Makkah Defence Alliance: Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan, news & updates

Owaiz said:
You are massively overestimating the leverage Pakistan had in Afghanistan, especially after the OBL episode. Also, the regime in power now were supposed to be the good Taliban and expected to be more friendly than the Ghani government that was backed by India.

And there is so comparison between the military situations in Junagadh, Hyderabad and Goa, which were cakewalke for the Indian army, and Kashmir , where Pakistan had to fight the Indian army.
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Pakistan had MASSIVE leverage. The entire American supply line to Afghanistan where they spend $2.5 Trillion over 20 years are almost completely reliant on Pakistani airspace and Pakistani roads and ports to access. Afghanistan is landlocked and cannot be reached, unless someone goes through Iran, Pakistan or the Central Asian state, which requires Russia anyways. Put simply any geopolitical interests in Central Asia for the US dependent on the Pakistani door.

If Pakistan insisted on a Border fence and sealing the border, the US would have been more than Happy as that would have decisively dealt with the insurgency.

As for the matter of Kashmir, Pakistan didn't send its army, it sent Lashkars from Waziristan to keep plausible deniability, to fight and take Kashmir, before it was annexed into India. What should have happened is a public uprising engineered and the neutralization of the Hindu King Hari Singh. The whole thing was half assed and by the time there was a real commitment, the Indian Ascension had happened and India was drawn into the war.
 
PK781 said:
With all due respect and being OFFTOPIC for first paragraph:

There is NO WAY we should go begging for peace to india. Did u ever look at what their entire media barks about daily ? You want to go make peace with a country that wants our blood and to kill Pakistanis and take over our land and make "akhand bharat", they talk how entire kashmir is theirs and want our GilgitBatistan too and they dream about taking over Lahore. Want to stop our Water? !!
Did u forget what they happened in 1965, 1971, 2019, 2025? You still want peace after all that shit? They even refused to shake the hands while playing cricket and other sports. Do you have ANY "ghairat" left?
Over 200,000 Pakistani citizens (and most of them innocent Balochs and Pathans of Balochistan and NWFP) have suffered and gotten killed (Shaheed) due to the insurgencies , ALL FUNDED by your India who u want to peace with.
So many of our priceless soldiers have embraced Shahadah while defending their Pakistani territory, should we brush that away and give them a slap for their sacrifice becase the likes of you want peace with india. ?? They were Baloch and Pathan too, many of them. They wore the Pakistani military uniform.
No matter what you do and give to them, they will NEVER accept you and will only treat u like a begging low scum shit, just like how they treat their own muslim populations.
Better yet, why don't u set an example, pick your entire family and just go live in india, and then show the world how great that peace gesture ends. See if they accept you and your family FIRST.
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I am only suggesting neutralizing India so that we can concentrate on becoming a power in the Middle East. But if Pakistan wants to settle the water issue first then so be it.
 
hyperman said:
Pakistan had MASSIVE leverage. The entire American supply line to Afghanistan where they spend $2.5 Trillion over 20 years are almost completely reliant on Pakistani airspace and Pakistani roads and ports to access. Afghanistan is landlocked and cannot be reached, unless someone goes through Iran, Pakistan or the Central Asian state, which requires Russia anyways. Put simply any geopolitical interests in Central Asia for the US dependent on the Pakistani door.

If Pakistan insisted on a Border fence and sealing the border, the US would have been more than Happy as that would have decisively dealt with the insurgency.

As for the matter of Kashmir, Pakistan didn't send its army, it sent Lashkars from Waziristan to keep plausible deniability, to fight and take Kashmir, before it was annexed into India. What should have happened is a public uprising engineered and the neutralization of the Hindu King Hari Singh. The whole thing was half assed and by the time there was a real commitment, the Indian Ascension had happened and India was drawn into the war.
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You are forgetting that the Afghanistan arrangement was struck by the military dictator Musharraf who was in no position to refuse American demands. If any subsequent government had tried to upend it to squeeze ISAF forces, it could have resulted in direct military conflict with NATO, which India and Israel would also have happily exploited.

