JF-17 PFX program

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JamD said:
This will be my last post on this topic because I'm not changing any opinions anymore but let me tell you what this 200ish number is
1. 50-100ish British Pakistani engineers from BAE systems that are working in TFX. They are Britishers and not working for Azm - obviously.
2. 30-40 Pakistanis working for KAAN at turkish aerospace Pakistan. These are Turkish Aerospace employees that have nothing to do with Azm.
3. 40 ish people that were deputed from NESCOM and PAF to spend 2 years working in TFX. This has ended now. An to quote one of the guys when I asked him what you went there to do before and after they went "I really don't know". They didn't do anything there, they were just there doing odd side low priority things. The next batch that went didn't even go to TFX but to aircraft division which is hurkus and hurjet.

So yeah. There is no collaboration. PAF may buy the Kaan when it is ready. You can ask any of the Turkish members.
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Okay even when we would officially become the partner and signing ceremony would be announced you still would make excuses. I can do nothing about that mindset. And yes, even I know KAAN is not coming before 2030 to 2032. Only question in my mind is PFX is KAAN or not. I am 98 % sure that it's KAAN. The other option of it being something similar to Grippen E. I mean a heavily upgraded JF-17 with 10 to 11 hardpoints, very powerful engine, AESA radar, Integrated IRST, EW suit latest avionics. I give it only 2 % chance.
 
Zarvan said:
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Okay even when we would officially become the partner and signing ceremony would be announced you still would make excuses. I can do nothing about that mindset. And yes, even I know KAAN is not coming before 2030 to 2032. Only question in my mind is PFX is KAAN or not. I am 98 % sure that it's KAAN. The other option of it being something similar to Grippen E. I mean a heavily upgraded JF-17 with 10 to 11 hardpoints, very powerful engine, AESA radar, Integrated IRST, EW suit latest avionics. I give it only 2 % chance.
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I wish you the best Zarvan. I hope you're right I really do.
 
JamD said:
I wish you the best Zarvan. I hope you're right I really do.
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KAAN will eventually come with being produced in Pakistan. My only hope is Turkish engine gets ready soon. USA can't be trusted, and do we have British option or that I don't know.
 
JamD said:
This will be my last post on this topic because I'm not changing any opinions anymore but let me tell you what this 200ish number is
1. 50-100ish British Pakistani engineers from BAE systems that are working in TFX. They are Britishers and not working for Azm - obviously.
2. 30-40 Pakistanis working for KAAN at turkish aerospace Pakistan. These are Turkish Aerospace employees that have nothing to do with Azm.
3. 40 ish people that were deputed from NESCOM and PAF to spend 2 years working in TFX. This has ended now. An to quote one of the guys when I asked him what you went there to do before and after they went "I really don't know". They didn't do anything there, they were just there doing odd side low priority things. The next batch that went didn't even go to TFX but to aircraft division which is hurkus and hurjet.

So yeah. There is no collaboration. PAF may buy the Kaan when it is ready. You can ask any of the Turkish members.
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bhai aap apna kiyaal rakhein please, too much info in public domain.
 
Zarvan said:
Based on that we joined KAAN program few years back. Based on the fact a Turkish Government official was part of launching ceremony of Babur Class Corvette in Karachi and said that already more then 200 Pakistani engineers and technicians are working on KAAN project and soon number will go up to 400
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1. Pakistan never joined KAAN.

2. A Turkish official was present in the launch of Babar Class Corvettes because it’s literally a Turkish ship!!!
 
Falcon26 said:
1. Pakistan never joined KAAN.

2. A Turkish official was present in the launch of Babar Class Corvettes because it’s literally a Turkish ship!!!
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Did you even read what I wrote. Yes we are going to join KAAN project in few months. Secondly 200 Pakistanis are already working on KAAN and more will be send soon. Yes lot of Turkish members were present at the ceremony but the one who gave speech was their Deputy Defense Minister for production. They basically overlook all weapons program of Turkey. He was the one who said we would soon invite Pakistan to become partner TFX KAAN and 200 Pakistani engineers and technicians are already working on KAAN and number will be increased to 400 soon. So please grow up before commenting bother to read what I wrote.
 
