Azerbaijan Air Force Becomes Fourth Operator of JF-17 Fighter Aircraft, President Aliyev Confirms

[Awwad]

This is a discussion forum. There is a saying you may find helpful, or perhaps not if particularly arrogant:

Aristotle wrote, "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."



There are some people on this forum who understand the zionist threat to the Islamic world and appreciate the lengths, overt and covert, it is willing to tread in order to undermine islamic nations and the Islamic faith in order to achieve its ultimate goal. Happy for you to disagree.

It's called delusional disorder coupled with naivety. Difficult to treat so i've stopped bothering



Missed the point entirely.

maybe



I'll engage in a discussion once you've learnt some manners. However, we get your points that are legitimate arguments against my hypothesis.

When an individual acknowledges some degree of paranoia, it is not always clinically relevant.

The countries which are establishing defense ties with Pakistan should be important. There aren't many. Pakistan is not like France, UK or USA which are selling weapons to everybody. I mean the handful of countries where you are getting trust should be appreciated and expand on it. Instead you are looking the countries with suspicion the same ones which are doing defense ties with Pakistan.

The Azeris JF-17s and Israel are totally different topics, they are absolutely non-related. Its good for Pakistan as more production means more $$$ and some of that $$ is then used in R & D and further development. Its good for Azeris because it strengthen their airforce against their neighbors. There's no Israeli angle to this story. That's why I said about "paranoia". I didn't mean to be disrespectful. But you cooked up a conspiracy theory that's why I have to brought it up. I understand you hate Israel, most people do because of their genocidal approach. They way they are bombing Gaza & Lebanon. Pakistan would be the most f-ck up country if it suspends its own defense deals because of mere suspicions. If you just think on it for few minutes, you will realize yourself that whatever you said is crazy. Israel has a lot in its plate right now, Hamas, Hezbullah, Houthis, Syria, Iran. It really isn't even thinking about Pakistan. Pakistan isn't doing anything at all against Israel and it won't do anything at all. Infact, Pakistani establishment is very keen for a long time to establish relationship with Israel.

 

[Snake]

I do not trust Azerbaijan.

They are far too close to the Israelis.
Israelis have their eye on Pakistan.
This means, they have their eyes on our defence equipment for analysis....

They are relentless planners. I wouldn't put it past them asking Azerbaijan to buy a small qty for that very purpose esp. If they come with EW packages...call me paranoid...

Also recall where Iranian president died...

So what? You don't sound paranoid you sound fearful of them. Azeris just won a great victory against Armenia and they're a Muslim nation. If Pakistan can't sell them weapons out of fear it will benefit the zionists more. Have you considered the Israelis would prefer to sell their own (recommended) equipment to Azerbaijan?

 

[MastanKhan]

• #278

Hi,

In this day and age---or any other age---people talk about their knowledge and "special" information they have to gain advantage---to look important---. It is just the human nature---.

Even those who work in place where confidentiality is extremely important---they also talk---maybe amongst themselves and whisper something out as a favor or importance---or just simply leak out information---a slip of tongue.

That is just the human nature---maybe just the "american nature "---but talk they do.

When pakistan bought used F16's from the Jordanians---it came as a surprise to many---very few knew about it---.

Same thing with the J-10C's---public knew about it at the very last minute---.

Same thing with the J31 / 35---if the Paf had not released the info---no one would have known.

 

[Dreamer]

The countries which are establishing defense ties with Pakistan should be important. There aren't many. Pakistan is not like France, UK or USA which are selling weapons to everybody. I mean the handful of countries where you are getting trust should be appreciated and expand on it. Instead you are looking the countries with suspicion the same ones which are doing defense ties with Pakistan.

The Azeris JF-17s and Israel are totally different topics, they are absolutely non-related. Its good for Pakistan as more production means more $$$ and some of that $$ is then used in R & D and further development. Its good for Azeris because it strengthen their airforce against their neighbors. There's no Israeli angle to this story. That's why I said about "paranoia". I didn't mean to be disrespectful. But you cooked up a conspiracy theory that's why I have to brought it up. I understand you hate Israel, most people do because of their genocidal approach. They way they are bombing Gaza & Lebanon. Pakistan would be the most f-ck up country if it suspends its own defense deals because of mere suspicions. If you just think on it for few minutes, you will realize yourself that whatever you said is crazy. Israel has a lot in its plate right now, Hamas, Hezbullah, Houthis, Syria, Iran. It really isn't even thinking about Pakistan. Pakistan isn't doing anything at all against Israel and it won't do anything at all. Infact, Pakistani establishment is very keen for a long time to establish relationship with Israel.