As for Kashmir, unlike Hyderabad, Junagadh and Goa, it shared a large border with both India and Pakistan, both of whose armies were commanded by British officers. According to the India Independence Act, the ruler had the absolute right to make a decision and the British commanders had refused to order a pre-emptive invasions. The Lashkars were initially supported by Pakistani officers and soldiers on leave and the Army got formally involved once the Indian army came in after the accession. There was no way that India would not have responded militarily unless the Maharaja had himself acceded to Pakistan. In theory, the same principle applied to Junagadh, but it was militarily indefensible and the Nizam of Hyderabad never acceded to Pakistan and Hyderabad being landlocked and far from Pakistan, could not have been helped in any case.

Goa was a case of a weak imperial power refusing to give Independence to its militarily indefensible colony even after France and UK had left. Even if India had not invaded, the Portuguese would have left after the Carnation Revolution anyway, when they gave up all their other colonial possessions.
 


Russia's Foreign Minister Lavrov:

There is the Mecca Agreement — Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and, accordingly, Türkiye.

Having presented this concept of collective security and a defensive alliance, they emphasize that the doors are open to other countries, and not only to countries located in the Gulf.

Egypt is often mentioned. I am sure that if Algeria shows interest, that too would have a positive effect at some stage.

And if such a structure were also to agree on the conditions under which Iran could participate in this process, I think that would be the most practical step in the direction in which we formulated our own concept.
 
RocketLaw said:


Russia's Foreign Minister Lavrov:

There is the Mecca Agreement — Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and, accordingly, Türkiye.

Having presented this concept of collective security and a defensive alliance, they emphasize that the doors are open to other countries, and not only to countries located in the Gulf.

Egypt is often mentioned. I am sure that if Algeria shows interest, that too would have a positive effect at some stage.

And if such a structure were also to agree on the conditions under which Iran could participate in this process, I think that would be the most practical step in the direction in which we formulated our own concept.
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As some posters said : first build a strong integrated command and control structure with few common army, airforce and navy bases. Then open the doors for others Muslims countries.

* I’m not a military expert but this is what I was dreaming since my teenage years.
 
Vortex said:
As some posters said : first build a strong integrated command and control structure with few common army, airforce and navy bases. Then open the doors for others Muslims countries.

* I’m not a military expert but this is what I was dreaming since my teenage years.
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for sure they need their own secure communication network not relying on Western nations

including satellites
 
According to Linniker Flechamura (one of Brazil's great geopolitical analysts), the KSA-PAK-Turk "pact" is merely a move by the Trump administration (which celebrated the agreement) to help Israel attempt to destroy Iran (its allies) and then control the Middle East.

According to Linniker, Turkey is 110% controlled by Israel and Zionist Jews. Pakistan was lured into and will obey the US for an initial invasion of Yemen, and then war with Iran.

According to Linniker (whose geopolitical analyses are so good they seem like those of a foreteller.), this will result in Israeli dominance over the Middle East, and the fall and weakening of Pakistan, which will be surrounded by new enemies: India, Iran (in this hipotetical future an enemy), Iraq, Yemen (Houthis), Afghanistan (Taliban), etc. (only with China's support). Note that Pakistan chose to attack Afghanistan at the same time that the US/Israel attacked Iran, even though Pakistan could have done this in Afghanistan years ago but chose to do it in the same year, month, and day that the US killed Kamenei, and part of Iran's logistics comes from Afghanistan !

Linniker said that if Pakistan invades Yemen, he will never leave, comparing it to the end of the Ottoman Empire or the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, where they occupied the capital but then the USSR ENDED years later!

Another thing Linniker warned about is the Islamic populations of Turkey and Pakistan (who are pro-Palestinian) and that they will revolt when they see that their governments are working in a bloc aligned with the US and Israel (which only benefits them), which will increase internal repression in these countries. The PTI (acronym for Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf) should suffer more repression but at the same time will gain more popularity because it will become difficult to sustain the myth that PAK is really pro-Islam government.

