An Incident happened today ...Made me really wonder...

[vsdoc]

Shias would rather become Sunni than have a Hindu Bharti speak for them

Really?

And who made you spokesperson of all of them?

Cheers, Doc

 

[arjunk]

Really?

And who made you spokesperson of all of them?

Cheers, Doc

You are free to any Shia who is not an Iranian diaspora ex tomato, and they will answer the same.

 

[vsdoc]

You are free to any Shia who is not an Iranian diaspora ex tomato, and they will answer the same.

But that would be as anecdotal as your "trust me bro" so I would pass.

I actually do have many Shia friends in the real world, and have a fair idea of their politics and world view, hence I challenged you.

Both Indian and second and third generation Iranian emigres, as well as Iranians currently residing here (biker friends and their girlfriends).

Cheers, Doc

 

[arjunk]

I actually do have many Shia friends in the real world, and have a fair idea of their politics and world view, hence I challenged you.

Both Indian and second and third generation Iranian emigres, as well as Iranians currently residing here (biker friends and their girlfriends).

Indian Muslims, regardless of sect, tend to go out of their way to prove loyalty to India by hating on Pakistan. This can be seen, for example, in their silence over Kashmir next door but outrage over Uighurs and Gaza 4000km away.

You can ask Iranians what they think about Iranian emigres.

Living in Karachi there is no shortage of Shias including multiple childhood friends and their extended families. Only wokeiyas who spend all day on wikipedia twitter and reddit think Shias are going to be genocided.

 

[Khansaheeb]

Even

Last night I happened to get a message. It was from a physician (Palestinian) who also happens to be Spiritual Guide I recently met him few times

The person shared a video on Palestine (general public discussion), how Genocide is taking place there and how no Muslim Countries have come to help for Palestinian Cause Diplomatically or otherwise. The video stated Palestinians are on their own, guarding the Aqsa Mosque and they have protected the Holy Lands even before the 1900 with same Dedication. Obviously the person concerned for his countrymen/women

But his words hit it hard when he said, where is the Muslim Nations when it comes to protecting the Holy Land or protect the people from such genocide.

I kept wondering all day how to Explain to poor man , that Pakistan's whole Elder leadership is in Prison for past 150 days and we don't have the capacity (As Nation) to offer even condolences or encouragement to people who lost lives (women /children / elderly or other poor souls caught in cross fire)


In end I said ...

The only thing I could say was I agree I wish there was more solidarity in representing the case of Palestinian people on Global Arena

People do care dearly and you know most people believe in Human Rights and freedom to live , have home, jobs and family. People do care about their suffering.

But for large portion of 2 hours, I was just confused how to explain to him the scenario happening in Pakistan - How can I explain to the guy whose own people are facing genocide that out here in Pakistan things are grim our own Police in Pakistan is picking up people.

I wish I could assure him that Pakistan is 100% behind this cause to help the folks suffering in Palestine in these harsh times.

Such matters can be only solved at State Level or UN Level.

It really left some conflicting thought ...what a terrible time to have this crisis in Pakistan.

"I kept wondering all day how to Explain to poor man , that Pakistan's whole Elder leadership is in Prison for past 150 days "- Even if they were out of prison I doubt it would make any difference for the Palestinians, there is little "Insaniat" or "Islamiat" left in Pakistan , only pretence for money and corruption, this is the sad sad reality of Pakistan, we suffered a moral genocide long long time ago when we aceded to IMF monetary slaughter of our people and sectarian economic violence on our own people, for power and money. Even now as the bodies of Palestinian women and children rot in the streets of Gaza our politicians and generals happily shake the dirty and blooded hands of genociders and their abbetors.

 

[marj786]

See, that's why Iranians and Pakistani Shia live in fear. You wish to exterminate their faith. I am sure your Khilafat, just like ISIS would be purely Sunni.

If you feel unity is so important why don't you support a Shia Khilafat? Would Sunnis live under it's rule?

I only said khilafat, it's you with hatred in his heart who started talking shia sunni ,i only said Muslims ,

 

[marj786]

LOL because dreams of Khilafat (of any variety) are just that -- childish dreams.

It has existed since the beginning of Islam and it shall exist again insha'Allah. So no it isn't a dream it's remembering of past.

