AJK govt bans Joint Awami Action Committee, notification issued

Oscar said:
I absolutely find little wrong with all of the demands except the last one - but if that was “likely” being abused then it makes perfect sense.

However, bearing in mind how AJk is also a Nooni soft heart location and this is all about “you scratch my back I scratch yours” in this current situation - figures
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as always is the case, the situation been mishandedled badly. it started with demands for better deal re electicty rates and wheat prices, the dismisal of the rights of Kashmiris right to voe and elect 12 seats in Punjab was controvertial but could've been handled in a better way but as alwasy its our obnoxious attitude to dismiss and silence the Dissent if the protest is weak and raise it up the notch and then run to GHQ when shit hits the fan and finally bend over and try to appease them but to no avail..

yes AJK is very close to noonies and Punjab and this is one reason why the Kashmiris have been specially singled out and executed by terrorists in Balochistan.
although I have seen a video of a dickhead in Mancheter was cursing the establisment and expressed solidarity with everyone under the sun that has an axe to grind against GHQ.

international news is highlighting all this and India cant be more happy. we have given them this chance.
 
This will catch up to Gilgit Baltistan if its not awarded a provincial status soon.

Make GB a province and a proper part of Pakistan. It has no relation to the Kashmir issue. Having a rubber stamp election and assembly will not work. Balochistan has shown that, you need an outlet where people at least believe they have a stake in their governance. It works for Punjab but not anywhere else.

As for AJK, the constitutional demands can be debated but the economic ones are koko.

Hate the establishment and its role but you loose me with calls for separatism. You are just inviting India over to come and take over.
 
Protagoras said:
This will catch up to Gilgit Baltistan if its not awarded a provincial status soon.

Make GB a province and a proper part of Pakistan. It has no relation to the Kashmir issue. Having a rubber stamp election and assembly will not work. Balochistan has shown that, you need an outlet where people at least believe they have a stake in their governance. It works for Punjab but not anywhere else.

As for AJK, the constitutional demands can be debated but the economic ones are koko.

Hate the establishment and its role but you loose me with calls for separatism. You are just inviting India over to come and take over.
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People fundamentally have a right to pursue freedom but at this point of history, breaking Pakistan will cause a ripple effect and make the civil war in Yugosalavia look like childs play.

We will have bloodshed and genocides on a massive scale and we will get into a forever war with each other.
 
Protagoras said:
People fundamentally have a right to pursue freedom but at this point of history, breaking Pakistan will cause a ripple effect and make the civil war in Yugosalavia look like childs play.

We will have bloodshed and genocides on a massive scale and we will get into a forever war with each other.
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Pakistan Insha Allah Will Not Be Yugoslavia But I Fear The ***** Sitting In Army House Will Turn It Into One

Him And His Boy W**res On This Forum Seem To Think That Having A Gun Gives Them The Divine Right To Treat People Worse Than Slaves.They Love Yapping About Hard State Hard State Blah Blah

This Is What Happens When Duffers Read A Few Pages Of A Political Science Book and Seem To Think They Know It All.

India Is Far More Diverse Than Pakistan Or Yugoslavia For That Matter Yet It Has Successfully Kept The Country Together It's Far From Ideal But Still.Do You Think They Have Done It Entirely By Becoming A Hard State and Pointing The Gun At Everyone???
 
Samlee said:
Pakistan Insha Allah Will Not Be Yugoslavia But I Fear The ***** Sitting In Army House Will Turn It Into One

Him And His Boy W**res On This Forum Seem To Think That Having A Gun Gives Them The Divine Right To Treat People Worse Than Slaves.They Love Yapping About Hard State Hard State Blah Blah

This Is What Happens When Duffers Read A Few Pages Of A Political Science Book and Seem To Think They Know It All.

India Is Far More Diverse Than Pakistan Or Yugoslavia For That Matter Yet It Has Successfully Kept The Country Together It's Far From Ideal But Still.Do You Think They Have Done It Entirely By Becoming A Hard State and Pointing The Gun At Everyone???
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InshaAllah one hopes for betterment but I am not seeing much hope. I used to blame the leaders but now I look at the people and they are just submissive, docile and insecure.

Trumps approval or Islamabad Talks on here are celebrated like an economic win. I see a dark era but then again after the darkest there is light.

Really hoping for some miracle out of this mess.
 
arjunk said:
You are giving lanat to Punjabi 'outsiders' on an ethnic basis, but AJK is around 99% Punjabi ethnically...

Is there no limit to the misuse of Kashmiri ethnicity?

Do you even know what JAAC is protesting for? All but ONE major demand of theirs have been fulfilled: The removal of IOK Muhajir seats, which is something you would expect the Indians to demand after defeating us in a war.

Yet, JAAC cultists pretend that they are some oppressed dasmels in distress protesting for 'basic rights.' This is an insult to Kashmiris of IOK who have died protesting ACTUAL atrocities like mass rapes, murders, genocide, or something as little as not supporting the Indian Cricket Team.

I am a Kashmiri, I've never felt the need to blackmail the govt on an ethno-nationalist basis, just because they refuse to strip away representation from a certain group of people, or give me free sh!t at the expense of the taxpayer in a country where the average monthly wage is less than what a 15 year old janitor at Wendy's earns in a few days.

