Pakistan-Af: Operation Khyber Storm

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Will need a supplementary force to police this. Unsustainable to position professional soldiers for any lengthy rotation here as pointed out earlier.

Pakistan Army needs to start thinking of out of the box solutions.

1. We need to restart NCC
2. Create a cadre of border patrol specially designed and equipped to patrol the western border points - six monthly rotations.
3. Utilise emerging technologies
4. Accept that we missed the window for narrative building post 2021 and that window has now gone inside Afghanistan. For the foreseeable the border and beyond should be treated as hostile.
5. Any strong mediation from third parties to "de-escalate" should come with concrete security guarantees.
6. The real end game for India here are resources and the take over of former US airbases inside Afghanistan. < this is a clear and obvious threat to Pakistan should this occur even at a limited technical assistance level (transfer of trainers/technicians from the Enemy into Afghanistan).
Strong, near watertight border is the fulcrum. We achieve that, we achieve leverage and upper hand.

But somehow such plans get scuttled by players inside our power corridors. Pata nahi shayad smuggling ziada important hai.
 
Strong, near watertight border is the fulcrum. We achieve that, we achieve leverage and upper hand.

But somehow such plans get scuttled by players inside our power corridors. Pata nahi shayad smuggling ziada important hai.
HM&MP police came into existence due to the lengthy of the the original motorway and the cross-jurisdictional headaches of different police forces having to police it. This problem requires a similar solution.

Leave fighting forces as force multipliers and in a RRF capacity - border patrol and enforcement should fall to a new body.
 
HM&MP police came into existence due to the lengthy of the the original motorway and the cross-jurisdictional headaches of different police forces having to police it. This problem requires a similar solution.

Leave fighting forces as force multipliers and in a RRF capacity - border patrol and enforcement should fall to a new body.
I mean we have FC. The problem is interests of local commanders in smuggling leading to allowing leaky border. This is the challenge for any force raised for or assigned to this task.

It requires a paramilitary solution. Not police, due to the kind of weapons and systems that need to be operated.
 
After PAF's strikes in Afghanistan, it is prudent to consider a retaliation from TTP/TTA particularly against PAF installation. Security around all major installations of PAF needs to be revised and beefed up.

We can't afford another Kamra or Mehran like incident.
 
The diplomatic recognition will not solve the ideological and ISKP aspect. Nor the misgivings and a sense of revenge for 2001.
It could solve two out of the current three issues the Taliban has with Pakistan, and build trust for the future. The current sledgehammer approach of GHQ where they are expelling refugees and bombing Afghanistan is only making the Taliban reach out to an India which has its arms wide open.

You spent 20 years putting the Taliban back on the throne in Kabul, you will have to live with them now.
The only other option would be a tight border and patience for next 20-30 years. Starve them of the conflict they thrive on. Do we have that kind of patience, I don’t know.
the size of the Af-Pak border and its terrain alone make that an extremely difficult and expensive option. When you add the smuggling of drugs, militants, people, contraband, oil , dollars and weapons over this border and how Pakistani police, army, FC, bureaucrat, politicians all take a cut from this, you realize that's no option at all.
 
I mean we have FC. The problem is interests of local commanders in smuggling leading to allowing leaky border. This is the challenge for any force raised for or assigned to this task.

It requires a paramilitary solution. Not police, due to the kind of weapons and systems needed.
FC needs to be remodelled - it is in my opinion too top heavy and bogged down with manning static check posts - what I am proposing is similar the US Border Patrol - a new agile organisation - empowered with IoT and surveillance drones to monitor the length and breadth of the borders - the border is vast and the distance between each post is sometimes 10 -15 to 20 KM...

The terrorists know this. We need to work in developing Intelligence fusion centres as were developed in the US post 9/11. There is a reason post 9/11 the domestic intelligence gathering and sharing was so effective - every agency, public body, private entity and civilian was feeding intelligence in to the system where it was sifted, rated and disseminated as appropriate.

What Asif said during his firebrand speech wasn't wrong - the public need to share the load here somewhat - but at the same time the institutions needs to be open and honest and share information with their public, engage, educate, empower.

Only by working within this framework will you see any meaningful development.
 
After PAF's strikes in Afghanistan, it is prudent to consider a retaliation from TTP/TTA particularly against PAF installation. Security around all major installations of PAF needs to be revised and beefed up.