 

[peagle]

He would have made a bunch of speeches but nothing consequential.

Remember how he sat down like a good little boy when the Saudis told him not to attend the meeting with Mahatir and Erdogan?

You're just repeating what I said, but there's no issue of a good little boy or anything of the sort. That's just redundant thinking.

You do what you can within your remit, it is shameful if you can't even do that, which the present setup is guilty of. Regarding the Saudis, we all know they are a power base within the Muslim world, but it wasn't the Saudis who mattered, it was the Wardi with the shinning paraphernalia.
No matter what, no matter how powerful you are, if you don't have self respect, and fold like a deck of cards, the world will never take you seriously. So it's the Wardi, not the Saudis, not the Americans, not anyone else, if anyone hasn't realised that then they are just guilty of negligence.

The wardi is the driver of strategic national policy in Pakistan, when they take a stance on national issues, the country stands behind them, including the politicians, it has always achieved results, despite tremendous pressure.

The Americans imposed sanctions during the 1965 war, and ended those only in 1982. Those sanctions continued for two reasons.
The Americans wanted Pakistan to cool it's relations with China, this isn't a new issue. Pakistan refused. In the seventies, the nuclear issue was central to the continuation of those sanctions.
Did Pakistan cool it's relations with China, or stop developing nuclear weapons?

The Americans, and the West have done their damn best to stop Pakistan from acquiring nuclear weapons, including further sanctions from 1990 to 2002.
Does Pakistan have nuclear weapons?

The same pressure regime was put into place to stop Pakistan from developing a missile program. Does Pakistan have nuclear missiles?

The Americans, and the West spent 15 years barking "Do More" till they developed a sore throat.
Did Pakistan act according to its own interest, or did they fold flat?

Pakistan is the main party behind the non ratification of Nuclear Fissile Material cutoff Treaty, Pakistan has faced tremendous pressure, including directly from American presidents, Pakistan has refused to sign it.
The same pressure was applied regarding the NPT treaty.
Did Pakistan sign it?


I find this self loathing Randi rona of Pakistanis a bit tiresome, everything is boiled down to it's raw crass parts.
Pakistan is fully capable of taking strong positions, but for that to happen the country needs to bring about internal stability, it has nothing to do with others having Godly powers.

 

[VCheng]

Also a pointless discussion to have since neither Pakistan nor Palestine truly has direct links or interactions besides the token hellos and mythology of brotherhood.

If there was a practice of brotherhood along the lines of what Pakistanis allege it would not have led to the Palestinians actively assisting India in undermining Pakistan’s interests with Kashmir at times because of their relationship with India - nor would it have led to Arafat helping the Al Zulfiqar group(morally correct or not is moot) plan a hijacking.

Finally, the Palestinians themselves have accepted a corrupt PLO and willingly let Al Aqsa be a very neglected site - Israel notwithstanding and at the end when the snake that is hamas was let loose by the two I’s they are now the ones being slaughtered for it.

Technically, Hamas and the right wing Israelis had a twisted symbiotic relationship - until they had the October 7 incident.,, where there was a bit of commonality with Pakistan.. in that it turned out to be the Kargil misadventure of theirs in some ways. Same issue of unclear orders and overly ambitious junior commanders crossing lines that led to the usual Israeli response of scorched earth and now they have their excuse to commit any excesses they want.

Eventually, this either kicks off a wider conflict or results in resumption of settlements in Gaza - wither Pakistan, Turkey or Saudi Arabia to do much about it because nobody wants to take on the United States which will step in if anyone tries anything beyond words.

I wonder how many here would remember Yasser Arafat as a recipient of the Nehru Award.

 

[MastanKhan]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/iranian-woman-whipped-74-times-181111912.html

Hi,

An iranian woman gets whipped 74 time for not wearing hijab---.

How disgusting a nation iran has become---. Here they were yelling death to israel a few days ago---but when they saw the israelis strike Gaza---the great Imam of the iranians has gone silent---and all the brave iranian islamic warriors have gone into hiding in their homes---for fear rthat the israelis might find them in the open---.

And yet---innocent iranian women face the wrath of the fanatics---.

 

[MastanKhan]

He would have made a bunch of speeches but nothing consequential.

