Afghan Refugees op/ed by Ambassador Tariq Osman Hyder

[Rational Philosopher]

Yes, in ill-educated societies such as Pakistan and Afghanistan. Clearly, denying DNA evidence in rape cases and women their education serves great public and national interests. Like I said, I don't believe you are a valuable participant in this discussion.

More and more ignorant irrelevant rhetoric and no actual substance.

This is an example from the popular voted leader in the US, one of many in the educated western world for the record, who are looking to amend their approach to several issues including the one at hand. Many run their political campaigns based on such.

Trump wants to end birthright citizenship. Where do other countries stand?

The US has historically given automatic citizenship to anyone born in the country, but this principle is not the norm globally.

www.bbc.co.uk

So let me clarify once again, morality is subjective and not the fundamental driver on policy, laws and constitution, but instead public consensus is.

I believe it's you who provides little value here but is unnecessarily egotistical at the same time.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

More and more ignorant irrelevant rhetoric and no actual substance.

This is an example from the popular voted leader in the US, one of many in the educated western world for the record, who are looking to amend their approach to several issues including the one at hand. Many run their political campaigns based on such.

Trump wants to end birthright citizenship. Where do other countries stand?

The US has historically given automatic citizenship to anyone born in the country, but this principle is not the norm globally.

www.bbc.co.uk

So let me clarify once again, morality is subjective and not the fundamental driver on policy, laws and constitution, but instead public consensus is.

I believe it's you who provides little value here but is unnecessarily egotistical at the same time.

Now I can list out even more examples of political campaigns throughout the entire Western world, Anglosphere, and Middle East for laws you may see as "immoral" that exist because of popular consensus, including in otherwise non-illiterate societies, or you could just accept you are wrong.

 

[krash]

I accept your surrender

Whatever helps you get through it, bud.

More and more ignorant irrelevant rhetoric and no actual substance.

This is an example from the popular voted leader in the US, one of many in the educated western world for the record, who are looking to amend their approach to several issues including the one at hand. Many run their political campaigns based on such.

Trump wants to end birthright citizenship. Where do other countries stand?

The US has historically given automatic citizenship to anyone born in the country, but this principle is not the norm globally.

www.bbc.co.uk

So let me clarify once again, morality is subjective and not the fundamental driver on policy, laws and constitution, but instead public consensus is.

I believe it's you who provides little value here but is unnecessarily egotistical at the same time.

Now I can list out even more examples of political campaigns throughout the entire Western world, Anglosphere, and Middle East for laws you may see as "immoral" that exist because of popular consensus, including in otherwise non-illiterate societies, or you could just accept you are wrong.

Maga, Trump, Middle East, the far right...yeah, all beacons of morality, sensible societies, governance, and law making. Let me know what you think of the popular sentiment in your neck of the woods against people who look like you. Believe they are increasingly demanding that they be sent "back to where they came from".

Did I claim that laws cannot be immoral based on a false understanding of morality? Or was it that they are not meant to be immoral? Again, you have no value to share in this debate.....be as you were.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

Maga, Trump, Middle East, the far right...yeah, all beacons of morality, sensible societies, governance, and law making. Let me know what you think of the popular sentiment in your neck of the woods against people who look like you. Believe they are increasingly demanding that you be sent "back to where you came from".

Did I claim that laws cannot be immoral based on a false understanding of morality? Or was it that they are not meant to be immoral? Again, you have no value to share here.....be as you were.

They can do whatever they want in their lands. No problem by me.

And there is no such thing as "false understanding of morality" — morality is a subjective construct .

Why should anybody be forced to follow *your* individual view of morality that changes based on your personal interests and opinions? It shouldn't.

You keep missing the point that there's no moral objectivity and it doesn't matter, only public consensus does.

Public consensus drives law, policy, and action, not your individual twisted morality that you keep projecting on the world who moves on despite it, evidently.

