AMCA vs KAAN vs KF-21 India Turkey & Korea’s Fighter Jets Battle For Air Supremacy—Who Leads The Pack? OP-ED

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Can you tell me about China’s and the U.S.’s operational MUM-T concepts?


As far as I know, there’s no such thing yet.


The U.S. YFQ-42A and YFQ-44A aircraft have just started flying, and they’re still in the development phase.

Well, as usual within this topic not much has been officially reported but if you pick up the individual points and put them to an image, you can at least try to vaguely head what‘s already indeed operational, but YES, at least from the US they are more likely testing only.

Anyway just put the facts together: A useful operational use of MUM-T concepts requires several important items, namely at least CCAs, stealth fighters, ISR/EW/AEW systems connected to be able to work as a joint system and if you look what of these individual is available already and what‘s in trial you can make a rough guess:

In the US I think no-one denies that they have MUM-T prototypes flying (and likely under black projects even more), they have F-22 & F-35 as stealth fighters and also no-one denies the USAF‘s fleet of ISR/EW/AEW systems.
What‘s so far missing are indeed true large CCA‘s, which are to be shown only from 2027 (? I think) on with the testing of Loyal Wingman incremental 2 … as such, It indeed can be questioned.

In China however again no-one denies, the have several MOM-T prototypes flying, we have seen already several of them at a WTC air base, they have J-20 and soon J-35A as stealth fighters and also no-one denies the PLAAF‘s fleet of ISR/EW/AEW aircraft. We have even seen J-20 flying together with UCAVs, so it seems to me they are likely even ahead versus the USAF in this sector. How much jointly and integrated or even perfected this cooperation already is, is surely not to answer.

And Turkey? Yes they are leading the European efforts by far, but given the necessary requirements mentioned above the TuAF still falls short: MUM-T are flying indeed in prototype form, but not as long as in the US or China, not in the same numbers and are therefore highly likely (maybe even surely) in their operational status behind both other countries. Turkey has no true 5th generation fighter yet! I know MMM-E will go wild and post again a looooooooong list of what will be presented as is available now, but fact is, Kaan is just a single demonstrator with almost no avionics aka fire-control system & weaponry installed, the engines are interim ones, too weak and if the desired ones will be mature in time is questionable. But regardless all different opinions: Kaan isn‘t ready yet! And finally the TuAF‘s ISR/EW/AEW fleet is surely available but if no. 1 & 2 are missing, in fact irrelevant today in terms of an operational MUM-T-concept.

Hope this is a bit more comprehensive.
 
Reading this thread i cant see why he would get banned, yeah he's got plenty of fire but in that fire he's producing plenty of military related information. From that fire we got the Chinese producing plenty of information too on what they can and cannot do. The interesting posts are the ones loaded with information, i would personally argue the posts about "a nations sorrow" that kind of garbage is worthless on here. Clean the thread of those sorts of worthless posts and you got a thread filled with interesting information.

You believe that his behavior can lead to the release of some information by Chinese members, this is consequentialism, this is not right.

The forum should only about whether his behavior violates the rules. Once the administrator abandons procedural justice, order will quickly collapse.
 
This is the best example of your hypocrisy.

AMCA, KAAN , KF-21 topic has turned into Chinese propaganda
They blocked me and now Chinese shows their Systems by off topic posts

While I'm showing real flying platforms, the Chinese are showing mock-ups on Trucks in military parades and this is pure Chinese propaganda and bragging


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No any operational MUM-T Concept in the World
And No any Chinese unmanned stealth Fighter Jet in the Sky ... only on Trucks


KIZILELMA
1 --
KIZILELMA is the first unmanned stealth Fighter Jet in the World which made formation flight with manned Aircraft F-16 in 2023
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2 -- KIZILELMA is the first unmanned stealth Fighter Jet in the World that flew with AESA Radar

KIZILELMA will enter the inventory in 2026


ANKA-3
1 - ANKA-3 was the first flying wing stealth UCAV in the World which made a shot from internal Weapon bay 9 months ago
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ANKA-3 will enter the inventory in 2026


KAAN
According to TAI , KAAN production to start in 2027
if USA not blocking sale of F-110 Engine to Turkiye

3 more Prototypes will be produced in 2026

China was lucky to use Russian Engine for J-20 Prototypes and first batch of J-20s for years


YES , Once the administrator abandons procedural justice, order will quickly collapse

Chinese users now full of propaganda and bragging mode by off topic posts
 
This is the best example of your hypocrisy.