We can't afford another Kamra or Mehran like incident.
Full agree brother. We cannot afford to let this scum cause harm to any of our strategic assets - and both our equipment and our men and women in uniform are all our strategic assets.
 
the size of the Af-Pak border and its terrain alone make that an extremely difficult and expensive option. When you add the smuggling of drugs, militants, people, contraband, oil , dollars and weapons over this border and how Pakistani police, army, FC, bureaucrat, politicians all take a cut from this, the realize that's no option at all.
It’s not 80s anymore. The kind of tech available now makes border control possible and viable option.

The problem is the second part.
 
FC needs to be remodelled - it is in my opinion too top heavy and bogged down with manning static check posts - what I am proposing is similar the US Border Patrol - a new agile organisation - empowered with IoT and surveillance drones to monitor the length and breadth of the borders - the border is vast and the distance between each post is sometimes 10 -15 to 20 KM...

The terrorists know this. We need to work in developing Intelligence fusion centres as were developed in the US post 9/11. There is a reason post 9/11 the domestic intelligence gathering and sharing was so effective - every agency, public body, private entity and civilian was feeding intelligence in to the system where it was sifted, rated and disseminated as appropriate.

What Asif said during his firebrand speech wasn't wrong - the public need to share the load here somewhat - but at the same time the institutions needs to be open and honest and share information with their public, engage, educate, empower.

Only by working within this framework will you see any meaningful development.
And the resistance to that is internal. Like intelligence sharing and fusion, NACTA Was supposed to be that (correct me if I am wrong). But the premier agency doesn’t want anyone else to have that overarching role (again correct me if I am wrong).

Also, they were supposed to build 850 forts and more posts in between. That’s pretty much one at every couple of kilometers. Has it been done or sabotaged too.

The problem is we sabotage things ourselves from border control, to intelligence fusion, to NAP and then go on firebrand tirades to blame everyone else and their mothers.
 
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Have you not been keeping up with the news coming out of Iran regarding Afghan deportations ? Do you think it is mere happenstance.

If either India or Afghanistan thinks this a cakewalk they are sorely mistaken.
Well cakewalk or not they are effective while we are not. The results are what matters

I think we cant manage 2 front battlestance our borders are too hot, our pockets are empty, our society is divided, our system is working with duct tapes we need a complete overhaul if we dont do that you wont come up with a solution even if BUILD THE WALL.
 
I wanted to read it but it’s behind a paywall. Is it possible to post the text?

Pakistan’s bet on Taliban backfires as violence surges
Islamabad had deadliest year in almost a decade following rise in terror attacks


When the Taliban took control of Kabul in 2021, Pakistan’s then-prime minister Imran Khan lauded Afghanistan for breaking “the shackles of slavery”. Khan’s spymaster Faiz Hameed was photographed drinking tea with leaders of the Islamist militant group in a Kabul hotel.

But with violence surging to a nine-year high, Islamabad’s hope that the new regime would prove a more co-operative ally than their US-backed predecessor has been replaced by concern about security.

More than 2,500 civilians, security personnel and militants were killed by terror attacks in Pakistan in 2024, a 66 per cent increase from 2023, according to the Islamabad-based Centre for Research and Security Studies, many of them killed by militant groups based in Afghanistan.

Asim Munir, Pakistan’s chief of army staff, called Afghanistan a “brotherly neighbour” on Tuesday in Peshawar, the capital of the border province of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, but called on the Taliban to crack down on cross-border militancy.

“Pakistan has always wanted better relations with Afghanistan,” he said, according to the state broadcaster. “The only difference . . . is the presence of [the Pakistani Taliban] and the spread of terrorism . . . and it will remain so until they remove this issue.”

Islamabad had hoped that supporting the Afghan Taliban through its two-decade insurgency — including with shelter, weapons, financing and medical aid — would buy it leverage and security along their shared 2,600km border after Nato-led forces departed.

“Pakistan is losing patience with the Afghan Taliban which refuses to take action against” Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), also known as the Pakistani Taliban, said Asif Durrani, Pakistan’s former special representative for Afghanistan, who left the role in September.

“They’ve done nothing but act like ostriches with their heads in the sand when we show them proof that terrorism is emanating from their borders.”

The TTP has historic links to the regime in Kabul and al-Qaeda but operates independently.

Increasing attacks by the group, which seeks to impose its brand of hardline sharia law in Pakistan’s tribal borderlands, have shaken foreign investors’ faith in Islamabad. Chinese workers have also been targeted by separatist militants, drawing outrage from Chinese officials and threatening Beijing’s $60bn in Belt and Road Initiative projects in the country.