Zarvan said:
Did you even read what I wrote. Yes we are going to join KAAN project in few months. Secondly 200 Pakistanis are already working on KAAN and more will be send soon. Yes lot of Turkish members were present at the ceremony but the one who gave speech was their Deputy Defense Minister for production. They basically overlook all weapons program of Turkey. He was the one who said we would soon invite Pakistan to become partner TFX KAAN and 200 Pakistani engineers and technicians are already working on KAAN and number will be increased to 400 soon. So please grow up before commenting bother to read what I wrote.
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Brother, I think you live in fantasy land. @JamD has aptly answered all your misconceptions but you choose to persist in them.
 
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Keep this in mind also. Recently Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Turkey also had few days conference on defense corporation. In which high-level delegations from all three countries participated and agreed to increase corporation in defense fields.
 
Falcon26 said:
Brother, I think you live in fantasy land. @JamD has aptly answered all your misconceptions but you choose to persist in them.
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Mr. I don't live in fantasy world you live in denial and delusion. Your kind was also the which said even J-10 will never come. We have J-10 and growing in numbers. Also, none of the claims I have made are my claims. They are official claims made in public gatherings in front of media. If you are not following every defense move which is taking place not my fault. 200 Engineers, I didn't announce it it was Turkish deputy minister of defense who did. Number will be increased to 400 was not my announcement but Turkish official. Pakistan will soon become Turkish partner in TFX project is announced by Turkish officials not by me. So, grow up and follow the news first and then come and talk to me. J-31 is coming is announced by PAF chief not me. There is a project called JF-17 PFX is announced by Pakistan Air Force in their official video. Now what this project is the question. Is it KAAN or some other project here we are discussing that. I don't live in fantasy world it's you are so naive that even things which are officially announced you have started to deny that also. So, grow up.
 
Zarvan said:
Mr. I don't live in fantasy world you live in denial and delusion. Your kind was also the which said even J-10 will never come. We have J-10 and growing in numbers. Also, none of the claims I have made are my claims. They are official claims made in public gatherings in front of media. If you are not following every defense move which is taking place not my fault. 200 Engineers, I didn't announce it it was Turkish deputy minister of defense who did. Number will be increased to 400 was not my announcement but Turkish official. Pakistan will soon become Turkish partner in TFX project is announced by Turkish officials not by me. So, grow up and follow the news first and then come and talk to me. J-31 is coming is announced by PAF chief not me. There is a project called JF-17 PFX is announced by Pakistan Air Force in their official video. Now what this project is the question. Is it KAAN or some other project here we are discussing that. I don't live in fantasy world it's you are so naive that even things which are officially announced you have started to deny that also. So, grow up.
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calm down Zarvan, you are repeating your statements again and again.

"Ab tu mujhey sabaq ki tarha rut gayi hein"

let's see what happen in near future, everyone will witness.
 
Tameem said:
@JamD unnecessarily shown too much biased against PAF (exibit Political frustration to every govt entity) in recent posts. He is too gone beyond sanity.
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on the other hand I think he is the realist of us all. He has seen the inner working of this organization that is the PAF and has seen the rot that is inside. Every one of my relative who is working in nescom and other government organization has far more brutal things to say then jamD has ever said. Given what i do know i will trust him far more than zarvan and co.
 
It's probably an iterative 'Block 4' version of the JF-17...or another disinformation campaign by our resident 'psyops' master tactician Mastan Khan :)
 
amuqeetk said:
on the other hand I think he is the realist of us all. He has seen the inner working of this organization that is the PAF and has seen the rot that is inside. Every one of my relative who is working in nescom and other government organization has far more brutal things to say then jamD has ever said. Given what i do know i will trust him far more than zarvan and co.
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Their are deficiencies in every entity so are sufficiencies, Its the matter how you sees it, a person in anger always resort to the darker side. Besides PAF is most professional throughout our checkered history even our foes acknowledges it there is no need to go so harsh on our prime entity. @JamD whoever he is remain less trustworthy compares to PAF.
 
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