Corruption rampant, incompetence in every level of government
-Country infested with mossad
-Riots in the streets every few years, young people are miserable
-Brain drain
-Ecological disaster
-Economic mismanagement
-Population becoming less and less religious as the years go by

There is good governance, and then there is ass backwards terrible governance. I think it's clear which one Iran has.

 

[Shafagh]

Pan Islamism & the cause of GOD actually increases Iran’s geopolitical reach within & outside the world.

How has Iran's "Pan Islamism" helped us? Most Muslim countries still hate us. The day Iranian soil was hit, Iranian blood shed, where was Hezbollah and Kataib Hezbollah? We had Iraqi government in our pocket for maybe 15 years? America took out Saddam. We got lucky. Nobody in I.R. facilitated that regime change.

Look what happened with Saudi rapprochement. On TV they say "Iran is our brothers, we want to live together as brotherly neighbors". Overnight they get interviewed by U.S / Israeli press, the same leaders said "Oh if Iran gets nuclear weapons, it is like Nazi regime getting nuclear weapons".

We would have been better off creating a Pan-Iranic alliance with Afghanistan, Pakistan and Tajiks.

 

[Shafagh]

this discussion started by you asking what Israel did to Iran and saying they lost the war

what am I supposed to eat crow about?

I honestly believe if it benefitted Trump, he would have done a deal with Iran at Israel's expense. Half of his voting base have turned on Israel.

Trump is too dumb, and attention span too short, to be carrying out some nefarious plan for Iran. We could have done a deal and just made it through his 4 year term.

However, he is very socially intelligent. He gets cues, he knows what is popular, how to get people to like him. Just watch. If it becomes more popular to hate Israel, Trump will flip on a dime and dump Netanyahu. Everybody hates yahoo.

He'll go "Well, Bibi is a nice guy, done alot for me, but you know, alota folks are mad at him. He's been doing some bad things over there, I tried to stop him, but he didn't listen. I said you gotta stop doin this stuff, you're hurting Israel. Well it's tough to say this, but Bibi's gotta go. He's too tough to make a deal with, I can't make a deal with him. That's why he's always bombing here and there, he doesn't wanna deal with anybody"

Trump has said similar things in the years prior to his second term.