A UN Security Council report in July 2024 estimated that at least 6,000 TTP fighters currently operate out of Afghanistan. The group’s resurgence, fuelled in part by advanced weapons left behind by Nato’s withdrawal and the release of hundreds of fighters from Afghan prisons, has erased much of Pakistan’s hard-fought progress to defeat it before 2021, analysts said.

Pakistan has tried to pressure the Taliban to rein in the TTP, deporting more than 800,000 Afghan refugees, and instituted border closures, restricting the landlocked country’s access to Pakistan’s ports. Islamabad has also launched air strikes against hide-outs in Afghanistan that Pakistani security officials allege house TTP fighters.

“[Pakistan has] adopted a military approach towards TTP, but that has not succeeded,” said Suhail Shaheen, a Taliban spokesperson, who said the attacks were being carried out by groups based in tribal areas inside Pakistan. “It is up to [Islamabad] to reconsider their approach and adopt a more realistic approach aimed at resolving the issue internally.

The regime in Kabul has relocated a small number of TTP fighters and their families to western Afghanistan, away from the Pakistan border. But analysts worry that the Afghan Taliban is neither capable nor willing to go as far as Pakistan would like. For the TTP, the Taliban have “dug their heels”, said Ibraheem Bahiss, an analyst at the International Crisis Group.

“The government does not want to risk sparking a war with a powerful group it shares deep ties with, especially with the risk that some TTP fighters may defect to IS-KP,” he added, referring to the Afghanistan-based Isis splinter group.

This comes as the Taliban is seeking to repair ties with India, diversifying its economic partners as relations with Pakistan have frayed.

Vikram Misri, India’s top foreign ministry bureaucrat, met Mawlawi Amir Khan Muttaqi, Afghanistan’s acting foreign minister, in Dubai last week and promised to deepen trade through an Iranian port.

Islamabad made a “strategic miscalculation” by betting that the Afghan Taliban would turn on the TTP, its ideological ally, said Maleeha Lodhi, a former Pakistani ambassador to the US and the UN.

Economic interdependence and religious and ethnic ties between Pakistan and Afghanistan mean “neither side can afford a breakdown in relations”, she said. “But this level of cross-border violence can’t go on.”
 
There's still no verified information.
Let's see the blowback from this in the next couple of weeks.

India will open embassy, followed by consulates by the border for intelligence and "terrorism" training. Even if it wasn't true during the Republic, it'll be now. Pakistan is keep self checkmating itself.

Let's see how the Taliban handle this, as there's really no replacement for them unfortunately.

We can all agree, sh!t has hit the fan finally!!

In 💯 agreement with you!

Our simpleton military brass has been played into this all along..

I'm so sure that it would be US-Israeli intelligence alliance helping India use TTA against us, USA can never be your friend, especially in these times, they just successfully lured you into this trap, encouraging you as some kind of a new regional power/player..

I'm not sure, I have a bad feeling about this.

Allah uses different methods and means to achieve His goals, let's see how it plays out.
 
to help you digest what I am going to write below, I will help you to recall what these Afghans did to the Iranians during the Israeli airstrikes, they provided intelligence to Israelis in their assassinations of scientists and the military personnel although Iranians didnt do any so called betrayal.


Afghans really dont need you to speak for them, their actions speak for themselves. even when they were serving green tea to the favorite Pakistani General of PTI i.e General Faiz they made it clear that they didnt recognize the borders and consider Pakistani land up to Attock as theirs.
yes they are enemies of ISIS but that can quickly change because like TTP, they share the takfiri ideology and violence like ISIS so they might make an alliance soon.
Pakistan was the last country like Saudis to leave those sons of bitches.
the ISI chief and Saudi intelligence chief prince Turki LA Faisal personally went to Afghanistan before the American invasion telling those clueless bastards to give up Osama.. Pakistan continued to take the blame, ridicule and suspicion of supporting these thankless POS for decades.

so no, sir Pakistan didnt betray them or dump them. Pakistan allowed their families to take refuge in Pakistan as the Northern alliance reached Kabul to do exactly what these goat fuckers and child molesters did to their families.

my gripe with Pakistani state and its establishment is that it keeps on getting bitten by these people again and again. whether the godless communists or the taqfiri throat slitting mullahs, their DNA is Afghani and they will do exactly what they are known to do.

That is a way too much of nothing really... topic here is TT Pakistan! And there actions in PAKISTAN!
A result of politicking and tinkering that didn't go as intended. Mush accepted one diktat to avert consequences that now keep paying dividends for decades to come...
Again, this is as much an in house problem as outside...
 
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