India Lucky Not To Lose More Than Four Rafales

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

have you seen videos and photos uploaded by Indians thenselves? the repeated pictures shared by international media as well? and their own politicians confirming the Indian losses?

I guess thats more than enough and we have now moved on. we will love to see that Indians remain in denial and beleive the fantasy of destorying J-10s, F-16s, AWACS and JF-17s just like they beleived the fantasy of Abhinandan shoting down the F-16 with his savage mustache . they have Bollywood by their side and Internet army alone which is bigger than the entire popluations of many countries combined. this is why they are offering training to british airforce now.

Dear Sir,
The Indian individual acknowledged the losses of one Rafale, one Mirage 2000, one Su-30 MKI, and one MiG-29, for which videos and evidence are available. He requested evidence for the additional three Rafales for which I stated there is no evidence as such we have for the four as of now. My position is not that I firmly believe only four aircraft were shot down. However, since the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) initially claimed five kills, with evidence supporting four, I find their claim of seven kills more credible, as it aligns with the available evidence.
This was the context of the discussion, during which another individual shared my profile, suggesting I may not be Pakistani. Regarding the Indian Air Force (IAF) claims, I consider them baseless. The only confirmed incidents, as admitted in an early ISPR press conference, were minor damage to Nur Khan and Karachi Bholari bases and slight damage to one AWACS. All other IAF claims are unfounded.

 

[studsmart]

R-37 == for export is == RVV-BD missile with a range of 200 km. Just assume India gets the same version as the Russian Air Force. Its range will be a maximum of 400 km, but Russia has not exported it to even China. This range is for 4th gen fighter not 4.5 or 5th gen. with J35 this range is useless. With all russian equipment and max range that is never achieved.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

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[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

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This part is probably the most exaggerated claim that PAF is making (might I add PAF fanboys more than PAF). No evidence at all - nothing remotely as convincing as destroyed hangars and structures at PAF facilities or Radar installations burn marks etc.

A rather fabricated, far fetched combination of cherry picked images, bayaan and what not are being used to propagate this myth

 

[flyingorca]

R-37 == for export is == RVV-BD missile with a range of 200 km. Just assume India gets the same version as the Russian Air Force. Its range will be a maximum of 400 km, but Russia has not exported it to even China. This range is for 4th gen fighter not 4.5 or 5th gen. with J35 this range is useless. With all russian equipment and max range that is never achieved.

Even Russia has not shot down Ukrainian fighter jets at max range. I think the record is 230km.

 

[Yasser76]

This part is probably the most exaggerated claim that PAF is making (might I add PAF fanboys more than PAF). No evidence at all - nothing remotely as convincing as destroyed hangars and structures at PAF facilities or Radar installations burn marks etc.

A rather fabricated, far fetched combination of cherry picked images, bayaan and what not are being used to propagate this myth

So injured and dead S-400 operators were just our imagination?

The IAF handed them awards.

Again, you spread disinfo on here disguised as debate

 

[samsite84]

So injured and dead S-400 operators were just our imagination?

The IAF handed them awards.

Again, you spread disinfo on here disguised as debate

So you took out the entire S-400 battery and only one injured and one dead? By that count there were 5 PAF personnel dead in the attack on Bholari it was. Must be loss of a AWACS and 5-6 planes...

You see how logic cuts both ways...

 

[Yasser76]

So you took out the entire S-400 battery and only one injured and one dead? By that count there were 5 PAF personnel dead in the attack on Bholari it was. Must be loss of a AWACS and 5-6 planes...

You see how logic cuts both ways...

Absolutely not, PAF admitted to damaged aircraft on that attack, and we admitted to deaths straight away.

IAF has only just come out with the injured and the awards (7 months later) and still not revealed any equipment loss.

PAF did this on day 2.

Pakistan has come out and asked anyone to count number of planes of both air forces and allowed AFM to rome around its air bases for a month just a couple of weeks after the skirmish

You love logic so much, wrap your head around that....

 

[samsite84]

Absolutely not, PAF admitted to damaged aircraft on that attack, and we admitted to deaths straight away.

IAF has only just come out with the injured and the awards (7 months later) and still not revealed any equipment loss.

PAF did this on day 2.