AMCA, KAAN , KF-21 topic has turned into Chinese propaganda
They blocked me and now Chinese shows their Systems by off topic posts

While I'm showing real flying platforms, the Chinese are showing mock-ups on Trucks in military parades and this is pure Chinese propaganda and bragging


--------------------------

No any operational MUM-T Concept in the World
And No any Chinese unmanned stealth Fighter Jet in the Sky ... only on Trucks


KIZILELMA
1 --
KIZILELMA is the first unmanned stealth Fighter Jet in the World which made formation flight with manned Aircraft F-16 in 2023
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2 -- KIZILELMA is the first unmanned stealth Fighter Jet in the World that flew with AESA Radar

KIZILELMA will enter the inventory in 2026


ANKA-3
1 - ANKA-3 was the first flying wing stealth UCAV in the World which made a shot from internal Weapon bay 9 months ago
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ANKA-3 will enter the inventory in 2026


KAAN
According to TAI , KAAN production to start in 2027
if USA not blocking sale of F-110 Engine to Turkiye

3 more Prototypes will be produced in 2026

China was lucky to use Russian Engine for J-20 Prototypes and first batch of J-20s for years


YES , Once the administrator abandons procedural justice, order will quickly collapse

Chinese users now full of propaganda and bragging mode by off topic posts

Can't you search for "GJ-11" on YouTube before saying these words? Chinese official television has released a video of J-20S commanding GJ-11 to launch a PL-15.



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I'll be honest. If it weren't for you repeatedly dragging the J-20 and Chinese MUM-T into the thread, no Chinese member would be willing to talk about China's 5G fighter jets and MUM-T in this thread.
We are just questioning the service time of the TF-35000, but we are totally unwilling to compare China 5G with the aircraft in Türkiye.
Your behavior reminds us of those people who boasted that their country was a superpower and constantly compared it to China. We really hate it.
I really don't know why you think Chinese members have any motivation to belittle Turkey's TF-35000. Do you really think Chinese members would care about it? Chinese members only can't stand illogical and senseless boasting.
 
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Is the T-129 currently using domestically produced Turkish engines? I recall the embargo has been in place for a long time?

KAAN even with American F-110 Engine easly will match with Non-NATO Fighters such as Russian SU-57 and Chinese J-20 and J-35


You can see the high quality NATO standard on KAAN Fighter Jet

1-- With AI-enhanced battlefield awareness ( 360° situational awareness with 4 AESA radars - sensor fusion with EOTS , IRST with unique configuration )
2-- High-capacity networking , AI , data fusion
3-- Artificial Intelligence Co-pilot
4-- Pilot Health Tracking
7-- DIRCM Directed Infrared Countermeasure System by high power LASER
8-- HMDS (Helmet Display System) with AI-enhanced battlefield awareness
9-- Increased-range BVR Missiles
10-- Excellent EW capabilities with Aselsan FEWS - Fighter Electronic Warfare Suite
11 -- Powerful AESA Radar Aselsan MURAD-600A with 2.000+ T/R GaN modules
12 -- Full data-to-decision (D2D) capability for multi-layered distributed team of diverse manned aircraft working in concert with unmanned types ( KAAN , ANKA-3, KIZILELMA )
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NATO's stealth Fighter Jets F-22 , F-35 and KAAN
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in BVR Combat
4,5 gen Fighters such as F-15EX , F-16V , SU-35 , J-10C , RAFALE , Eurofighter have no any chance against the KAAN in BVR combat

because KAAN is a stealth Fighter Jet with much lower RCS
and KAAN is coming with powerful AESA Radar

Head to Head engagement
KAAN : 175 km
F-15EX : 47 km
F-18E/F : 47 km
Eurofighter : 38 km
RAFALE : 35 km
F-16V : 29 km
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MUM-T Concept ( Manned-unmanned teaming )

This is the 6th gen war concept to dominate entire air and Turkiye is leading County in NATO with USA
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Actually a 5 gen aircraft require much more than a good engine, fly by wires, fadec engine signals, radar, EW equipment and passive sensors. They require a exquisite very long software to program and manage all information input coming from all on board systems. Nowadays even AI assisted software is required to work in saturated áreas where extremely changing emissions and tracks are being received from every corner of the Battlefield. F35 showed that the most challenging part of the development, aside from the engine was the software developing.

But I am not exceptical. If someone can do it, It is Turkey. Turkey has experience in nearly all those fields and just need money and time. But remember that It will take years. Even 4.5 gen aircraft are not the same (EF2000 tranche 1 than 3 or further tranche), as well as Rafale and even Gripen versions are really different.