 

[krash]

morality is a subjective construct moron.

Heh...Doesn't take long for one to expose how little he is worth. Best for you to remain among those of equal value.

 

[nahtanbob]

What's wrong with it?

Every country in Europe, Asia and Africa do not recognize birthright citizenship. I wonder why.

 

[nahtanbob]

Because they use a different method, citizenship via blood descent, called jus sanguinis Two major systems of awarding citizenship in this world, jus solis and jus sanguinis. Pakistan belongs in the jus solis category.

There is a reason whole of Europe, Asia and Africa went that route

 

[Distant_Observer]

IK was about to give 1.5 million illegal afghan "refugees" citizenship in an attempt to make Pakistan into Kabulistan. 20 years later you will have 1.5 million "Pakistanis" asking to merge with Afghanistan

The fauj saved them long term. We cannot risk creating a state within a state. Pakistan is an ideology, its a belief. It's not a piece of paper.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

Every country in Europe, Asia and Africa do not recognize birthright citizenship. I wonder why.

Because they are obviously not morally superior like he is, get with the program buddy.

You can only have laws based on popular opinion if its morality checked by Kash

Democracy is what the majority wants, but only if the leftists stamp approve it, otherwise the minority opinions ruels because something something "right thing to do"!

 

[krash]

Every country in Europe, Asia and Africa do not recognize birthright citizenship. I wonder why.

Stop wondering and type it here. What is the problem with it? You've wasted half a dozen posts.

 

[PK781]

shoot every intruder at the border that tries to cross

i cant believe the huge number of them roaming around everywhere in islamabad and rawalpindi, and every occasion they're blatantly waving their shitty fagflag around in our country.

Deport them or Eliminate them. Gotta be ruthless.
Stop giving them our nationality even if they're born here cuz they will never be a part of us. We dont need them to be hogging any student seats in our educational institutions or any jobs.

Its the biggest security risk we face as a nation. They simply cant be trusted even if its their women, or children as theyre born to hate us. We have to kick them out of every town city and village.

theyre always ungrateful namakharams that deserve to be nuked!!

 

[Asfandyar Bhittani]

Whatever helps you get through it, bud.

I didn't give you leave to speak. Shhhh

 

[Watandar]

Few thousands in USSR their beloved liberator vs almsot 10 million in and out over 50 years in Pakistan sucking them dry.

You can't bullshit you way out of the fact it was Afghanistan that displaced afghans in Soviet order. No Pakistan. Not CIA. Not Iran. By the time allies intervened to save afghans from total genocide, Kabul had already killed 25-30 thousands in pul e charkhi prison alone. Killed and wounded tens of thousands when it's forces in Herat rose up. These including Countless other warcrimes that happened BEFORE Op cyclone, was the cause of displacement, not the efforts of allies to stop the genocidal afghan soviet war machine creating the refugees.

To suggest otherwise is re writing history.

why does your history end in 1989 ? There have been multiple waves of refugee migration from Afghanistan :

1980s : War against Soviet occupation of Afghanistan (Pakistan principal agent of Op Cyclone)
1989-1995 : civil war in Afghanistan with Pakistan supporting warlods like Hekmatyar and Iran supporting Massoud
1995-2001 : Taliban takeover of Afghanistan resulting in many Farsi speaking people fleeing Afghanistan. Pakistan principal supporter of Taliban
2000's : US invasion and occupation of Afghanistan thanks to Taliban f-ups. Pakistan plays both sides, supporting US during the day and Taliban at night
2020's: Taliban takeover of Afghanistan once again and continuing conflict.

As I said before, Pakistan cannot stroke war in a neighboring country for 50 years and escape the consequences.

 

[Watandar]

There is a reason whole of Europe, Asia and Africa went that route

irrelevant to the discussion at hand as Pakistan has unrestricted birthright citizenship.

 

[Goenitz]

Full of all types of extremists here. Then they blame Afghans for being the only ones.