Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Persian Gulf]

They are basically JCPOA 2.0 talks that happened under Obama. Far from normalization. The only reason Vance is there is because Rubio doesn’t want to touch this radioactive deal with a 12 foot pole before 2028 elections and Iran hates talking to Witkoff and Jared.

the MOU refers to the lifting of all sanctions, including primary sanctions. the JCPOA only lifted secondary sanctions. so this new deal, while based on the JCPOA, seems to go much further (possibly in both ways).

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

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US oil reserves fall to lowest level since 1983

But......but.....

 

[unconventional]

Israel may not be in some 'existential threat' right now but by now it is hard to find any analyst giving the recent war a spin to make Israel came out ahead! Israelis are alarmed and in deep gloom! If the MOU and subsequent was so meaningless you seem to imply then the Israelis and their surrogates in America wouldn't be breast beating and wouldn't be trying to sabotage the MOU and its consequences.

As to the IAEA inspections: I don't think Iran has any issues with them.

I don’t think the Israelis came out ahead, I think the Iranians came out ahead for sure. But my point was this deal, or the April ceasefire or the JCPOA were not against Israel (anti Israeli), they were against Netanyahu and his imperialist interests yes.

 

[Meengla]

It doesn’t matter, MAGA ie Trump has way more power in this Congress than Obama ever did when he tried to push JCPOA.
Republicans will ultimately fall in line because this is Trump’s foreign policy achievement. You might have some APAIC crazy congressmen (Ted Cruz) who will dissent. But at the end of the day, most Republican congressman don’t have the balls to stand against Trump. Especially with mid terms coming up and gas prices needing to fall.

Right. Plus there are many in the Democratic Party who would vote along with the Republicans. There are some Democrats who, due to the automatic opposition to any Republican initiatives or the AIPAC money, will oppose Trump's legislation over the Middle East but I think many would support Trump or abstain during voting. Speaking of which, I am not seeing Bernie Sanders or Chris Van Hoellen opposed to the MOU.

 

[unconventional]

Strategically Iran has played a blinder. They have helmed in plans for any greater Israel that goes north, Egypt blocks them to the south.

My worry is they will try and placate their zeolots and extremists by annexing all of Gaza and West Bank. This is all they have left. It can be the price to be paid for peace in Iran and Lebanon will be to release the Israeli pit bull against the Palestinians.

They will try to squeeze the Palestinians further by increasing settlements in The West Bank (they’re already doing that) and increasing the occupation in Gaza; but they cannot make the 5 million Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza disappear into thin air, so they cannot completely annex both territories and ethnically cleanse 5 million Palestinians.

 

[Immortals]

the MOU refers to the lifting of all sanctions, including primary sanctions. the JCPOA only lifted secondary sanctions. so this new deal, while based on the JCPOA, seems to go much further (possibly in both ways).

The US president cannot lift primary sanctions on Iran. He can offer waivers to suspend enforcement for national security reasons and offer targeted exemptions like JCPOA did with Boeing sales and other items. But major U.S. companies aren’t going to invest in Iran based on waivers that can be stopped at any moment.

Iran knew this during JCPOA days as Obama made it clear he didn’t have the votes for a treaty. So Iran expected secondary sanctions removal to be enough to entice the Europeans to invest (which they didn’t).

The US embargo on Iran and federal laws like Iran Sanctions Act (ISA) and Comprehensive Iran Sanctions, Accountability, and Divestment Act (CISADA) would need Congress approval to be repealed.

Maybe Trump thinks he can round up the votes, but seems unlikely unless this becomes a Treaty. If Iran thinks permanent removal of primary sanctions are happening in 60 days (or anytime soon) they are fooling themselves. At best Trump can waive and water down enforcement vis a vi the Treasury.

But none of that will encourage any serious multinational company to jump into Iran. Which was the problem with JCPOA from the onset - lack of foreign investment.

 

[Trailer23]

On a lighter note (just out of humor) ...

If anyone were to see the Thumbnails & Titles on Indian YouTube Channels, they'd die out of laughter.

Indians were killing the deal before the negocations had even begun.

They're (still) discussing JD Vance's comments regarding Asim Munir.

India is certainly feeling the pinch because they've been left outside.

Basically..., this is the image that is haunting the Indians & giving them sleepless nites.

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No wait ...

It might be ...

JD Vance be like: Yo, where's my Hug, hommie?



A few mins later, JD be like: My Man !!!
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[Meengla]

the MOU refers to the lifting of all sanctions, including primary sanctions. the JCPOA only lifted secondary sanctions. so this new deal, while based on the JCPOA, seems to go much further (possibly in both ways).

Right.
And infinitely better than what Iran was willing to concede during the Oman-mediated negotiations before 28th Feb. The sticking point were the Iranians missiles: The Israelis wanted to reduce the number of Iranian missiles and also wanted to reduce the range of the missiles. Of course once Iran was unable to hit Israel back, then a war on Iran would be launched anyway.

 

[Immortals]

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Why are they in Oman now?

 

[maverick]

where is the clown prince of iran and the media coverage? is he still rambling along with Shah of Sunset cast and Pahalavis wannabes of LA ?

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

But how would Pakistan survive an economic attack from the west? ...

Same as always since the 1960s.

That is being smart and not stupid, and making sure Pakistan has enough friends to rely on.

 

[Abdul q]

It's difficult to tell the difference between PTI supporters and butt hurt Indians at the moment

You really don’t wanna start here and then cry and report me when i reply back… we should open our own thread…

 

[tsunset]

where is the clown prince of iran and the media coverage? is he still rambling along with Shah of Sunset cast and Pahalavis wannabes of LA ?

Hes gone silent since the MoU

I think he is worried of being deported to Iran in the deal