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[PakAl]

Brother if he is such a man of principal why did he become a puppet for the establishment?
Is just being a great person or a speaker is enough to run a country.
Do we need some intellect?
He chose incompetent people for the job.
He gave statements which directly hurt Pakistan like on the visit to Russia.
He maybe a great man, a great speaker but he was a very incompetent leader .
That's the truth now you can either see his mismanagement all through his tenure or just be mesmerized by his speeches which basically do nothing for the country.

Look we had Zardari and Nawaz ruling in turn, IK talked about reforms, he wanted to help the poor and he actually did through insaaf card (same as Benazir Income support), he gave hope to the youth, united them on being Pakistanis. we had hopes he will make big changes and over the decade change Pakistan. No doubt he had establishment help, but without their support he wasn't going to get in power, Nawaz and Zardari are big time players.

His mistakes after his removal are too much, he ended up like a typical desi and went all emotional and destroyed all relations with the establishment. The establishment in turn had to break all laws in order to take control and they did just that. The biggest loss is for common Pakistanis. Today all Pakistanis have to beg MNAs for justice since the judiciary, police and lawyers will not give justice, we had hopes on independent judiciary, power devolved to the people.

 

[marj786]

Look we had Zardari and Nawaz ruling in turn, IK talked about reforms, he wanted to help the poor and he actually did through insaaf card (same as Benazir Income support), he gave hope to the youth, united them on being Pakistanis. we had hopes he will make big changes and over the decade change Pakistan. No doubt he had establishment help, but without their support he wasn't going to get in power, Nawaz and Zardari are big time players.

His mistakes after his removal are too much, he ended up like a typical desi and went all emotional and destroyed all relations with the establishment. The establishment in turn had to break all laws in order to take control and they did just that. The biggest loss is for common Pakistanis. Today all Pakistanis have to beg MNAs for justice since the judiciary, police and lawyers will not give justice, we had hopes on independent judiciary, power developed to the people.

I agree with you in all this and I get that you may still consider him a great man but when I look at his mistakes I only see a very small man with an inflated ego

 

[PakAl]

I agree with you in all this and I get that you may still consider him a great man but when I look at his mistakes I only see a very small man with an inflated ego

That's all Pakistani politicians, generals, judges, MNAs for you, local village mafias are the same, even a poor man who becomes a millionaire will have an attitude and big ego. His mistakes was as brother @Signalian mentioned years ago, At this level you must always use diplomacy but after becoming PM he was exactly the same, he made enemity with everyone. This is psychology, if you make fun of a waiter, one day you will make fun of your friends sitting next to you if they become waiters, IK and PTI members attacked Pmln leaders, PPP leaders, Mqm leaders, JUI leaders, we all loved it but then the target changed to the military leadership. It becomes a habit. I jointed twitter like a year ago and shared few stupid photos and a mod told me off, I didn't realise it was bad but when told off I accepted it. My point is at times we get in to a habit without thinking, unconsciously.

When IK wasn't being arrested people on PDF and social media used to say military is scared, they started jail bharo tehreek and now complaining pti leaders are in jail. I understand in politics this happens but they went over the top.

After IK removal he should have stayed calm, tried to amend relations with the establishment and opposition, slowly get back in the game of politics. Today he is in jail and it doesn't benefit Pakistanis so what is the point. The establishment also failed, they lost control of IK and couldn't counter his narrative, they then had to break every law to take back control, trample on the constitution of Pakistan.

These are the facts both military and PTI fans will never accept. In reality Pakistan is a weak uneducated state, we are vulnerable, it will take us till 2050+ to reach current Malaysia Turkey level, both are stable nations. Pakistan should have stayed under 1 party rule of Pml Muhammad Ali Jinnah one, none of these 100 stupid political parties, the blackmailing, lies, billions wasted on elections, what is the point of elections when it's all fitna and chaos, who is going to care about Pakistan and progress when everyone worried about their kursi.

 

[marj786]

That's all Pakistani politicians, generals, judges, MNAs for you, local village mafias are the same, even a poor man who becomes a millionaire will have an attitude and big ego. His mistakes was as brother @Signalian mentioned years ago, At this level you must always use diplomacy but after becoming PM he was exactly the same, he made enemity with everyone. This is psychology, if you make fun of a waiter, one day you will make fun of your friends sitting next to you if they become waiters, IK and PTI members attacked Pmln leaders, PPP leaders, Mqm leaders, JUI leaders, we all loved it but then the target changed to the military leadership. It becomes a habit. I jointed twitter like a year ago and shared few stupid photos and a mod told me off, I didn't realise it was bad but when told off I accepted it. My point is at times we get in to a habit without thinking, unconsciously.

When IK wasn't being arrested people on PDF and social media used to say military is scared, they started jail bharo tehreek and now complaining pti leaders are in jail. I understand in politics this happens but they went over the top.