So even if you're lucky to see pre-serial fighters flying those will need years to develop a full combat capable software capable of dealing with such a Monster radar and suite of sensors.
 
So even if you're lucky to see pre-serial fighters flying those will need years to develop a full combat capable software capable of dealing with such a Monster radar and suite of sensors.

Turkish HAVELSAN has great experience for software

official source from HAVELSAN

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The most important element that distinguishes a 5 gen Fighter Jet is sensor fusion. The integration of data from AESA Radar, EOTS , IRST and EW Suite into a single mission computer allows the Pilot to see a common picture at a single glance

So , For KAAN, this architecture built with a publish/subscribe based service approach, similar to what HAVELSAN did with ADVENT CMS for ISTIF class Frigate and TF-2000 class Destroyer


An approach that separates software and hardware into modules and connects them through open interfaces, similar to the F-35, provides KAAN with a critical advantage. MURAD-600A AESA Radar can be integrated without rewriting the entire software


So ,Turkiye has enough technology to do it

Aselsan's AESA Radar, Havelsan's software , TUBITAK's mission computer and TAI's flight control modules combined within a single core framework

Aselsan : AESA Radar , EOTS , IRST , EW Suite
Havelsan : Software
Tubitak-BILGEM : Mission Computer

TUBITAK-BILGEM Mission Computer
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Aselsan TOYGUN EOTS
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Aselsan KARAT IRST
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Aselsan MURAD-600A AESA Radar ( 2.000+ T/R GaN modules )
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This is the best example of your hypocrisy.

AMCA, KAAN , KF-21 topic has turned into Chinese propaganda
They blocked me and now Chinese shows their Systems by off topic posts

While I'm showing real flying platforms, the Chinese are showing mock-ups on Trucks in military parades and this is pure Chinese propaganda and bragging


--------------------------

No any operational MUM-T Concept in the World
And No any Chinese unmanned stealth Fighter Jet in the Sky ... only on Trucks


KIZILELMA
1 --
KIZILELMA is the first unmanned stealth Fighter Jet in the World which made formation flight with manned Aircraft F-16 in 2023
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2 -- KIZILELMA is the first unmanned stealth Fighter Jet in the World that flew with AESA Radar

KIZILELMA will enter the inventory in 2026


ANKA-3
1 - ANKA-3 was the first flying wing stealth UCAV in the World which made a shot from internal Weapon bay 9 months ago
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ANKA-3 will enter the inventory in 2026


KAAN
According to TAI , KAAN production to start in 2027
if USA not blocking sale of F-110 Engine to Turkiye

3 more Prototypes will be produced in 2026

China was lucky to use Russian Engine for J-20 Prototypes and first batch of J-20s for years


YES , Once the administrator abandons procedural justice, order will quickly collapse

Chinese users now full of propaganda and bragging mode by off topic posts



Again spreading lies, these CCAs shown on trucks are real aircraft already seen in satellite imagery at Malan.
 
So even if you're lucky to see pre-serial fighters flying those will need years to develop a full combat capable software capable of dealing with such a Monster radar and suite of sensors.

Aselsan equipe the KAAN with the latest technologies

Turkish ASELSAN is one of top defense companies in the world in Electronics , Avionics , E/O Systems , GaN based AESA Rdars , Electronic Warfare Systems

Therefore Pakistan prefered Turkish Aselsan ASELPOD next gen targeting Pod instead of Chinese one

Only USA , France and Turkiye in NATO

Aselsan ASELPOD Targetin Pod ...
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This is how Aselsan ASELFLIR-600 E/O System on AKINCI UCAV saw Ankara Esenboğa Airport from 120 km away
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Quantum Well Infrared Photodetectors
( QWİP , INGaAS , Insb , HgCdTe )

Only USA , Israel , Turkiye, France in the world

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Some Guys thinks only China has technology in the World while they dont know anything about great Turkish Defense Industry
 
F-35 uses a Turkish technology

Turkish inventor, engineer and businessman founded Integrated Polymer Industries Inc in the USA which is the sole supplier the special coating material for these two Aircraft, the B-2 and F-35 ...... ( for stealth capabilities )

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ASELSAN has developed Radar absorbing materials to reduce RCS for 1.000 times to use on KAAN 5th gen Fighter Jet , ANKA-3 flying wing stealth UCAV