There are THREE MILLION Kashmiris living in Lahore, how many of them go around shooting up the city and threatening separatism, just because they don't get endless luxuries and monopoly over the voting bank?

IT is sad to see a segment of Pakistan's Punjabi Pahari diaspora acting like Iranian Persian diaspora, maligning their own country and people while using the name of Kashmiri ethnicity for their agenda.
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My blood boils when these people call themselves Kashmiris. They are not Kashmiris and never will be. Totally different culturally and ethnically. In my view, it should either be merged with Pothohar or renamed to something other than "AJK." The current situation creates confusion and, in many cases, reflects poorly on ethnic Kashmiris from the Valley.

Wherever ethnic Kashmiris go, whether in the UK or elsewhere, people often assume that all Kashmiris share the same political views, experiences, or grievances. This is particularly frustrating because many of the hardships associated with the Kashmir issue political repression, violence, human rights abuses, and decades of conflict have primarily been endured by Kashmiris in Indian-occupied Kashmir. Conflating their experiences with the political demands of groups in so called "AJK" can unfairly distort how ethnic Kashmiris are perceived abroad and diminish the suffering of those who have lived through the conflict firsthand.

At the same time, so called "AJK" enjoys a range of benefits that are rarely acknowledged by its activists. Residents receive heavily subsidized electricity, paying roughly Rs. 3 per unit while consumers in much of Pakistan pay Rs. 40 or more. They also benefit from preferential wheat subsidies, special arrangements regarding land ownership, and forms of local political representation not available elsewhere. Furthermore, while citizens from the rest of Pakistan face restrictions on purchasing property in AJK, AJK residents are free to acquire property across the country, from Karachi to Islamabad. Yet despite these advantages, some activists continue to portray AJK as uniquely oppressed, while overlooking the significant economic and political privileges the region already receives.
 
When the thread started, I was clearly against this whole subsidy business, but I want people who are against these protests to realize that gop already agreed to thier economic demands, if anything, they already agreed to em in 2024
That was never the issue (although, however f-ed up it sounds unfortunately)
They are only putting up resistance for their own privileges, as that's how they keep the local AJK politicians in check through carrot and stick
they don't want to give up the carrot
why should ordinary Pakistanis be against these protests when GOP is ONLY fighting for their own interests, not the interests of poor Pakistanis
our interests were already sold in 2024

I see no logical reasoning for why people should be against these protests at this point in time. The seat representation thing is baloney too
you already know that it was being abused, and they can easily turn it into seats with no power.
Frankly, at this point I don't see why anyone should be against these protests.
If anything, we should support these protests because 90% of the demands are very legitimate and should be made by others as well.
 
Protagoras said:
This will catch up to Gilgit Baltistan if its not awarded a provincial status soon.

Make GB a province and a proper part of Pakistan. It has no relation to the Kashmir issue. Having a rubber stamp election and assembly will not work. Balochistan has shown that, you need an outlet where people at least believe they have a stake in their governance. It works for Punjab but not anywhere else.

As for AJK, the constitutional demands can be debated but the economic ones are koko.

Hate the establishment and its role but you loose me with calls for separatism. You are just inviting India over to come and take over.
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Yeah why not trade the 12 seats with GB as a province... When the dream of a united Kashmir is dying then might as well do it in a way that stabilize our borders and roadways with China and Central Asia.
GB is a totally separate culture to Paharis. They neither align themselves with Kashmiri Paharis nor feel any sympathy for them. They also have at times flaring desire to join Pakistan.
Let Kashmir be autonomous, own army own budget own financing own subsidies... Pakistan might help them militarily when they need it but at a price.. no more freebies, no more asylum..
 
amuqeetk said:
its the job of the army to fight across the borders and not these civillians, and these people did join the army, and have served this nation admirably.
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When the criminals get external support in getting equipped with weapons much more modern and capable than weapons police has, only army can eliminate those terrorists. The external security is military's responsibility as is the case with internal security when it gets beyond civilian LEAs.
 
gamaji said:
The PPP and PML are political parties no matter how much someone hates these and other political parties. PPP won GB elections, PML's PM Shahbaz Sharif extended congrats to PPP leaders while conceding their defeat. PTI can never do that. PTI, in its very nature, is not a political party. It's a cult and acts as such.

The members/followers of PTI cult consider the law/constitution their mistress. Why did they lose the electoral symbol? Just because first they didn't hold their intra-party elections despite warnings and extensions given to them by the election commission Pakistan. Then they tried to cheat by holding fake intra-party elections and some of the founding members of PTI registered complaints against those elections with the ECP.

The PTI cult has no structure or organization on the ground in most of Pakistan. PTI has become irrelevant in Pakistan's electoral politics. It's just the filth on social media that keeps spreading lies and falsehood in the name of PTI. Does it make sense that PTI won 23 out of 24 GB seats? Even a mentally retard will know the reality. The cult is suffering from delusions and keep lies churning out from their social media account and then spread by RAW's bot networks. The ground reality in Pakistan is quite different.
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There have been no election rigging in GB this time.. PTI was facing challenges due to lack of singular election symbol, but even then the most popular party in GB is PPP by far especially in Shia majority areas... To give you a idea of how much Shia vote matters to PPP in GB is that in GBA-02 Shia voted for PMLN and they couldn't get that seat.
 
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