Are Turkey and Israel Heading Toward Confrontation?

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Turkey will simply overwhelm the Israelis with their loitering munitions and so many types of drones at scale. Not to mention, Turkey is also producing ballistic missiles lately. They have been developing cruise missiles for long too.

Unlike Iran, Turkey has much better air defense. As far as Israel is concerned, it has perhaps world's best air defense but it too has a limit. Secondly, Israel is a tiny land mass versus Turkey is a huge one with favorable terrain for the turkish side. Millions of places to hide their mobile air defense units and mobile cruise missile launchers. The forces size comparison again is massively in favor of Turkey. As far as Turkish missiles are concerned, you cannot claim they are not a fraction of Iran's. Turkey is rapidly building much more sophisticated BMs and CMs.

In air to air combat, I agree Israel has definite advantage. But Turkish F-4s won't be playing any part anyways.

But key part, is Turkish drones, they will come at scale and production that expensive Israeli AD won't be able to sustain and match. Those one-way loitering munitions, followed up with CMs / BMs will do damage.

Israel will significantly be destroyed after its war with Turkey unlike Iran which has very few options against Israel. Another disadvantage of Iranian side is the distance. Iran has to use IRBMs to attack Israel, each one is very expensive its like a space rocket and likely ended up being intercepted. Turkey is relatively close and has a lot more angle of attack from air, ground, and naval side.

So while Israel has definite advantage in air to air combat. It has no means to match turkish firepower otherwise in other areas.

You are forgetting that Turkiye doesn't have underground missile cities like Iran.... you can't also compare the scale with Iran.... they have built all this capabilities from decades....

we have seen Iran and it's missile cities are almost equipped with endless drones and missiles and they are very hard to destroy.... Turkey doesn't have this luxury and yes shorter distance is actually a disadvantage for Turkiye where IAF will not require refueling in the air or they can go more close and fire their SOWs with more accuracy.....

Size of the country doesn't matter... Iran is twice big the size of Turkiye still Israel could hit anywhere they wanted....

If Turkiye is getting better angle of attack at air, land and from naval side then same advantage goes to Israel as well and that too with much better striking platforms.....

For Israel as of now Turkiye is same a challenge as Iran... only additional arm with Turkiye is its airforce which is not a big challenge for Israel if they go for a determined attack.....

 

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Turkey has advanced indigenous AD that will shoot down any Israeli aircraft barring F-35. Something Iran simply did not have. And the mass production of these systems are only increasing.

Turkish F-16 with Ogzur modernization is as much capable as Israeli F-16s.

And more importantly, Turkey's advanced stealth UAVs like Anka-3 and KE that are reaching mass production now will be quite competitive against Israeli 4th gen fighters when networked with manned assets.

Not to mentioned Turk has recently invested billions in mass production of highly capable ballistic and cruise missiles. Bora, Tayfun, SOM & Atmaca. And many other smaller systems.

Indians dreaming of israel steamrolling Turkiye as futile as them dreaming of steamrolling Pakistan.

Down the line Turkey will have its own 5th gen fighters and submarine. Israel knows its window of relative superiority is closing. This is probably the best time as some of the critical Turkish capabilities are still development and production phase. (Not operational in large number)

But once they have 40 typhoons, 40 KAAN with F110 engine, 50 Anka-3 and 50 KE operational, and Ogzur mordanziaiton completed by early 2030s, military option against Turkiye would not be technically viable for Israel anymore. Right it is not economically and geopoliticaly viable.

Isreal too has a homemade and actually battle hardened air-defence.... why you guys keep saying Turkish air-defence very advanced and can shoot down anything in IAF except F35? Have we seen the Turkish air-defence performance in any live war? Or you are saying it just because it's a Muslim country and you like it?

 

[K2RULEZ]

Indians cheerleading of Ijrail...

"Saaaaaar, Ijrail always unbeatable!!! Türkiye will be damolished! Saaaaar, jero cantest! Ijrail suparpawar!"

 

[Nimble]

Turkey has advanced indigenous AD that will shoot down any Israeli aircraft barring F-35. Something Iran simply did not have. And the mass production of these systems are only increasing.

Turkish F-16 with Ogzur modernization is as much capable as Israeli F-16s.

And more importantly, Turkey's advanced stealth UAVs like Anka-3 and KE that are reaching mass production now will be quite competitive against Israeli 4th gen fighters when networked with manned assets.

Not to mentioned Turk has recently invested billions in mass production of highly capable ballistic and cruise missiles. Bora, Tayfun, SOM & Atmaca. And many other smaller systems.

Indians dreaming of israel steamrolling Turkiye as futile as them dreaming of steamrolling Pakistan.

Down the line Turkey will have its own 5th gen fighters and submarine. Israel knows its window of relative superiority is closing. This is probably the best time as some of the critical Turkish capabilities are still development and production phase. (Not operational in large number)

But once they have 40 typhoons, 40 KAAN with F110 engine, 50 Anka-3 and 50 KE operational, and Ogzur mordanziaiton completed by early 2030s, military option against Turkiye would not be technically viable for Israel anymore. Right it is not economically and geopoliticaly viable.

Apart from this don't bring Turkish future or underdevelopment projects into discussion, they will have stealth UAVs, they will have typhoons, they will have KAAN.... this doesn't make any sense.... and Israel if really wants to fight Turkiye then he is not stupid to wait for Turkiye to complete and then induct everything in numbers....

in my first post itself I have said as of today Turkiye though a regional power is not a that big challenge for Israel....

 

[SABRE]

Satanyahu fights those whom he assumes cannot fight back. Erdogan has good mic skills but no dance moves. This war is unlikely to happen.

 

[K2RULEZ]

Apart from this don't bring Turkish future or underdevelopment projects into discussion, they will have stealth UAVs, they will have typhoons, they will have KAAN.... this doesn't make any sense.... and Israel if really wants to fight Turkiye then he is not stupid to wait for Turkiye to complete and then induct everything in numbers....

in my first post itself I have said as of today Turkiye though a regional power is not a that big challenge for Israel....

"Saaaaar, Türkiye jero challenge phor Ijrail!! Khaaan phighter no prablem phor Ijrail! Nimble cheerlead phor Ijrail. Phull sappooort phor Ijrail! "