1 -- Radar absorbing material ( RAM ) Paint
2 -- Ceramic Radar absorbing material ( RAM )
3 -- Elastomeric Radar absorbing material ( RAM )

ASELSAN has a variety of indigenously developed field proven state of the art Radar absorbing material / Radar absorbing Structure / Freguency selective surface products including Paints , Elastomers , Honeycomb , Solid laminate composites and Ceramics

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official source
 
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AMCA vs. KAAN vs. KF-21: India, Turkey & Korea’s Fighter Jets Battle For Air Supremacy—Who Leads The Pack? OP-ED​

By
Air Marshal Anil Chopra
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August 6, 2025


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Fifth-generation fighter aircraft have been the flavour of all discussions in South Asia. A British Royal Navy F-35 fighter jet was stuck in Thiruvananthapuram, India, for 37 days after a mid-air emergency forced it to land on June 14.

It finally flew back to the UK on July 22.

It put into question the logistics-maintenance capability of the Western world and the top defence manufacturer, Lockheed Martin.

Amidst India’s Op Sindoor, Pakistan released a cat among the pigeons, announcing plans to acquire the Chinese fifth-generation FC-31 aircraft by the end of 2025.

That sent Indian security analysts into a tizzy, suggesting interim options for the Indian Air Force (IAF). Sensing an opportunity, Russia offered its Su-57 “Felon” with full transfer of technology (ToT) and Make-in-India option.



China has inducted fifth-generation J-20 fighters in large numbers and is already flight-testing two sixth-generation fighters.


As President Trump unleashed a tariff war against India, New Delhi realised the uncertainty of the American defense supply connection.

Heat-of-the-moment statements were made by the Indian establishment rejecting the F-35 as a possible choice for the IAF. Meanwhile, informed media leaks indicated South Korea’s domestically developed KF-21 Boramae could emerge as a potential candidate for India’s Multi-Role Fighter Aircraft (MRFA) program, as New Delhi looked to address ongoing gaps in its combat air fleet.


In the past, Japan had invited India to join the sixth-generation Global Combat Air Programme (GCAP), a project to develop a sixth-generation fighter jet.



This trilateral effort, led by Japan, the United Kingdom, and Italy, aims to share the substantial costs and technological challenges of developing this advanced aircraft.


Meanwhile, European partners, France, Germany, and Spain, in the Future Combat Air System (FCAS) sixth-generation fighter aircraft had been squabbling on work share, bringing uncertainty.

As Turkey pushes its TAI Kaan fifth-generation fighter, Pakistani technical teams are working closely on the program in Turkey, with the option of making it a possible joint program.

Turkey’s open support to Pakistan during Op Sindoor still reverberates in the Indian security establishment. It is interesting to compare the three stand-alone middle power programs, the Kaan, KF-21, and AMCA.





TAI TF Kaan

The TAI Kaan, also referred to as the TF “Turkish Fighter,” is a stealth, twin-engine, air superiority fighter designed to replace the Turkish Air Force’s fleet of F-16 Fighting Falcons.

BAE Systems has supported technology development and transfer. By the end of 2022, system functionality review (SFR) and system requirements review (SRR) were completed.

The prototype completed its maiden flight on 21 February 2024. Only one prototype has been produced to date. It was announced by TAI that the second prototype of KAAN is under construction and will fly in the last quarter of 2025.

In 2024, it was announced that Turkish corporations TÜBİTAK (aerial weapons and EW systems) and Aselsan (radar and avionics) would support TAI in the development and construction of the aircraft. TAI’s Advanced Carbon Composites fuselage facility, which was commissioned to produce fuselages for Lockheed Martin’s Joint Strike Fighter (F-35) program, has been tasked with developing the fuselage.

Aircraft systems and capabilities include a domestic Integrated Radio Frequency System (IRFS), which includes the MURAD AESA nose radar with GaN-based transistors, electronic warfare capabilities such as wideband spectrum monitoring, directional jamming, and synthetic-aperture radar (SAR) imaging modes, including ISAR, dot-SAR, and strip-SAR.



The system also integrates cognitive operational mechanisms and neural network-based decision support systems.

The Integrated Electro-Optical System (IEOS) includes an Infrared Search and Track (IRST), an Electro-Optical Targeting System (EOTS), and a Distributed Aperture System (DAS) for global day/night imaging and an IR-Missile Warning System (MWS).

