PAF J-10CE News, Updates and Discussion

[Ak01]

They have all been upgraded to block 2 now and their is no reason to phase them out

really?

how did you magically re fresh their airframes?

They have all been upgraded to block 2 now and their is no reason to phase them out

what is a block 2 upgrade other than new radar lru?

 

[hussain0216]

really?

how did you magically re fresh their airframes?


what is a block 2 upgrade other than new radar lru?

We've been flying mirages for decades, F16s since the 1980s

The point is we really don't have the finance to get rid of everything without having a replacement, maybe we will find a funding source and maybe we can do that

But with the JF17s block 2s are at least relatively modern fighters and BVR capable and with ground radar and EW support can still be useful, especially against targets to the west

 

[Ak01]

We've been flying mirages for decades, F16s since the 1980s

The point is we really don't have the finance to get rid of everything without having a replacement, maybe we will find a funding source and maybe we can do that

But with the JF17s block 2s are at least relatively modern fighters and BVR capable and with ground radar and EW support can still be useful, especially against targets to the west

the age of an aircraft has literally zero to do with how much life it has left in it.

the mirages are a perfect example of what im saying though. new wings, new spars etc etc.

 

[Cipher212]

What military value do the PG's have? What can they do? Appreciate they are "young", but the nature of war has changed so much recently, I am struggling to see where/how Pakistan can/will actually use them against India ?

Limited point defense within own territory. Doing what the Ukie F-16s are doing.

 

[Aziqbal]

Is there any confirmation of receiving new Remaining J10 C on order after 20 /22 planes? Many social media sources are claiming of receiving new batch.

all 20 units serve the No.15 Squadron 33rd Tactical Wing

first 6 were 22-101 to 22-106

the highest number we have seen is 22-119 although it is widely believed that 22-120 exists

I have never heard we have 22 units

we did contract for 25 x J10CP + optional 11 x J10CP

however things change and I dont think we are going for 36 units as planned

however things all changed again on 7th May so I think for sure we should order more J10CP along with the 240 x PL-15E air to air missiles considering we have probably fired a lot of those during the war

 

[Cipher212]

all 20 units serve the No.15 Squadron 33rd Tactical Wing

first 6 were 22-101 to 22-106

the highest number we have seen is 22-119 although it is widely believed that 22-120 exists

I have never heard we have 22 units

we did contract for 25 x J10CP + optional 11 x J10CP

however things change and I dont think we are going for 36 units as planned

however things all changed again on 7th May so I think for sure we should order more J10CP along with the 240 x PL-15E air to air missiles considering we have probably fired a lot of those during the war

Just going off purely on a vibe and what I saw scrolling twitter. I doubt we fired more than 20 PL-15s.

 

[MH.Yang]

The J-35 is not as fast as imagined. Please consider the issue of the J-35 from the perspective of China.

China' 6G fighter project has been tested many times. At the normal speed, China will enter the era of 6G fighters in the 2030s, and 5G fighters will gradually stop entering the PLAAF.

Therefore, the window period for the J-35 to join the Chinese Air Force is only about 5 to 7. In such a short period of time, the SAC will inevitably supply the PLAAF with as many J-35s as possible, and then it will be provided other customers.

Moreover, India does not have the ability to obtain 5G fighters quickly, and Pakistan is not in a hurry either. Therefore, I believe that the PAF obtain the J-35 in the 2030s.

 

[meh_analysis]

That also is a misnomer -
Unless the fighter has architecture that allows this or more so the change is “minimal” in terms of the focus only being on overall fuselage design for engine such ad F-5 to F-20 anything else becomes a completely different aircraft.

You should see what it took to design the Mirage 4000.

Yeah basically. The JF-17 would require a lot of upgrades in sensor and radar package to justify the cost of making it a twin engine. That's why a twin engine JF-17 is possible but realistically, it would also require new systems which would ultimately make it a different aircraft. Tbh that's what I meant, I just did a lot mental gymnastics cuz it's my first time engaging people who know stuff.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

The J-35 is not as fast as imagined. Please consider the issue of the J-35 from the perspective of China.

China' 6G fighter project has been tested many times. At the normal speed, China will enter the era of 6G fighters in the 2030s, and 5G fighters will gradually stop entering the PLAAF.

Therefore, the window period for the J-35 to join the Chinese Air Force is only about 5 to 7. In such a short period of time, the SAC will inevitably supply the PLAAF with as many J-35s as possible, and then it will be provided other customers.

Moreover, India does not have the ability to obtain 5G fighters quickly, and Pakistan is not in a hurry either. Therefore, I believe that the PAF obtain the J-35 in the 2030s.

Top speed doesn't matter in combat but acceleration/agility and maneuverability matter most, almost all 4.5th have top speed under Mach 2 like Rafale/Gripen and J-10C/B

And your assessment on Chinese 6th gen jets is ridiculous and funny, Chinese 6th gen jets will not come in full potential in 2035-2038 and Chinese 6th gen jets will extremely expensive to operate and maintain in comparison to your 5th gen jets (3-4 time more expensive to operate than 5th gen jets) 6th gen jets are fewer number than 5th gen jets in PLAAF and gradually replace your 5th gen jets rather than in 5-7 year time frame

and stick to the topic, this thread is for PAF's J-10C not J-35 or Chinese 6th gen jets, you're reported for off-topic discussion

 

[MH.Yang]

Regardless of what happened to Rafale in May'25 and the outcome of Mirage 4000, then French definitely know how make absolutely good looking combat jets.

Even the Super Etendard had its class.

The little nose is indeed very beautiful, but it can't install a large radar.

 

[ARMalik]

Indonesia and BD are buying J-10s all thanks to Pakistan. Pakistan needs to demand commission from China for making J-10s a household name.

 

[rafale]

That also is a misnomer -
Unless the fighter has architecture that allows this or more so the change is “minimal” in terms of the focus only being on overall fuselage design for engine such ad F-5 to F-20 anything else becomes a completely different aircraft.

You should see what it took to design the Mirage 4000.

Regardless of what happened to Rafale in May'25 and the outcome of Mirage 4000, then French definitely know how make absolutely good looking combat jets.

Even the Super Etendard had its class.

 

[ghazi52]

 

[studsmart]

Including the next batch is paf eyeing total 46 or 36 j10c when all said and done .... any idea?

 

[m52k85]

Including the next batch is paf eyeing total 46 or 36 j10c when all said and done .... any idea?

Ask @Fatman17, he said next batch has been approved and ordered.