Remember how he sat down like a good little boy when the Saudis told him not to attend the meeting with Mahatir and Erdogan?

Hi,

How about now---the great iranian revolutionary guard warriors had the chance to take on the israelis after the hamas attack---.

But silence only--- only beating of women who don't wear hijab---.

That is what the great muslim shia iranian warrior is good for----beating up innocent women---rather than taking on the arch enemy israel---.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Unfortunately, there is only reality is being a Muslim.

• Shia /Sunni is an illusion.....

All people are created equal, in eyes of Allah all mighty

Genocide in Palestine sees no Shia /Sunni , the loss of life is that of Muslim Palestinian
or even any life lost is values too


All these other petty issues , are just petty issues between nations beyond that ...which can be fixed

Iran is shai , boo hooo hoo ? Who cares they are .......Muslims in end

If I am Sunni , (so what ...does it make me better human ?No)


The only reality is the Genocide in Palestine does it care ? who is getting killed ?


Hopefully the madness end with international community pressure

 

[MastanKhan]

Unfortunately, there is only reality is being a Muslim.

Shia /Sunni is an illusion.
All people are created equal, in eyes of Allah all mighty

Genocide in Palestine sees no Shia /Sunni , the loss of life is that of Muslim Palestinian
or even any life lost is values too


All these other petty issues , are just petty issues between nations beyond that ...which can be fixed

Iran is shai , boo hooo hoo ? Who cares they are .......Muslims in end

If I am Sunni , (so what ...does it make me better human ?No)


The only reality is the Genocide in Palestine does it care ? who is getting killed ?


Hopefully the madness end with international community pressure

Hi,

Shia / Sunni is a reality just like Israel controls Jerusalem---.

The reality is that we all have our own nations---with our national boundries, passports and identities.

Hamas should have know what the israelis would do---special with Netanyahu in power---. WTF was hamas leadership really thinking that Netayahu really give them a pass and do nothing in return---.

Pepole---Palestine is done and dusted as a nation that we knew of---.

It will be NO MORE in due time---.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

I understand your point of view.

Valid point no doubt , all conflicts start abruptly and unsure what lead to this sudden flair up

Don't see Irani people as different then any other Muslim

However, I am afraid the Palestine and it's people will remain forever Present.
Similarly, the Muslims of World will always have claim to the holy land.

They have protected the Holy places for past 1900+ years. They do take ample pride in being the residents of Holy Land

Most of the Arabic world , and most Muslim world back the claim of Palestinian people

• However a 2 state solution is only way forward

This view of 2 state is endorsed by Arab world , China, Russia and even most of Europe even USA
It is just matter of creating it

 

[Khansaheeb]

Last night I happened to get a message. It was from a physician (Palestinian) who also happens to be Spiritual Guide I recently met him few times

The person shared a video on Palestine (general public discussion), how Genocide is taking place there and how no Muslim Countries have come to help for Palestinian Cause Diplomatically or otherwise. The video stated Palestinians are on their own, guarding the Aqsa Mosque and they have protected the Holy Lands even before the 1900 with same Dedication. Obviously the person concerned for his countrymen/women

But his words hit it hard when he said, where is the Muslim Nations when it comes to protecting the Holy Land or protect the people from such genocide.

I kept wondering all day how to Explain to poor man , that Pakistan's whole Elder leadership is in Prison for past 150 days and we don't have the capacity (As Nation) to offer even condolences or encouragement to people who lost lives (women /children / elderly or other poor souls caught in cross fire)


In end I said ...

The only thing I could say was I agree I wish there was more solidarity in representing the case of Palestinian people on Global Arena

People do care dearly and you know most people believe in Human Rights and freedom to live , have home, jobs and family. People do care about their suffering.

But for large portion of 2 hours, I was just confused how to explain to him the scenario happening in Pakistan - How can I explain to the guy whose own people are facing genocide that out here in Pakistan things are grim our own Police in Pakistan is picking up people.

I wish I could assure him that Pakistan is 100% behind this cause to help the folks suffering in Palestine in these harsh times.

Such matters can be only solved at State Level or UN Level.

It really left some conflicting thought ...what a terrible time to have this crisis in Pakistan.

It's all planned with the enemies of the Pakistani people.