There is an Integrated Communication, Navigation and Identification System (ICNI), a Self-Protection Suite, an RF decoy dispensing system (CMDS), and a jamming system based on Digital Radio-Frequency Memory (DRFM). The Autonomous Wingman Operations (OKU) framework enables KAAN to control accompanying platforms, such as ANKA-III and Super-ŞİMŞEK, using encrypted data links.

The aircraft’s computational systems provide capabilities for autonomous mission execution, task assignment to UAVs, and coordination with other platforms in air, land, and naval domains, as well as air defence systems.

The system allows for intelligence, surveillance, target acquisition, and reconnaissance (ISR), targeting, and air superiority tasks through collaborating aircraft and reduces the workload of on-board pilots. The aircraft is planned to have eight internal and six external (3 per wing) hard points.



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Turkish Aerospace and Indonesia’s Defense Ministry signed a deal for 48 KAAN 5th-gen fighter jets (Via X)
Rolls-Royce offered technology transfer for the EJ200 engine and joint development of a derivative for the TF-X program. In May 2022, Turkey announced that it was imperative for them that the engine be produced in Turkey with intellectual property rights.

It was thus decided that ten General Electric F110 engines would be delivered to TEI as the first batch according to the agreement between Tusaş Engine Industries (TEI) and GE Aerospace for initial aircraft development.

On 2 July 2022, the Defence Industry Agency published the invitation to tender for the domestic development of the engine. It stated that TRMotor, which is a subsidiary of TAI, had submitted its proposal, and Turkish Air Engine Company (TAEC), a consortium by Kale Group and Rolls-Royce, will submit its offer soon.

On 15 January 2025, Haluk Görgün, President of the Defence Industry Agency, said that after 2030, KAAN will fly with a completely domestic engine. On May 15, 2025, TEI, the Turkish state-backed aerospace engine manufacturer, published the first official image and technical data of the TEI-TF35000.

The next phase involves detailed design and qualifications carried out in the 2022-2029 period. The production of the first aircraft, called Block-0, will be completed in 2026, and the first flight will be accomplished in 2026-7. Until that date, TAI aims to manufacture three prototypes.



The Block-1 configuration is planned to be developed until 2029. The manufacture of 10 Block-1 fighter jets is planned within the scope of Phase-2, and the aircraft will be delivered to the Turkish Air Force between 2030 and 2033.

In Phase-3, between 2034 and 2040, development and mass production activities of other TF-X blocks are planned with the target of producing two aircraft a month. The aircraft may surpass $100 million per unit.

In July 2023, at the 16th International Defence Industry Fair, a protocol agreement was signed to bring Azerbaijan into the project. On 22 July 2025, Turkey announced Egypt’s participation in the Kaan program, including co-production of the aircraft. This agreement reflects a strategic shift and a focus on practical industrial collaboration between the two nations.

Indonesia signed a purchase contract for 48 KAANs on 26 July 25. The total order is planned to be delivered with domestically produced engines in approximately 10 years. According to reports from Turkish media, the contract is valued at US$10 billion. Turkey will provide cooperation in production engineering and technology transfers.

It has been claimed that Saudi Arabia is considering purchasing 100 KAAN fighter jets, and that the United Arab Emirates is also interested in KAAN. Ukraine’s ambassador to Ankara had openly declared his country’s interest in Kaan.

Turkey has offered Malaysia the opportunity to participate in the Kaan. Turkey and Pakistan are reportedly set to establish and operate a joint factory to produce the Kaan jet. The collaboration could be mutually beneficial, with Turkey gaining from lower production costs and Pakistan gaining access to advanced technology.

KAI KF-21 Boramae

The KAI KF-21 Boramae “Fighting Hawk”, formerly known as KF-X, is a South Korean-led fighter aircraft development program with the initial goal of producing multirole fighters for the Republic of Korea Air Force (ROKAF).

The airframe uses stealth technology but carries weapons externally, and features such as internal bays will be introduced later with the KF-21EX program. It is South Korea’s second domestic fighter jet development program, following the FA-50.

The program is led by the South Korean government, which holds 60 percent of the program’s shares. Indonesia took a 20 percent stake in the program in 2010 and has participated in the program through Indonesian Aerospace since the start of KF-21 development in 2011.

The remaining 20 percent is held by private partners, including the manufacturer Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI). In August 2024, Indonesia’s stake was reduced to 7.5 percent at the Indonesian government’s request.

In April 2021, the prototype was rolled out. The first test flight was on 19 July 2022, with manufacturing scheduled to begin in 2026. The six prototypes (including two two-seat) will be tested for performance verification.

