Azerbaijan Air Force Becomes Fourth Operator of JF-17 Fighter Aircraft, President Aliyev Confirms

I have to say this is a bit odd since Blk-3 can work much more effectively if it is part of the Pakistan / China's eco system. Anyways, if this is what Azer--jan wants then so be it - it is their money.
It makes sense when you consider the fact that Azerbaijan wants a modern platform, and weapons from a reliable partner. It helps them increase relations with Pakistan, and allows them to have a reliable supplier of bombs in the form of Turkiye.
 
I'm sorry, what? Have none of you even heard about the Ozgur?
Dear
I'm saying it takes significant time & effort ( even external support i.e from CASIC) to install and validate the sensors into air frame
What is new in JF17 B3
Just sensor modification but it took significant time.Now things are well freezed.
Now you are asking us to go back to square one.And put that much effort again for Turkish sensors? It doesn't really make sense.
It's not just radar it self.
Can the Turkish radar fit inside JF17 radome.if yes are there sufficient support systems there in JF17? Like if Turkish radar has Liquid Cooled mechanism, there will be no space for Liquid Cooling Mechanism in Thunder.
And is Turkey willing to produce a Air Cooled AESA radar version for just 40 units of thunder?

There is whole Pandora box of things.Let's not go there.
 
Dear
I'm saying it takes significant time & effort ( even external support i.e from CASIC) to install and validate the sensors into air frame
What is new in JF17 B3
Just sensor modification but it took significant time.Now things are well freezed.
Now you are asking us to go back to square one.And put that much effort again for Turkish sensors? It doesn't really make sense.
It's not just radar it self.
Can the Turkish radar fit inside JF17 radome.if yes are there sufficient support systems there in JF17? Like if Turkish radar has Liquid Cooled mechanism, there will be no space for Liquid Cooling Mechanism in Thunder.
And is Turkey willing to produce a Air Cooled AESA radar version for just 40 units of thunder?

There is whole Pandora box of things
Of course it's gonna take time? Why does everyone think this is gonna happen over night? Even if the vanilla version of the blk iii is transfered, it'll still take a few years to fulfill the full order.

Okay, maybe I'm just tried, but arguing this is genuinely annoying the shit out of me, so I'm ending this here.
 
Turkey has developed its own AESA radar, and is in fact developing an entire 5th generation fighter jet, a missile equivalent to the Meteor — so radar, etc, yes.

Turkey will add an AESA on its own F-16 fleet during the modernisation program coming up.
Untested and unproven in battle

Pak/China solution is battle tested and proven against the best of what the whole of Europe has to offer.
 
Untested and unproven in battle

Pak/China solution is battle tested and proven against the best of what the whole of Europe has to offer.
Of course but Turkish ties with Azerbaijan are particularly strong and they may want to promote Turkish avionics on the project, could go either way
 
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Is GIDS getting some deal out of this 4.2B USD agreement for ground strike munitions?
B/c our strength should be Ground strike munitions with thunder .Otherwise big chunk of profit will go in chinese pockets.
 
They're going for a Turkified JF-17, so it will have Turkish sensors and weapons.

In other words, it's a 50/50 on if they get PL-15E and CM400AKG, but I'd say there is a strong possibility that they'll opt solely for Turkish missiles as a more reliable and long term solution.

That integration work also means that PAF can operate Turkish missiles as well, so it adds more tactical capability and resilience in war if a missile is compromised(countered) as you have other choices.
 
I have to say this is a bit odd since Blk-3 can work much more effectively if it is part of the Pakistan / China's eco system. Anyways, if this is what Azer--jan wants then so be it - it is their money.

It will continue to operate both Chinese and Turkish munitions unless of course the radar is changed, which i don't think it will be. I think it is just munitions integration work.
 
this is great news

my only question is will Azerbaijan get things like PL-15 and CM-400 AKG ?

btw this sale can pay for the J35 purchase from China for Pakistan
PL-15E is exported to the outside world and Azerbaijan can certainly buy it. Only it may not be the same as the PAF version.

But Armenia has only 12 Su-25s. what does Azerbaijan need PL-15s for?
 
