Al - Haider VT-4 MBT - The Premier PA Ground Asset [Developments]

AZADPAKISTAN2009 said:
Tanks have been been , sitting ducks in recent Ukraine-Russia conflict
May be the age of Tanks is finished

3-4 Years to make a Tank and then they are destroyed by 1 missile from air
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That may be true however, the tanks have still been incredibly useful and making large infantry movements without them is very risky

What the Ukraine war is teaching is that even the most expensive, heavy tank can be destroyed and having a cheaper mass produced tank in large numbers is maybe what's required going forward, with your expensive heavy tank in smaller numbers for specific situations
 

FEATURES AND CAPABILITIES OF TANK HAIDER​


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  • Tank Haider is a 3rd Generation Plus Tank which has been manufactured through collaboration with NORINCO China and various local industries of Pakistan. The Tank incorporates modern state of the art technologies and astounding capabilities which gives it a definitive edge over any adversary in the battle field. Distinguished features that make Tank Haider a more lethal and potent war machine as compared to Tank Al-Khalid 1 are:-
    • High manoeuvrability due to optimized power to weight ratio, high performance 1200 hp engine with automatic transmission and digital navigation in all types of terrains and environment.
    • Greater lethality with long-range precision engagement, high first round hit probability and hunter killer capability achieved through latest generation of optical sights and Thermal Imager based auto-tracking with improved image stabilised fire control systems (FCS) and gun control systems (GCS).
    • Greater adaptability through digitized architecture providing plug and play modularity for various systems, enhanced sensor based real time battlefield situational awareness, requisite connectivity for seamless Combine Arms Operations and secured information sharing resulting in a more potent and reliable platform.
    • Improved survivability through low heat signature, advanced Explosive Reactive Armour (ERA) along with passive and active protection systems and modern systems for crew survivability from fire, explosives and Nuclear, Biological and Chemical (NBC) threats.
    • Enhanced reliability through adaptation of latest manufacturing techniques, engineering practices and quality control mechanism.
    • Cost effectiveness due to maximized local manufacturing of parts, assemblies and systems ensuring assured self-sustenance.
  • Tank Haider is a true manifestation of “Strength through Self Reliance” in defence production of Pakistan due to maximized indigenization, resulting in substantial foreign exchange savings while empowering our local industries through selective technology partnerships for in-country manufacturing.
HIT’s flagship project is the Haider main battle tank (MBT), a locally assembled variant of the NORINCO VT-4 MBT from China. As of 2023, HIT has been making inroads at taking on more of the Haider’s production work, with the tank’s gun system already being sourced from domestic inputs. Efforts at localizing more of the VT4 are underway, albeit gradually, with electronics seemingly being the next focus area.

However, HIT says it is eager to expand its portfolio of indigenous solutions. Recently, it crossed a number of key milestones, such as producing its own in-house fire control system (FCS) for tanks and complete gun systems for towed and self-propelled artillery. In fact, recent local news footage covering HIT facilities show apparent work on changing or upgrading the PA’s M109-series self-propelled howitzers using these newly developed gun inputs. There is also an original artillery program in development.


Haider Main Battle Tank​

Officially inducted in 2020, the VT4 is the PA’s latest MBT, joining the al-Khalid-series, T-80UD, and al-Zarrar series of tanks. Pakistan signed a contract with China’s NORINCO in late 2018 or early 2019 for 176 VT4 at a cost of $859 million USD. Designated the “Haider,” the PA envisaged inducting the VT4 as a mainstay tank – not a limited off-the-shelf acquisition. Subsequently, HIT revealed its efforts to co-produce the VT4 under license so as to support the PA’s plans to induct the Haider at scale…"

Source QUWA & HIT

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"Qatari military delegation inspecting a Haider Main Battle Tank . Produced by Margalla Heavy Industries Ltd. Haider MBT is a license-produced Chinese VT-4 tank"

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FEATURES AND CAPABILITIES OF TANK HAIDER​


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  • Tank Haider is a 3rd Generation Plus Tank which has been manufactured through collaboration with NORINCO China and various local industries of Pakistan. The Tank incorporates modern state of the art technologies and astounding capabilities which gives it a definitive edge over any adversary in the battle field. Distinguished features that make Tank Haider a more lethal and potent war machine as compared to Tank Al-Khalid 1 are:-
    • High manoeuvrability due to optimized power to weight ratio, high performance 1200 hp engine with automatic transmission and digital navigation in all types of terrains and environment.
    • Greater lethality with long-range precision engagement, high first round hit probability and hunter killer capability achieved through latest generation of optical sights and Thermal Imager based auto-tracking with improved image stabilised fire control systems (FCS) and gun control systems (GCS).
    • Greater adaptability through digitized architecture providing plug and play modularity for various systems, enhanced sensor based real time battlefield situational awareness, requisite connectivity for seamless Combine Arms Operations and secured information sharing resulting in a more potent and reliable platform.
    • Improved survivability through low heat signature, advanced Explosive Reactive Armour (ERA) along with passive and active protection systems and modern systems for crew survivability from fire, explosives and Nuclear, Biological and Chemical (NBC) threats.
    • Enhanced reliability through adaptation of latest manufacturing techniques, engineering practices and quality control mechanism.
    • Cost effectiveness due to maximized local manufacturing of parts, assemblies and systems ensuring assured self-sustenance.
  • Tank Haider is a true manifestation of “Strength through Self Reliance” in defence production of Pakistan due to maximized indigenization, resulting in substantial foreign exchange savings while empowering our local industries through selective technology partnerships for in-country manufacturing.
HIT’s flagship project is the Haider main battle tank (MBT), a locally assembled variant of the NORINCO VT-4 MBT from China. As of 2023, HIT has been making inroads at taking on more of the Haider’s production work, with the tank’s gun system already being sourced from domestic inputs. Efforts at localizing more of the VT4 are underway, albeit gradually, with electronics seemingly being the next focus area.