At least 40 aircraft are planned to be delivered by 2028, with South Korea expecting to deploy 120 of the aircraft by 2032. It will also be available for export. The ROKAF will begin replacing its F-4D/E Phantom II and F-5E/F Tiger II jets with KF-21s. Later, F-16 Fighting Falcons and F-15EX Eagle IIs will also be replaced.

KF-21
File Image: KF-21
The initial goal for the program was to develop a single-seat twin-engine multirole fighter with stealth capabilities exceeding both the Dassault Rafale and Eurofighter Typhoon but less than those of the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II.

Target is to be superior to the F-16 Fighting Falcon, with 50 percent greater combat range, 34 percent longer airframe lifespan, better avionics, active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar, more-effective electronic warfare, and data link capabilities.

In May 2016, the U.S. government and Lockheed Martin tentatively agreed to transfer 21 technologies to KAI under the terms of offset trade, which is part of a contract for South Korea to introduce the F-35A.

Later, the US government blocked the transfer of four vital technologies: AESA radar, IRST, electro-optical targeting pod (EO TGP), and radio frequency jammer (RF jammer) technology. South Korea was required to develop these technologies domestically.

While KAI was the primary builder, numerous other domestic and foreign companies were contracted to provide aircraft components or support.

Several of these firms had worked with KAI on the T-50. For certain sensitive technologies, such as AESA radar, EO TGP, IRST, and RF jammer, foreign companies were only consulted for testing support and technical advice to avoid arms-trading restrictions.

Hanwha Aerospace signed an agreement with General Electric to manufacture General Electric F414 engines for the KF-X aircraft.

According to the contract, Hanwha is to manufacture key parts, assemble the engines locally, and oversee the installation of the engines on the aircraft. AESA radar was co-developed with Hanwha Systems under the leadership of Korea’s Agency for Defence Development (ADD).

Elta Systems helped to test the demonstrative prototype hardware of the AESA radar. Saab provided technical advice to LIG Nex1, which develops Multi-Function Radar (MFR) software for AESA radars.

IRST is based on the processor unit (PU) designed by Hanwha Systems and a Leonardo sensor head unit (SHU) called the SkyWard-K with a modified back-end and Korean software that replaces the original program. US aerospace contractor Texstars was selected by KAI to develop canopy and windshield transparencies for KF-X.

Triumph Group was selected by KAI to provide airframe-mounted accessory drives (AMADs) for the KF-X. Cobham received contracts to provide missile ejection launchers, communications antennae, external fuel tanks, and oxygen systems. MBDA was contracted to integrate the Meteor beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile (BVRAAM) onto the aircraft.

Elbit Systems was contracted by Hanwha Systems to provide terrain-following/terrain avoidance (TF/TA) systems for the aircraft. There are many other technology vendors.

All six prototypes are already being used for flight testing. The aircraft has completed most of the basic flight testing, including supersonic flight, night refuelling, and all-weather and long-range operational capabilities.

KF-21 Block I will have air-superiority capabilities with limited air-to-ground functions and will have service entry in 2026. KF-21 Block II will be a swing-role fighter, incorporating attack and reconnaissance capabilities and scheduled for deployment in 2028.

Blocks I and II are designed to function as advanced 4.5+ generation fighters, offering greater survivability through reduced radar cross-section (RCS), more sophisticated avionics, and relatively cost-effective performance compared to alternative platforms in their class.

KF-21 Block III will be developed as a 5.5+ generation fighter jet, featuring internal weapons bays, enhanced stealth through radar-absorbent materials, and upgraded AESA radar with next-gen avionics. It will support unmanned teaming, network-centric warfare, and improved situational awareness.

A domestically developed Korean engine is also planned to replace the current F414-GE-400, reducing foreign dependence. The aircraft can carry 7,700 kg external payload on 10 hard points. Weapons are mostly of Western origin.

The two-seat KF-21EA will serve as an electronic warfare aircraft comparable to the EA-18G Growler. The KF-21EX is a planned advanced variant of the KF-21 Boramae that aims to significantly enhance the jet’s strike capability, survivability, and operational effectiveness, particularly within a manned-unmanned teaming (MUM-T) construct.

It will have an internal weapons bay. The aircraft will also receive several stealth-focused upgrades, including a reprofiled canopy, low-RCS radome, and new conformal antennas, to improve its survivability against radar threats. KF-21N will be a carrier-based version of the fighter.

40 KF-21 Block I has been ordered, and deliveries are expected to be completed by 2028. 80 KF-21 Block II are planned to be ordered and delivered by 2032.