After IK removal he should have stayed calm, tried to amend relations with the establishment and opposition, slowly get back in the game of politics. Today he is in jail and it doesn't benefit Pakistanis so what is the point. The establishment also failed, they lost control of IK and couldn't counter his narrative, they then had to break every law to take back control, trample on the constitution of Pakistan.

These are the facts both military and PTI fans will never accept. In reality Pakistan is a weak uneducated state, we are vulnerable, it will take us till 2050+ to reach current Malaysia Turkey level, both are stable nations. Pakistan should have stayed under 1 party rule of Pml Muhammad Ali Jinnah one, none of these 100 stupid political parties, the blackmailing, lies, billions wasted on elections, what is the point of elections when it's all fitna and chaos, who is going to care about Pakistan and progress when everyone worried about their kursi.

True brother

 

[PakAl]

Well I am not PTI supporter, I only support free Imran Khan , end the military interference in Pakistani politics and foreign policy. and what we raise in 1979 , same clan we are dealing now. as the solution those who raise these terrorist , nurture them and use them, can better answer . We fought Afghan wars , PTI came in power for hardly 3 years. What you expect from them. They need peace in there province. Let Tribal elder of restive zone sit with these faction. What happened to billions rupee border fencing ? .

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-08/pakistan-is-said-to-add-60-000-troops-to-patrol-afghan-border

Pakistan-Afghanistan border fence, a step in the right direction

The border barrier will decrease the number of cross-border attacks, but more needs to be done to secure the region.

www.aljazeera.com

Back in the days Pmln used to get blamed for being pro Taliban, even international media used to say Nawaz Sharif is pro extremists, I myself always opposed Pmln support for extremist parties, Pmln opposed military operations all the way till the end when debate was going on in the parliament and Raheel Sharif already ordered the operations, then Pmln government approved it. PPP, ANP, Sunni ulema and Shia ulema openly opposed TTP and got slaughtered whilst Pmln was spared.

Today the same propaganda is used against PTI, It's not true in my opinion, PTI rules KPK, they need to slowly bring peace, if they declare war on ttp then watch how Pti leaders and followers will be targeted and our rulers will be laughing to the bank, they aim to trap PTI, otherwise even if PTI is finished TTP will exist, during Mushraff time we had MMA ruling KPK and they were also blamed for being pro TTP.

Regarding dealing with TTP, PTI chief is wrong, he gives no info on if he is willing to allow ttp to rule tribal areas, remove all army and security forces from tribal areas, all he keeps repeating is we need to talk/negotiate, I sense some politics in his statements but one fact is he always wanted talks and settlement rather than operations, even before becoming PM so why allow him and support him. Typical desi mentality with lack of vision.

 

[PakAl]

I agree with you in all this and I get that you may still consider him a great man but when I look at his mistakes I only see a very small man with an inflated ego

The reason i said he is good man is he speaks for the common person, maybe its populist politics but as a nation the poor have no hope, noone cares for the weak and poor, he tried to get youth in to politics, gave people chances, he reformed Pakistan politics, came out with 100 of new ideas. This is because millions of youth were involved rather than oldies from 1980s n 1990s. This is natural process aswell, the youth want different leadership with modern thinking, leaders who show respect to youth rather than 1990s politicians who except you to Polish their shoes.

IK should stay as supreme leader of PTI but give the power to a PTI core committe, let them decide policies and play politics, IK at 73 can see how his party will be after he is gone, he can just take the back seat and spend him time with family and welfare of poor people.

Imagine army rule is finished, civilians take power and our corrupt politicians will probably sell of our nukes, this is why Pakistan is a security state, we face existential threat.

 

[uknwit]

PTI is one of the illegitimate children of DHA builders like ppp, mqm, noon league, TTP, tlp. Be honest and accept that Imran khan is also a najaiz-aulad of the military establishment who rebelled like bhutto, Nawaz and Altaf. Nothing new with Imran Niazi...he's an ordinary test tube baby of DHA builders.

I agree with you a 100% non off the DHA builders expirements were ever successful and always came back to bite us. But they never took the blame instead always put the blames on the expirements that went rogue (started to think themselves).

And that is why i say its time to stop them and make them admit their faults throw them back in to their domain and punish each and everyone who is alive and responsible (let the dead be judged by the history). Rewrite military education let their mistake be a part of our history books so it could never be repeated ever again.

 

[uknwit]

All these 600K goons take a jhooti kasam (oath) in front of Allah and then break it.
Then when they are knocked off they think they are shaheeds. Just listen to their
oath taking ceremony.

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I dont believe at all that all 600k are part of it. No 99% are best men a country could ask for they are brave men, patriotic men, Mens we are indebted to but there are bad eggs not more than maybe a few dozens at most and the reason we have them everytime is because the institution was never held accountable for what they did or for their mistakes and when you are not accountable you get infinite power and power corrupts. Thats the crux of it.


