Algeria’s J-10C and KJ-500 Deal Signals China’s Biggest Air Power Breakthrough in Africa

[Corax]

So UAE & Qatar are also compromised idiots?

Yes, based on that logic.

 

[BonPlan]

do you need the answer?

Of course, please.

 

[hussain0216]

So UAE & Qatar are also compromised idiots?

YES,, absolutely

What don't you understand

They get sold gimped weapons for billions so the weapons can't harm Israel

The west is a racist place, the French, the British, Germans etc are scum and should never be trusted

So buying weapons from these scum bags is the most retarded thing possible unless you can get full weapons loads and support with no strings and even then, NOW is the time to invest in Turkey, Pakistan and work with China and start your own programmes somewhere can protect the wider region and Muslim world

 

[Ak01]

Of course, please.

the answer is yes.

dont act like french dont play dirty games when it comes to arms sales LOL.

Do you forget the greek tank evaluations where the french sent jammers to jam the GPS signals for Abrams and Challengers, so as to give the Leclerc an advantage?

Or the Karachi Affair?

or angolagate?

or the Lafayette scandal?

 

[Pakistan First]

Ask them why they purchased it twice....

Strategically aligned nations: France, Greece, Egypt, UAE and India.

Notice in G7 meeting in Paris I see Egypt, UAE and perhaps india too as participants for sideline meetings regarding middleeast peace. Even though Pakistan is a lead mediator but France prefers its own group of nations which are strategically aligned to it. These subtle items in geopolitics are often not discussed but people who have keen interest can connect the dots. It was just one small example that why this group would prefer even a substandard military product from France over a far better product from China Or any other nation. Answer is Geopolitics.

 

[Pakistan First]

the answer is yes.

dont act like french dont play dirty games when it comes to arms sales LOL.

Do you forget the greek tank evaluations where the french sent jammers to jam the GPS signals for Abrams and Challengers, so as to give the Leclerc an advantage?

Or the Karachi Affair?

or angolagate?

or the Lafayette scandal?

Actually French are selling weapons for over 4 centuries with same tactics. There are dozens of events which I remember on my finger tips from several books.

I will give few examples, Three centuries earlier French used to trade arms into India. They used to sell arms to Rajas and nawabs (usually in times of Maratha empire).. The same team then used to go to neighboring / rival Raja and tell them that your neighbor got this, so you must bough this one, more advance version... This continued over the globe for centuries.

Then in 20th century, they created wars, frictions and conflicts to grow their arms industry. If one sees the map of french origin weapons then can see the pattern, how mirage 3s, mirage5s, F1s and other french equipment is sold to rival parties. Often in neighborhoods.

I remember French official statement very vividly when they were pitching Scorpene submarines to India. I laughed and was amazed how they are doing that for centuries literally. The official said that these scorpene submarines are more advance than Pakistan's Agosta submarines. Same tactic over and over again. Also, The bribes in Agosta project are all proven. Otherwise we had option to choose from German and perhaps few other european subs too. The bribes in Rafale sales to india etc. Basically Bribery is one key element of french military equipment sales where other tactics like creating conflicts don't work.

There's no comparison in dirty or actually evil games that French has played for its arms sales.

 

[BonPlan]

YES,, absolutely

What don't you understand

They get sold gimped weapons for billions so the weapons can't harm Israel

The west is a racist place, the French, the British, Germans etc are scum and should never be trusted

So buying weapons from these scum bags is the most retarded thing possible unless you can get full weapons loads and support with no strings and even then, NOW is the time to invest in Turkey, Pakistan and work with China and start your own programmes somewhere can protect the wider region and Muslim world

The Meteor delivered to Qatar and soon UAE are gimped you think?

Time to invest in Turkey... OK. For KAAN ? without the west KAAN is a glider, because the turkish jet engine will not be a reality in the next 15 years, you can be sure.

West is racist? OK.... It's unbelivable that so many strangers tried to came in.

 

[BonPlan]

Actually French are selling weapons for over 4 centuries with same tactics. There are dozens of events which I remember on my finger tips from several books.

I will give few examples, Three centuries earlier French used to trade arms into India. They used to sell arms to Rajas and nawabs (usually in times of Maratha empire).. The same team then used to go to neighboring / rival Raja and tell them that your neighbor got this, so you must bough this one, more advance version... This continued over the globe for centuries.

Then in 20th century, they created wars, frictions and conflicts to grow their arms industry. If one sees the map of french origin weapons then can see the pattern, how mirage 3s, mirage5s, F1s and other french equipment is sold to rival parties. Often in neighborhoods.

I remember French official statement very vividly when they were pitching Scorpene submarines to India. I laughed and was amazed how they are doing that for centuries literally. The official said that these scorpene submarines are more advance than Pakistan's Agosta submarines. Same tactic over and over again. Also, The bribes in Agosta project are all proven. Otherwise we had option to choose from German and perhaps few other european subs too. The bribes in Rafale sales to india etc. Basically Bribery is one key element of french military equipment sales where other tactics like creating conflicts don't work.

There's no comparison in dirty or actually evil games that French has played for its arms sales.

The world was not the same 4 century ago.
You were happy we sold you Mirage and Agosta subs.
Recently you tried to purchase RC400 radar for your JF-17. We refused. A proof we are not so greedy.

 

[Corax]

The world was not the same 4 century ago.
You were happy we sold you Mirage and Agosta subs.
Recently you tried to purchase RC400 radar for your JF-17. We refused. A proof we are not so greedy.

Recently? That was like over 25 years ago. You refused because the indians asked you to in return for them giving contracts to upgrade their Mirage 2000s and buying the rafale...yes, they've been promising that to you that long!

 

[BonPlan]

Recently? That was like over 25 years ago. You refused because the indians asked you to in return for them giving contracts to upgrade their Mirage 2000s and buying the rafale...yes, they've been promising that to you that long!

NO. It was somewhere in the 2010 to 2015

And no, the main reason we didn't accept was twice : The Karachi attack, and the risk you give it to china for reverse engineering.

 

[Corax]

NO. It was somewhere in the 2010 to 2015

And no, the main reason we didn't accept was twice : The Karachi attack, and the risk you give it to china for reverse engineering.

That's odd, terrorism and China didn't bother you when you sold us the Agosta 90Bs, or upgraded our Mirage IIIs with the Sagem ROSE upgrade. You were even literally marketing your AASM series on one of our PAF ROSE Mirage IIIs around the same time at air shows!

 

[BonPlan]

That's odd, terrorism and China didn't bother you when you sold us the Agosta 90Bs, or upgraded our Mirage IIIs with the Sagem ROSE upgrade. You were even literally marketing your AASM series on one of our PAF ROSE Mirage IIIs around the same time at air shows!

The Agosta 90 were sold in 1992.
ROSE is late 90's.
It was another time.

AASM for PAF? As if was far after Karachi attack, it is unlikely french top brass give a green light.

 

[KingQamaR]

Good choice it seems by Algerian. J10C proved its worth with Franchise jets.