Indonesia’s planned purchase of 48 aircraft is on track despite some hiccups. South Korea has been wooing India for the project. The Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF) is reportedly considering Russia’s Sukhoi Su-57 and the KF-21 for its Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MRCA) program.

KAI signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) with the Peruvian Air Force Maintenance Service (SEMAN) to manufacture KF-21 fighter jet components in Peru. In 2024, the Philippines announced its interest in purchasing 40 jet fighters.

The KF-21 is currently being offered to the Polish Air Force, which has expressed interest in acquiring an additional 32 multirole fighters to strengthen its combat capabilities.

Potential Saudi involvement in the KF-21 fighter jet project has also been under discussion. In April 2025, the United Arab Emirates signed a letter of intent to further the cooperation on the program.

India’s AMCA Status

The AMCA (Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft) program in India is considered urgent due to the country’s declining fighter squadron strength, the modernization of rival air forces, and the need to maintain a technological edge in air combat.

The program aims to replace aging aircraft and introduce a fifth-generation fighter, addressing both operational and strategic requirements.

The IAF is down to 29 fighter squadrons vis-à-vis the sanctioned strength of 42, and several more are scheduled for retirement in the coming years. IAF was forced to stretch the MiG-21 aircraft fleet, and the last of these squadrons will wind down mid-September 2025.

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The Integrated Wind Tunnel (IWT) model of the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA)
The IAF plans to induct a total of 120 AMCA. This includes 40 AMCA Mk 1 (partially stealth) and 80 AMCA Mk 2 variants.

The single-seat, twin-engine, fifth-generation stealth, multirole AMCA is being designed by the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA), an aircraft design agency under the Ministry of Defence (MoD).

The AMCA is intended to perform a multitude of missions, including air supremacy, ground-strike, Suppression of Enemy Air defenses (SEAD), and electronic warfare (EW) missions. It is intended to supplant the Sukhoi Su-30MKI air superiority fighter, which forms the backbone of the IAF fighter fleet.

The AMCA design is optimized for low radar cross-section and super-cruise capability.

As of July 2025, the prototype development phase is underway after the completion of the feasibility study, preliminary design stage, and detailed design phase. The AMCA programme, originally launched in 2010 as a 20-tonne class fighter, is now a 25-tonne class fighter.

The design work was completed in 2023, and approval for the ₹15,000 crore (US$1.8 billion) project for prototype development was received from CCS in March 2024. A total of 5 prototypes are to be built. The first three prototypes will carry out developmental flight trials, whereas the next two will focus on weapon trials. The prototype will be rolled out every 8-9 months.

The initial plan was to form a Special Purpose Vehicle (SPV) consisting of ADA, Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), and a private company for the development and production of AMCA.

At the Aero India 2025, a full-scale engineering model of the AMCA was publicly demonstrated for the first time. As revealed during the event, ADA had laid out a 10-year development roadmap from the phase that began in April 2024.

The prototype rollout is planned for late 2028 or early 2029, followed by the first flight in 2028, certification by 2032, and induction in 2034. Each prototype will cost ₹1,000 crore (US$120 million).

Proposal for AMCA Industry Partnership Model

The government is yet to decide the production partner for the aircraft since ADA has proposed to hand over the responsibility to private sector companies rather than HAL, given the company’s “not-so-great delivery track record”.

Multiple meetings had been held, and HAL pushed for an additional assembly line dedicated to AMCA if required. Meanwhile, the government has shifted to an “industry partnership model” instead of the initial plans for SPV.

ADA’s push for changing the production partner is to avoid any further delays following setbacks from development funding and a lack of clearance from the US government for license production of engines. The private sector partner would be responsible for development, production, and lifetime maintenance of the jet and the aero-engine.

The MoD formed a panel to examine increasing the role of private sector companies in the development of the AMCA. A top-level committee has evaluated a “clear-cut strategy and production-cum-business model” to accelerate the development of AMCA.

The committee is tasked with devising a plan to “shrink timelines” to get AMCA from drawing board to air, as well as the high-thrust indigenous engine development. On 27 May 2025, the MoD cleared the “Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) Programme Execution Model”.

Under the model, the ADA will release an Expression of Interest (EOI) to develop AMCA through industry partnership. Both private and public sector companies can bid either as an independent entity or as a consortium or joint venture to get the contract.

As of now, the prototype rollout is expected by 2028-29, first flight by 2029, service introduction by 2034, and series production by 2035.

