Pakistan-Af: Operation Khyber Storm

[hasssanali8998]

India will do no such thing, on the other hand believe it or not I'm sceptical of some chinese arms dealers trying to make a quick buck off of the Afghans... Pak should notify the Chinese ambassadors that some of their citizens may try this. Some minerals for some mortars..

no not really China is way too secure for that to happen

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

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[Signalian]

They are still denying everything.

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Taliban will never control TTP as TTP is the strongest faction right now in Afghanistan, so Taliban will not oppose them. Taliban are working as one with TTP.

 

[gamaji]

I agree with what you have said. The matter of the fact is that Afghanistan will never give up its claim on Pakistan’s territory. That has been proved by its history since 1947. The only solution to this menace is an adjustment to the Durand line to create a more natural, viable, and defendable Pak-Afghan border.

We must not forget that Afghanistan was the last country to accept Pakistan as a free and sovereign state. However, Afghanistan’s rulers, be it the kings, presidents, or warlords like Taliban, have never missed any opportunity to occupy Pakistan’s territory by force, sometimes committing naked aggression by lashkars and other times by using terrorism. Afghanistan was always supported by anti-Pakistan states like the erstwhile USSR and India.

Pakistan’s active role in Afghanistan effectively started after Soviet’s 1979 invasion and occupation of Afghanistan. Since Soviets came into Afghanistan with dreams of reaching to warm waters of Arabian Sea, Pakistan was vulnerable to be the next victim of the Soviets. It's worth mentioning that the communism was then globally advancing while the western ‘imperialism’ was on the retreat after suffering defeat after defeat in Europe, Asia, Africa, and even in South America in 1960s and 70s. Pakistan firm stand against the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan and an effective launch of Afghan resistance/Jihad against the Soviet occupiers in Afghanistan was a pleasant surprise even for the west, especially Americans, who considered Afghanistan as the lost cause.

Almost similar scenario developed again in Afghanistan when Nato occupied that country after the Taliban leadership foolishly refused to handover OBL and his cohorts for the nine-eleven terrorist attacks in New York. The people of Afghanistan subsequently paid a heavy price with hundreds of thousand lives and vast death and destruction throughout the country.

Pakistan, in the meantime, also accepted millions of Afghans as refugees and hosted them in the country for several generations. Thes Afghans had all the freedom to move around in Pakistan, establish large businesses, buy real-states, get modern education, and whatnot. After the current gang of criminals, under the leadership a ignorant fool Hibatullah, came to power in Afghanistan, the Afghan refugees were supposed to return to their country; they didn’t and neither the government of Pakistan forced them to do so. Pakistan decided to send these Afghanistanis back only after the government of Pakistan, to its horror, found that many of these ‘refugees’ are involved in heinous crimes, terrorist activities, and large-scale smuggling, especially of dollars to Afghanistan, systematically trying to weaken Pakistan from inside. The state of Pakistan then started showing some seriousness in dealing with the Afghan plague.

Pakistan, as recently mentioned by Pak defense minister, has made numerous attempts to engage the Taliban regime for addressing Pakistan’s concerns but to no avail. If anything, more and more Afghan nationals were sent to Pakistan for suicide bombings and an evil alliance with India rapidly emerged. That alliance appears solely to target Pakistan with large scale terrorist attacks on Pakistan’s western border and military aggression of eastern one.

Pakistan soon realized that all excuses offered by Taliban regime are merely lies and that Pakistan was, in fact, under a coordinated attack from two fronts. Taliban regime is, in fact, consistently pursuing the decades’ old goal to occupy Pakistan’s territory and finds the current times quite opportune for realizing that dream. What Pakistan does with any Indian aggression is another topic but the time for dealing with this consistently lingering issue of greater Afghanistan is now. The only question is how far Pakistan should go.

 

[r3alist]

@That_Guy

As it is, Pakistan is literally the only nation keeping Indian borders safe from the taliban, both Afghan and Pakistani.

Correct, sir! I have written on the same lines in this thread-lost somewhere in the 500 plus pages. And that is why I maintain that it is in interest of both IND and PAK to come to a modus vivendi in Kashmir.

Regards

I wonder how pragmatic the afghan's are with respect to Indian involvement or assistance

Indians of course know better than to invest too much or create too many dependencies with the Taliban, knowing that one day it could spiral out of their control


Furthermore, both sides have made serious ideological compromises to meet with the other.

To realise upside more than just nuisance level will require quite a bit of time and investment

If this alliance just fades away it will kind of leave both sides feeling empty.....

 

[Signalian]

India will do no such thing, on the other hand believe it or not I'm sceptical of some chinese arms dealers trying to make a quick buck off of the Afghans... Pak should notify the Chinese ambassadors that some of their citizens may try this. Some minerals for some mortars..

Han you are right. Why should India help Taliban.

 

[That_Guy]

India will help Taliban use SCUDS, not Russia.

India will arrange parts and other related equipment from black market or other sources to make them operational.

That's also an option. Still, the talibs don't have a lot of them, maybe a few dozen at most. Even if refurbished, they'd be foolish to use them in a war that doesn't involve them getting fully invaded.

 

[maxpane]

Taliban will never control TTP as TTP is the strongest faction right now in Afghanistan, so Taliban will not oppose them. Taliban are working as one with TTP.

sir what your view how to handle it? do you think dialogue has place ?

 

[NA71]

Pakistan should immediately get Durand line converted to International Boarders....to end Afghans dreaming

 

[Signalian]

their TELs were on trucks , and do you seriously believe them

I believe that Indian will never let go any opportunity to damage Pakistan in any possible way it can.

 

[That_Guy]

They are still denying everything.

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If they have no control, then Pakistan is justified in attacking those elements.

If they do have control, then Pakistan is still justified in attacking those elements, but now also the afghan taliban.

 

[Signalian]

sir what your view how to handle it? do you think dialogue has place ?

Talks will fail or even if some agreement is reached, Taliban cannot control TTP. India has invested a hell lot in Taliban and TTP.

 

[maxpane]

Talks will fail or even if some agreement is reached, Taliban cannot control TTP. India has invested a hell lot in Taliban and TTP.

so we like it or not war is the only option

 

[hasssanali8998]

I believe that Indian will never let go any opportunity to damage Pakistan in any possible way it can.

agree but again as i said before , it will immensely difficult to bypass our agents in the Afghan government and if India is caught supplying missiles to afghan that would be a diplomatic disaster and would complexly shatter their position of Pakistan supporting terror inside India

 

[RandomThoughts7]

Pakistan should immediately get Durand line converted to International Boarders....to end Afghans dreaming

Hi, only after moving the border west a bit and also seizing the Wahkan corridor. My thoughts only...