NOTE: India believes it can profit from this weakening of Pakistan over decades because India is allied with the neoconservatives and Zionists of the US and Israel, while these same neoconservatives and Zionists manipulate Pakistan; this is part of a plan.
 
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Bharatah said:
According to Linniker Flechamura (one of Brazil's great geopolitical analysts), the KSA-PAK-Turk "pact" is merely a move by the Trump administration (which celebrated the agreement) to help Israel attempt to destroy Iran (its allies) and then control the Middle East.

According to Linniker, Turkey is 110% controlled by Israel and Zionist Jews. Pakistan was lured into and will obey the US for an initial invasion of Yemen, and then war with Iran.

According to Linniker (whose geopolitical analyses are so good they seem like those of a foreteller.), this will result in Israeli dominance over the Middle East, and the fall and weakening of Pakistan, which will be surrounded by new enemies: India, Iran (in this hipotetical future an enemy), Iraq, Yemen (Houthis), Afghanistan (Taliban), etc. (only with China's support). Note that Pakistan chose to attack Afghanistan at the same time that the US/Israel attacked Iran, even though Pakistan could have done this in Afghanistan years ago but chose to do it in the same year, month, and day that the US killed Kamenei, and part of Iran's logistics comes from Afghanistan !

Linniker said that if Pakistan invades Yemen, he will never leave, comparing it to the end of the Ottoman Empire or the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, where they occupied the capital but then the USSR ENDED years later!

Another thing Linniker warned about is the Islamic populations of Turkey and Pakistan (who are pro-Palestinian) and that they will revolt when they see that their governments are working in a bloc aligned with the US and Israel (which only benefits them), which will increase internal repression in these countries. The PTI (acronym for Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf) should suffer more repression but at the same time will gain more popularity because it will become difficult to sustain the myth that PAK is really pro-Islam government.

NOTE: India believes it can profit from this weakening of Pakistan over decades because India is allied with the neoconservatives and Zionists of the US and Israel, while these same neoconservatives and Zionists manipulate Pakistan; this is part of a plan.
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This article is written from a very superficial perspective. Maybe everything looks simple from Brazil, but the reality is much more complex. In fact, even the US and Israel are not on the same page; their priorities are different. We know that Zionists have a lot of influence over the US, but they don't have 100% control.

Turkey has been trying to fix its relations with the US for a long time. Right now, it cannot buy any military vehicles because it is under CAATSA sanctions. We are trying to solve this problem by handing over the S-400s.

Israel is uncomfortable with the Turkish presence in Syria. Israeli officials say at every opportunity that the Turkish threat is more dangerous for Israel than Iran. On the other hand, the Turkish president states at every opportunity that Israel is committing genocide, trying to change global perception this way.

Meanwhile, the US is thinking about leaving the region. Maybe in 10 to 15 years, they will have left completely. The US plan is to make peace between regional countries and Israel, but we will see how possible that is. In the end, it seems like Turkey and Israel will face off, but since we are still dependent on the US for engines, we are trying to manage the process for now.
 
Bharatah said:
According to Linniker Flechamura (one of Brazil's great geopolitical analysts), the KSA-PAK-Turk "pact" is merely a move by the Trump administration (which celebrated the agreement) to help Israel attempt to destroy Iran (its allies) and then control the Middle East.

According to Linniker, Turkey is 110% controlled by Israel and Zionist Jews. Pakistan was lured into and will obey the US for an initial invasion of Yemen, and then war with Iran.

According to Linniker (whose geopolitical analyses are so good they seem like those of a foreteller.), this will result in Israeli dominance over the Middle East, and the fall and weakening of Pakistan, which will be surrounded by new enemies: India, Iran (in this hipotetical future an enemy), Iraq, Yemen (Houthis), Afghanistan (Taliban), etc. (only with China's support). Note that Pakistan chose to attack Afghanistan at the same time that the US/Israel attacked Iran, even though Pakistan could have done this in Afghanistan years ago but chose to do it in the same year, month, and day that the US killed Kamenei, and part of Iran's logistics comes from Afghanistan !