The HAL is reportedly set to evaluate responses from 24 companies to select a partner firm for the formation of a consortium. This consortium, structured under the public-private partnership (PPP) model, will subsequently bid to become the designated AMCA development consortium.

On 18 June 2025, the EOI was released by ADA, which is meant to shortlist Indian companies for prototype development, flight testing, and certification of the AMCA.

The document calls for “reputed” Indian companies that are compliant with Indian laws and are experienced in the aerospace and defence sector. The bidder has to establish dedicated facilities for the series production of the aircraft.

The bidder has to complete the development, prototyping, flight test, and certification of the AMCA within eight years of signing the contract. While the deadline of responding to the EOI is 16 August, before which a pre-EOI meeting is scheduled.

AMCA Success Strategic Imperative

Both Kaan and KF-21 have flown, but the programs have their limitations. The timelines are not very favourable. They are very heavily dependent on Western technology and systems.

The French Air Force does not currently operate any fifth-generation fighter aircraft. The Dassault Rafale is a highly advanced, 4.5-generation fighter with some stealth features. This could be India’s interim model by acquiring more F-4/5 variant Rafale.

AMCA’s early success is a strategic imperative for India, enhancing its air combat capabilities and reducing reliance on foreign platforms.

The AMCA is meant to provide a technological advantage over adversaries and enable India to compete in modern air warfare. The program aims to reduce reliance on foreign technology and boost indigenous aerospace capabilities.

India must quickly decide on a major private player to be the lead integrator. The integrator must then form a consortium of private industries, as has been done in most programs around the world.

Meeting the projected induction timeline of the AMCA is crucial to address the operational gaps and maintain a credible deterrent.

In essence, the AMCA is not just a fighter jet project; it’s a national security priority that requires swift and decisive action to maintain India’s aerial dominance and strategic posture.

In the race for fifth-generation fighter supremacy, India’s Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) stands out against Turkey’s TAI Kaan and South Korea’s KAI KF-21 due to its strategic emphasis on indigenous technology.

While all three programs reflect ambitious middle-power aspirations, the AMCA’s focus on self-reliance offers unique advantages in a geopolitically volatile world.
This author is either high or out of this mind and most likely both. Two planes are flying, one is already being inducted, and its stealth version will soon come which is KF-21. KAAN 2nd prototype will take flight soon although Türkiye needs to declare national emergency and speed up the work on the engine which they are working on to be integrated with KAAN, because USA will sanction them soon and therefore it can become a matter of life and death for India. As for AMCA that is not happening for next 15 years INSHALLAH.
 
The B-2 and F-35 uses most critical technology ( stealth capability ) from a TURK

He is a Turkish inventor, engineer and businessman
He was born in Türkiye and studied at the university in Türkiye

He founded Integrated Polymer Industries Inc in the USA which is the sole supplier the special coating material for these two Aircraft, the B-2 and F-35 ...... ( for stealth capabilities )

I have always source to prove my posts


 
The B-2 and F-35 uses most critical technology ( stealth capability ) from a TURK

He is a Turkish inventor, engineer and businessman
He was born in Türkiye and studied at the university in Türkiye

He founded Integrated Polymer Industries Inc in the USA which is the sole supplier the special coating material for these two Aircraft, the B-2 and F-35 ...... ( for stealth capabilities )

I have always source to prove my posts


Lol in your Next post you claim that you design developed B-2 AND F-35 not Northrop Grumman and Lockheed Martin and in your other Next post you will even claim Turkiye did first flight of heavier than air flying machine in 1903 not USA did it lol

You're being reported for off topic discussions you troll
 
if civil discourse on differing opinions is not a possibility, its better to take a time out

@NGAD IS THE BEST @MMM-E

Kicking you off the thread for 3 days, kindly utilize the time to cool down and decompress
Wrong and obviously biased perspective from you. From the very beginning, the arrogant @NGADisthebest, who was rude, even when asked to moderate the discussion. MMM-E calmly explained this by saying that NGAD will know the motor even after a year
 
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if civil discourse on differing opinions is not a possibility, its better to take a time out

@NGAD IS THE BEST @MMM-E

Kicking you off the thread for 3 days, kindly utilize the time to cool down and decompress


In fact I would kindly ask you to close this thread!

It is a purely hypothetical topic anyway and we all see this thread became nothing but a playground for boasting Turkish propaganda, insulting others (esp. China) and by now we are already far off from anything that has a meaning to thsi topic!

Why this is even in the Indian Air Force section is an even more bigger mystery to me.
 
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