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Do you think PTI has a future without Imran Khan?

  • Yes

    Votes: 22 19.6%
  • No

    Votes: 80 71.4%
  • Only if senior leadership is released

    Votes: 10 8.9%

  • Total voters
    112
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things are getting heated!!

we are in end game now!! either they bow down state the real state people hold them accountable or unfortunately blood shed all across Pakistan which can end like 71.....

🍿 out idara messed with the wrong person tbis time!

fauj33ts and patwari can start woofing loud now!
 
He could have saved so many lives had he taken a firm stance against terrorism in 2005. Someone of his influence had an obligation. There are many Pakhtun deaths on his hands.
 
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And what happens after you throw everything at them? What do you expect they will do?
We are not trying to take over Afghanistan

We have a free bombing run over any part of Afghanistan

We have a mount of old stock that can be dumped on Afghanistan even with mirage's

Afghanistan gets most of its taxation from trade via the Pakistani border

All Afghanistans neighbors are hostile and even chabahar has U.S sanctions


Cut the border trade,
Kick out the remaining afghans from Pakistan
GIVE THEM NOTHING
Dont allow afghans entry into Pakistan via airports

Bomb any Taliban it afghan military build up by the border, if they want to lose thousands of troops then oblige them

For any TTP attack, respond with hitting targets in Afghanistan

Set aside resources Including drones and aircraft and attack helicopters dedicated to dealing with Afghanistan

Use old stock, ageing planes soon to be retired, old Cobras, drones to support war in the west

Everything has been tried to make afghans into Indian, their are no further options but conflict
 
IK never attended a single NSC meeting when in office. When asked about his opinion he maintained open borders and citizenship for refugees.

The ceasefire he negotiated with TTP broke down in 2 years. In that 2 years TTP managed to regroup and become stronger than ever.

As you can see IK is completely out of his depth at this level. The awam doesn't understand this, they see bat symbol and they vote. But we know the damage that has been done and what needs to be done to fix this mess.
 
Asim Munir is wreaking havoc on Pakistan just to get his extension. Th guy is not
mentally well and needs to put down like Zia Ul Haq.
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talks talks talks talks talks talks talks

100k dead and counting. Keep talking.
 
We are not trying to take over Afghanistan

We have a free bombing run over any part of Afghanistan

We have a mount of old stock that can be dumped on Afghanistan even with mirage's

Afghanistan gets most of its taxation from trade via the Pakistani border

All Afghanistans neighbors are hostile and even chabahar has U.S sanctions


Cut the border trade,
Kick out the remaining afghans from Pakistan
GIVE THEM NOTHING
Dont allow afghans entry into Pakistan via airports

Bomb any Taliban it afghan military build up by the border, if they want to lose thousands of troops then oblige them

For any TTP attack, respond with hitting targets in Afghanistan

Set aside resources Including drones and aircraft and attack helicopters dedicated to dealing with Afghanistan

Use old stock, ageing planes soon to be retired, old Cobras, drones to support war in the west

Everything has been tried to make afghans into Indian, their are no further options but conflict

Be realistic. We cannot even patrol our own areas in soft top vehicles and you want to go bomb Afghanistan with few aging air fleet. Who will pay for this air campaign?
 
These are just excuses to justify the status quo of military’s unchecked dominance in Pakistan. If people of a country want real change, no power in the world can stop them. We already saw that during Islamic Revolution in Iran and more recently during the upheavals in Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Nepal.
Its not excuses. Since Imran Khan likes to bring Islam in everything, tell us exactly what constitution which is based on Islamic laws is the army breaking? Werent Islamic empires ruled by military?
 
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These post don't really answer the questions on hand. Since you are a think tank and a pro PTI person why don't you tell us how will PTI do these talks and what will it achieve?
 
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These post don't really answer the questions on hand. Since you are a think tank and a pro PTI person why don't you tell us how will PTI do these talks and what will it achieve?
Well I am not PTI supporter, I only support free Imran Khan , end the military interference in Pakistani politics and foreign policy. and what we raise in 1979 , same clan we are dealing now. as the solution those who raise these terrorist , nurture them and use them, can better answer . We fought Afghan wars , PTI came in power for hardly 3 years. What you expect from them. They need peace in there province. Let Tribal elder of restive zone sit with these faction. What happened to billions rupee border fencing ? .



 
It’s not about any geographic location but whether if Pakistan’s 250 million civilians actually want to govern themselves or are they just fine with outsourcing this job to their military leadership?
The truth is you say civilians wants army out but which civilians , civilians on fb , i know half of the pti supporters online are just bots, Indians and Afghans.
Where are these people who want army out
 
Its not excuses. Since Imran Khan likes to bring Islam in everything, tell us exactly what constitution which is based on Islamic laws is the army breaking? Werent Islamic empires ruled by military?
Are you out your mind islamic empire was never ruled by military it ran on the system called khilafat which was basically election being held with in it. Even if khalifa nominated his secussors if the shura didn't agree the khilafat wouldn't be transfered to them. The closest system to it would be democratic presidential system in todays time.

Biggest example would be Hazart Umer R.A changing the most popular and powerful general (Khalid bin Waleed R.A) during an ongoing war with that times super power persia because he was elected khalifa. And Khalid bin Waleed R.A a military leader and most secussful one at that was never a khalifa. His startegies are part of military studies till today.

And If your talking about after khalifas then your talking about kingships which is not islamic system but sytem of that time like todays democracy.
 
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These post don't really answer the questions on hand. Since you are a think tank and a pro PTI person why don't you tell us how will PTI do these talks and what will it achieve?
PTI in KPK (as the current elected provincial government) and the Tribal Jirga system are an interface between the Pakistani state and the public. The state needs a way to enforce its writ upon the public that will endure, be respected, be accepted as legitimate, especially when it doesn’t clash with local culture.

What is clear is the TTP (and their supporters) are beyond the pale, and need to be expelled at the very least. Trust with the state needs to be rebuilt to keep intel channels open and the jirga system needs to be strengthened to enforce societal pressure on locals to not allow the miscreants from getting any footholds back on our side of the border.

Talks would be about concessions to our own Jirgas and tribes to hold the line and how they can get the Afghans to not let the TTP into Pakistan. Concessions on trade and easier movement of vetted persons would be the kind of concessions that would probably be on the table. Human scale terms that only locals that feel loyal to the state can sift the wheat from the chaff.

Without a very good HUMINT on the ground, these militants could be moving freely and be hard to detect. HUMINT at that scale will depend on close political cooperation between local (jirgas), provincial and federal.

LEA are there to back up this plan; to give just the right amount of stick (such as the strike that precisely took out this miscreant, and his minions and ammo dumps, without harming civilians), while politicians are there to give the right amount of carrots, PTI gives the perception in KPK, to give just the right amount of carrots and try to keep the use of the stick to what is absolutely necessary. Hence a suggestion that a plan be allowed to be formulated between IK/PTI and Gen. Retired Tariq Khan, and war gamed to see what resources would be needed to achieve these goals of pacification and what could be realistically achieved, should seriously be considered.

We have to look at political figures we have and how best they can play a role in achieving national interests. Internal reconciliation as well as a mechanism for a long term cultural shift in the Afghans (via our own local Pashtun population pushing back and setting new norms) is a necessity, especially for as long as we have these personalities with such cache.
 
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