If Yahya was held accounatable and made an example out of we wouldn't have Ayub. If Zia didn't die a dogs death and instead was hanged we would have never had Mushi. Same if we dont put Bajwa and Muneera in their place the cycle will never stop and we have to break the cycle one way or the other sooner or later in order to have a permanent solution in order to really Become a Democratic Repliblic of Pakistan and inorder to really become free.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

If Yahya was held accounatable and made an example out of we wouldn't have Ayub. If Zia didn't die a dogs death and instead was hanged we would have never had Mushi. Same if we dont put Bajwa and Muneera in their place the cycle will never stop and we have to break the cycle one way or the other sonner or later in order to have a permanent solution in order to really Become a Democratic Repliblic of Pakistan and inorder to really become free.

Alas that chance has been missed multiple times, by PPP and recently by PTI when in power the attention was to stay on the same page.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

And that is why i say its time to stop them and make them admit their faults throw them back in to their domain and punish each and everyone who is alive and responsible (let the dead be judged by the history). Rewrite military education let their mistake be a part of our history books so it could never be repeated ever again.

Agreed but for that reason, any true political party must refuse the coalition with chance parties and the inclusion of opportunist politicians just to get to power. parties that have done that to get into power at all costs (even for once) must be held responsible and explain why they made deals with the establishment and then write a code of conduct and stick to it.
Once in power, write a code of conduct for military and civilian bureaucracy and have it debated and passed in both houses and make the military adapt it.

 

[uknwit]

Alas that chance has been missed multiple times, by PPP and recently by PTI when in power the attention was to stay on the same page.

Agreed but for that reason, any true political party must refuse the coalition with chance parties and the inclusion of opportunist politicians just to get to power. parties that have done that to get into power at all costs (even for once) must be held responsible and explain why they made deals with the establishment and then write a code of conduct and stick to it.
Once in power, write a code of conduct for military and civilian bureaucracy and have it debated and passed in both houses and make the military adapt it.

I agree with you but i dont believe that they could have done it i mean look at the PTI before Vote of no confidence they started to think on their own and thats when the problems started.

But i do agree with you that its on the political parties to decide but i dont see that will in any of them except for one right now whether they are doing this for revenge or not, right now i think we should have just a 1 point agenda that is to throw the rogue institution back into their own domain even if that means i have vote for IK again just so he can do that.

I will vote for some one else the next time once that agenda is achieved through them

 

[HAIDER]

Listen first before criticizing please

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[F.O.X]

Pakistan has long struggled to maintain a steady path toward political and economic stability. Yet, every time the nation seems to move closer to balance, Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) appears as a disruptive force, prioritizing agitation and confrontation over constructive politics.​

PTI’s rise to power in 2018 was not purely a result of grassroots political strength or democratic evolution. It was widely understood that the Establishment played a crucial role in facilitating its ascent, shaping the political environment to favor PTI and its leadership. This engineered rise, rather than strengthening democratic institutions, created divisions within the political framework and undermined public trust in the electoral process.

Once in power, PTI’s governance failed to deliver on its central promises of accountability and economic revival. Instead, the country faced rising inflation, deteriorating investor confidence, and a sharp decline in institutional coordination. The party often chose confrontation over cooperation, alienating allies and deepening rifts with opposition parties. The political environment became more polarized than ever, with parliamentary sessions dominated by walkouts, accusations, and theatrics rather than policymaking.

A particularly troubling aspect of PTI’s approach has been its repeated sympathy toward the Taliban. During a period when Pakistan was struggling to rebuild peace after years of militancy, PTI’s rhetoric and stance often appeared to legitimize extremist elements. This attitude not only weakened national consensus against militancy but also risked undoing years of hard-earned security gains. History has shown that any tolerance or alignment with such forces inevitably backfires, destabilizing Pakistan internally and damaging its global reputation.

Even after losing power, PTI’s political strategy has revolved around confrontation rather than constructive engagement. Protests, civil disobedience, and public campaigns against state institutions have kept the nation in a constant state of political tension. At times when Pakistan urgently needs unity to address economic and governance challenges, PTI has chosen disruption over dialogue.

The cycle is now familiar: when Pakistan starts stabilizing politically or economically, PTI finds a new reason to ignite confrontation, whether through street protests, institutional clashes, or populist narratives. This persistent instability has discouraged foreign investment, disrupted governance, and weakened public confidence in democratic continuity.

For Pakistan to move forward, political maturity and institutional respect must take precedence over personal ambition and populist unrest. Until PTI learns to function as a responsible political actor accepting democratic processes, respecting institutions, and avoiding alignment with destabilizing forces—the cycle of chaos is likely to continue, at great cost to the nation.

 

[Fatman17]

Nooni BS

 

[F.O.X]

Nooni BS

you can either refute something or present an counter argument. these one liners dont suit you.