Pakistan has come out and asked anyone to count number of planes of both air forces and allowed AFM to rome around its air bases for a month just a couple of weeks after the skirmish

You love logic so much, wrap your head around that....

Again cherry picking at its best.

Pakistan also conferred medal post Sindoor (think it was August or something) not right in the middle. So to say India woke up from slumber is just wrong. There are procedures and they were followed. So the argument of "7 months" doesn't hold water.

And India also revealed the cause of death of 1 and injury to another - just that it doesn't suit your interpretation

Broader question is: In what world does PAF saying AWACS is damaged and it can be repaired even though 5 airmen lost lives stand true while at the same time India's claim that no S-400 was hit even though 1 person was injured and maybe 1 dead (though this is murky) not hold? Double standards much

 

[Yasser76]

Again cherry picking at its best.

Pakistan also conferred medal post Sindoor (think it was August or something) not right in the middle. So to say India woke up from slumber is just wrong. There are procedures and they were followed. So the argument of "7 months" doesn't hold water.

And India also revealed the cause of death of 1 and injury to another - just that it doesn't suit your interpretation

Broader question is: In what world does PAF saying AWACS is damaged and it can be repaired even though 5 airmen lost lives stand true while at the same time India's claim that no S-400 was hit even though 1 person was injured and maybe 1 dead (though this is murky) not hold? Double standards much

No, you are deliberately now muddying the waters.

Simple question, has India admitted to any losses of equipment? = No

Has Pakistan = Yes.

Indian story on it's epic failure went from

1) Lack of intel on PAF
2) Poltitical restraints
3) No Meteor
4) China helped


Changing all the time. PAF has been consistent. No losses, and 6-0, later updated to 7-0 plus UAV.

No "procedures" were followed, you are making stuff up in a desperate attempt to shore up a losing arguement. Doval on record as saying "not even a windo damaged" and next we see IAF airmen with plastic arms.

No on globally is buying this shit bar Modi fans.

 

[samsite84]

No, you are deliberately now muddying the waters.

Simple question, has India admitted to any losses of equipment? = No

Has Pakistan = Yes.

Indian story on it's epic failure went from

1) Lack of intel on PAF
2) Poltitical restraints
3) No Meteor
4) China helped


Changing all the time. PAF has been consistent. No losses, and 6-0, later updated to 7-0 plus UAV.

No "procedures" were followed, you are making stuff up in a desperate attempt to shore up a losing arguement. Doval on record as saying "not even a windo damaged" and next we see IAF airmen with plastic arms.

No on globally is buying this shit bar Modi fans.

Really? The early 4-0, became 6-0, now 7-0. So why did that the number change every so often.

The fact of 4 losses for IAF has been discussed at length. Any more -> no clear OSINT evidence available. I will leave at that.

On India's story -> Its a multitude of issues/factors all of which you have mentioned. That is how "real world" works - many things (often contradictory) working at the same time.

All in all, we have evidence of 3 IAF jets (give or take), 1-2 some evidence, no credible for anything else including S-400.

On PAF side, 1 AWACS damage for sure, might be lost, number of installations hit and above all many terrorist strongholds taken out.

You can shout all you want, I will continue to point inconsistencies and double standards many members (including you) apply when it comes to judging damage, outcomes etc.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

So you took out the entire S-400 battery and only one injured and one dead? By that count there were 5 PAF personnel dead in the attack on Bholari it was. Must be loss of a AWACS and 5-6 planes...

You see how logic cuts both ways...

no sir, for first 80 days, there was no ack. of any dead or injured, "no glass panes were broken"

which version of your truth is correct?!

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Really? The early 4-0, became 6-0, now 7-0. So why did that the number change every so often.

The fact of 4 losses for IAF has been discussed at length. Any more -> no clear OSINT evidence available. I will leave at that.

On India's story -> Its a multitude of issues/factors all of which you have mentioned. That is how "real world" works - many things (often contradictory) working at the same time.

All in all, we have evidence of 3 IAF jets (give or take), 1-2 some evidence, no credible for anything else including S-400.

On PAF side, 1 AWACS damage for sure, might be lost, number of installations hit and above all many terrorist strongholds taken out.

You can shout all you want, I will continue to point inconsistencies and double standards many members (including you) apply when it comes to judging damage, outcomes etc.

we went beyond that and provided tail numbers!