Linniker said that if Pakistan invades Yemen, he will never leave, comparing it to the end of the Ottoman Empire or the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, where they occupied the capital but then the USSR ENDED years later!

Another thing Linniker warned about is the Islamic populations of Turkey and Pakistan (who are pro-Palestinian) and that they will revolt when they see that their governments are working in a bloc aligned with the US and Israel (which only benefits them), which will increase internal repression in these countries. The PTI (acronym for Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf) should suffer more repression but at the same time will gain more popularity because it will become difficult to sustain the myth that PAK is really pro-Islam government.

NOTE: India believes it can profit from this weakening of Pakistan over decades because India is allied with the neoconservatives and Zionists of the US and Israel, while these same neoconservatives and Zionists manipulate Pakistan; this is part of a plan.
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So let me understand this masterpiece of "geopolitical analysis".

Turkey is apparently 110% controlled by Israel, Pakistan is controlled by America, America is controlled by Israel, India is allied with Israel, yet somehow all these countries with conflicting interests are secretly following one perfect master plan . meanwhile, Pakistan fighting terrorists in Afghanistan is also proof of a plot against Iran because two events happened around the same time. Brilliant.

Then we jump from a hypothetical Pakistani operation in Yemen to the collapse of the Soviet Union and Ottoman Empire. No evidence, no mechanism, no serious analysis. Just connect random countries, add Israel, Trump, PTI and Zionists, then call it prophecy.

And apparently Pakistan will be “ surrounded” by Yemen and Iraq. Geography also seems to be part of the conspiracy now.

This is not geopolitical analysis. It is WhatsApp University fan fiction dressed up with a Brazilian name. calling someone a foreteller does not make his claims true, i t only confirms that evidence has completely left the discussion.
 
Bharatah said:
According to Linniker Flechamura (one of Brazil's great geopolitical analysts), the KSA-PAK-Turk "pact" is merely a move by the Trump administration (which celebrated the agreement) to help Israel attempt to destroy Iran (its allies) and then control the Middle East.

According to Linniker, Turkey is 110% controlled by Israel and Zionist Jews. Pakistan was lured into and will obey the US for an initial invasion of Yemen, and then war with Iran.

According to Linniker (whose geopolitical analyses are so good they seem like those of a foreteller.), this will result in Israeli dominance over the Middle East, and the fall and weakening of Pakistan, which will be surrounded by new enemies: India, Iran (in this hipotetical future an enemy), Iraq, Yemen (Houthis), Afghanistan (Taliban), etc. (only with China's support). Note that Pakistan chose to attack Afghanistan at the same time that the US/Israel attacked Iran, even though Pakistan could have done this in Afghanistan years ago but chose to do it in the same year, month, and day that the US killed Kamenei, and part of Iran's logistics comes from Afghanistan !

Linniker said that if Pakistan invades Yemen, he will never leave, comparing it to the end of the Ottoman Empire or the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, where they occupied the capital but then the USSR ENDED years later!

Another thing Linniker warned about is the Islamic populations of Turkey and Pakistan (who are pro-Palestinian) and that they will revolt when they see that their governments are working in a bloc aligned with the US and Israel (which only benefits them), which will increase internal repression in these countries. The PTI (acronym for Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf) should suffer more repression but at the same time will gain more popularity because it will become difficult to sustain the myth that PAK is really pro-Islam government.

NOTE: India believes it can profit from this weakening of Pakistan over decades because India is allied with the neoconservatives and Zionists of the US and Israel, while these same neoconservatives and Zionists manipulate Pakistan; this is part of a plan.
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Pakistani perspective: as long as Iran continues to provide India space at Chabahar, logically Pakistan won't appreciate this.

The Mecca pact is absolutely not meant to appease the US or Israel. On the contrary, it is meant as a deterrent against especially Israel. Trump praised the pact, but the rest of the West absolutely rejects the unification of Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Türkiye.
 
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