The Azerbaijani deal benefits three countries: Pakistan, Azerbaijan, and Turkey.
Pakistan will benefit from funding the development of the JF-17 and support the Pakistani economy.
Also, in the event of renewed conflict with India, Pakistan could exploit some of these aircraft for its war with India. The Pakistanis may benefit from purchasing the J-35 by using its engine in upgraded versions of the JF-17, providing performance similar to that of the J-10C in the PFX version under development.
In other words, purchasing Azerbaijan, in light of an undeclared tripartite alliance between the three countries, constitutes full support for the three countries.
Especially since there are rumors that the Indians are preparing for a new round of war with Pakistan in less than three months, we see Pakistan announcing that it will acquire a variety of new Chinese weapons as a deterrent message to India to halt its plans for a new war with Pakistan.
Azerbaijan will quickly acquire the aircraft. Pakistan's size will certainly include a large arms package, Pakistani cruise missiles, and possibly other unannounced weapons. Pakistan has also previously supported Azerbaijan with two JF-17 aircraft. Azerbaijan will also benefit from the JF-17 development program, a mid-term program, as funding is available to Pakistan to develop this aircraft, especially since the project has begun to generate profits with a real customer in good numbers, allowing Pakistan to spend on development without straining the Pakistani budget.
The Turks, in the event of any conflict, may use Azerbaijani aircraft and PL-15 missiles.
Turkey remains unable to obtain fighter jets quickly, and the Turkish F-4s have been destroyed. In the event of any war, it will be unable to provide anything.
The Turks, at the same time, will quickly obtain the GE F-404 engines, so the entry of the Hurjet aircraft will take years.
Likewise, there is no confirmation that the KAAN aircraft will enter service before 2030.
It may enter service in 2035.
The entry of 40 F-16V aircraft will take three years.
Therefore, a squadron of Azerbaijani aircraft serving Turkey in the event of a conflict with Greece, for example, would be important. For Turkey, it's a deal that benefits three countries. The Turks may deny it out of respect for their dignity, but in reality, this option is very important to them because they have no real alternative. This could be confirmed if Azerbaijan decides to purchase a number of J-10C or J-35AE aircraft. The Turkish Air Force's unannounced support with JF-17 aircraft will be even more certain. At that time, supporting Turkey with JF-17 aircraft will not affect Azerbaijan's combat capabilities. At the same time, the deterrent and performance capabilities of fighters like the J-10C/J-35A will be able to outperform the Armenian SU-30 aircraft.
 
JF-17 is basically a single seat version of MiG-29. It uses very similar engines. Azerbaijan being a small country don't need a mid size plane like MiG-29. JF-17 is sufficient.
Relax man dont go full bazinga. Jf17 is way better than mig 29. Because of engine u gonna mock jeffs ? U are something arent you ?
 
JF-17 is basically a single seat version of MiG-29. It uses very similar engines. Azerbaijan being a small country don't need a mid size plane like MiG-29. JF-17 is sufficient.
The domestic Chinese Engine for the JF17 has also matured so eventually the russian engine will be replaced in the future
 
Relax man dont go full bazinga. Jf17 is way better than mig 29. Because of engine u gonna mock jeffs ? U are something arent you ?
Hi,

This change in air combat technique that was in use by larger air forces has now become available to the smaller air forces as well since Bunyaan al Marsoos.

One aircraft is carrying the weapons load---other assets / aircraft farther behind and ground equipment are looking at the enemy assets---the weapon is targeted and locked by 'other assets' that could also push the trigger to launch the weapon---from way beyond a point called BVR+BVR---otherwise know as way beyond over yonder---.

Now in this scenario---the size of the launch aircraft means nothing---it is just a carrier---its job is just to be in the front---size does not matter at all here---. It is the "death ray" that it carries matters more---.

That is what Gripen had been crying out all that time---but no one was listening to them other than the PAF---.
 
If you Google Map "Nasossnaya Airbase", it looks like a lot of construction work is being done in and around the base.

What are these structures?

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Hardened aircraft shelters.

Below is satellite imagery comparing 2025 and early 2024 I believe, you can see old ones have been renovated + new ones built/being built.

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Overall, the airbase seem to have been practically re-built (and the work is still ongoing)

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Azeribajian Air Force might as well grab some AWACS as well either Chinese or battle tested erieye
 

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