However, HIT says it is eager to expand its portfolio of indigenous solutions. Recently, it crossed a number of key milestones, such as producing its own in-house fire control system (FCS) for tanks and complete gun systems for towed and self-propelled artillery. In fact, recent local news footage covering HIT facilities show apparent work on changing or upgrading the PA’s M109-series self-propelled howitzers using these newly developed gun inputs. There is also an original artillery program in development.


Haider Main Battle Tank​

Officially inducted in 2020, the VT4 is the PA’s latest MBT, joining the al-Khalid-series, T-80UD, and al-Zarrar series of tanks. Pakistan signed a contract with China’s NORINCO in late 2018 or early 2019 for 176 VT4 at a cost of $859 million USD. Designated the “Haider,” the PA envisaged inducting the VT4 as a mainstay tank – not a limited off-the-shelf acquisition. Subsequently, HIT revealed its efforts to co-produce the VT4 under license so as to support the PA’s plans to induct the Haider at scale…"

Source QUWA & HIT

=========================================

"Qatari military delegation inspecting a Haider Main Battle Tank . Produced by Margalla Heavy Industries Ltd. Haider MBT is a license-produced Chinese VT-4 tank"

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Margalla Heavy Industries ???
 
Could Al-Khalids get the Chinese engine now that the supply of the 6TD series is hindered due to Rus-Kiev war ?
 
Signalian said:
India is helping TTP bleed Pakistan without committing own forces.
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Not at all. All credit to Pakistani elements.

Signalian said:
The beasts of 6Ad are sitting idle under sheds while soldiers die on the western front.
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Umm, depreciation is a hidden weapon, and will play its role.


Panzerkiel said:
But it takes only one incident to start it. Ukrainian war and Palestinian conflict have shown the need to possess credible conventional forces at all times. For me, times of conventional war are not gone.
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The Sangh Parivar has taken note, and will talk a great war, but will make a great squeaky noise and leave it at that.

Expect to lose many more crows.

Expect to bleed financially from every pore.

Panzerkiel said:
Moreover, the rocky terrain towards our west is mostly not suitable to rubber padded armor vehicles. The tracks will turn to wafer in no time.
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Drat. Spotted.
 
Instead of the VT-4, I'd like to see a Turtle Tank designed from scratch. Might actually be cheaper and prove more useful.
 
The Pak army is a buffoon army investing in tanks with the war in Ukraine on full display exposing its vulnerabilities. India will swarm the battlefield with FPVs Pakistan needs to mass produce fpvs
 
ThirdFaculty said:
The Pak army is a buffoon army investing in tanks with the war in Ukraine on full display exposing its vulnerabilities. India will swarm the battlefield with FPVs Pakistan needs to mass produce fpvs
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Do you think India is not making Tanks? They have more tanks than Pakistan, so are they bigger buffoons?

Anyway, the point that future battle fields maybe different is valid.

Here's a nice article about FPV threat and counter strategies, written for the australian army. I found it very interesting.

 
Dreamer said:
Do you think India is not making Tanks? They have more tanks than Pakistan, so are they bigger buffoons?

Anyway, the point that future battle fields maybe different is valid.

Here's a nice article about FPV threat and counter strategies, written for the australian army. I found it very interesting.

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Theyll swarm the battlefield with drones blow every god damn thing up then roll in the tanks when there’s minimum resistance
 
iron shrapnel said:
Could Al-Khalids get the Chinese engine now that the supply of the 6TD series is hindered due to Rus-Kiev war ?
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Easier said than done, HIT has been trying to do that for a while. They want to make a Chinese engine work with the Ukrainian transmission, but this is very hard to do, if they can’t figure it out (maybe they’ve already given up) they might go to an entirely Chinese power train, however this will require expensive and time-consuming hull modifications, it remains to be seen wether PA just keeps them as is for now and tries to produce as many Haider’s as possible.

PA has 100+ 6TD2E spares so they can last for a while, however ideally they want to use these for the UDs to keep them running for longer too, and use Chinese engines in the AKs, if this plan doesn’t come to fruition, we’ll see the UDs slowly retiring over the next few years.
 
farooqbhai said:
Nopes. T80UD have only been recently upgraded I think like 1~2 years ago. And ones being retired was totally from a batch of around 30 tanks that was slightly different in specs and delivered much earlier than rest of the tanks. Hence they were rather old as compared to rest of fleet.
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Some of those older UDs might still be in service, transferred to training use. However I do believe most of the UDs retiree are from that original batch of 35. There will most likely be some retired from the later batches too if they were beyond feasible repair, but for now the majority of the UDs remain in service.
 

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Qatari Military delegation inspected the Haider tank of Pakistan Army while visiting HIT. Haider is Pakistani ToT variant of Chinese VT-4, a advanced 3rd generation main battle tank equipped with 120mm smooth bore gun, remote controlled machine gun as secondary weapon and other advance features.
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