I am not against selling JF-17 to azerbaijan per se but this is the MOST delusional post I have ever read. Does the word 'Ostrich' mean anything to you?

@Liquidator isn't the only one to raise this. Concerns about israeli connection have been raised on these forums for several years since the first time rumours of Azeri interest in JF17 started. You can go and read those threads.

 

[JohnWick]

• #278

Hi,

In this day and age---or any other age---people talk about their knowledge and "special" information they have to gain advantage---to look important---. It is just the human nature---.

Even those who work in place where confidentiality is extremely important---they also talk---maybe amongst themselves and whisper something out as a favor or importance---or just simply leak out information---a slip of tongue.

That is just the human nature---maybe just the "american nature "---but talk they do.

When pakistan bought used F16's from the Jordanians---it came as a surprise to many---very few knew about it---.

Same thing with the J-10C's---public knew about it at the very last minute---.

Same thing with the J31 / 35---if the Paf had not released the info---no one would have known.

But @Deino know it since a long time ago Even when J-10C was on papers it is another fact that he keeps declining it till the last minute

 

[Awwad]

I am not against selling JF-17 to azerbaijan per se but this is the MOST delusional post I have ever read. Does the word 'Ostrich' mean anything to you?

@Liquidator isn't the only one to raise this. Concerns about israeli connection have been raised on these forums for several years since the first time rumours of Azeri interest in JF17 started. You can go and read those threads.

LOL! is this a geo political thread?? How on earth Azeri JF-17s are related with Israel ?????? Tell me.

Why don't you people bother on using bit of mind before posting anything?

When I said Azerbaijan has no relationship with Israel? Azerbaijan and all the other central asian countries ( --tan's) have good relations with Israel. The problem is you guys don't know where to outburst your frustration, don't know the direction either that's why questioning & putting suspicions on an export of Jeffs to a brotherly nation of Pakistan. Don't mix their relations with Israel with Azeris JF-17s. You can start a geo-political thread and do a relevant discussion over there.

 

[Dreamer]

LOL! is this a geo political thread?? How on earth Azeri JF-17s are related with Israel ?????? Tell me.

Why don't you people bother on using bit of mind before posting anything?

When I said Azerbaijan has no relationship with Israel? Azerbaijan and all the other central asian countries ( --tan's) have good relations with Israel. The problem is you guys don't know where to outburst your frustration, don't know the direction either that's why questioning & putting suspicions on an export of Jeffs to a brotherly nation of Pakistan. Don't mix their relations with Israel with Azeris JF-17s. You can start a geo-political thread and do a relevant discussion over there.

Such a confused reply! I wasn't even saying all the things you seems to be attributing to me. Looks like you're simply assuming stuff in your own mind and then answering your own assumptions.
Typical delusional behaviour.

And the post is entirely relevant to the thread as it's related to JF-17's sale to azerbaijan.

 

[Awwad]

And the post is entirely relevant to the thread as it's related to JF-17's sale to azerbaijan.

I see now your fragile ego is hurt lol. Calling "delusional", "confused". Everybody can see who's confused here.

You are calling me delusional but you are spectacularly failing to explain this part. Enlighten everybody how Azeris JF-17s are related with Israel ??

 

[Oscar]

I am not against selling JF-17 to azerbaijan per se but this is the MOST delusional post I have ever read. Does the word 'Ostrich' mean anything to you?

@Liquidator isn't the only one to raise this. Concerns about israeli connection have been raised on these forums for several years since the first time rumours of Azeri interest in JF17 started. You can go and read those threads.

You first PAF F-16 pilots trained with Israelis in the US
You bought spares and flight computers from Israel during embargo times.

Dont confuse trade with compromise - the Azeri relationship with Israel is isolated from what Pakistan has done - and if you do work in the same room there are boundaries and legal contracts that keep it that way.

The Israelis are professional enough in that environment to know that and so does Pakistan

Let’s stick to the equipment and sales should first look into where and how where you work is impacted by Israeli connections before talking about isolation or not selling to this or that or never having McDonalds again.

 

[Muji.Iqbal]

Photos coming soon.

Alot of misinformation in this thread:

Post in thread 'Trio of JF-17s Land in Azerbaijan For ADEX 2024 !'

Sep 24, 2024

Pakistan has sent 3 JF-17 Thunders to Baku, Azerbaijan for the ADEX Defence Exposition 2024. These include 2 Block 2s and 1 Block 3 jets. The package also includes the very JF-17 Block 2 aircraft that dropped Takbir bombs in IOK on Feb 27th, 2019.

• FOOLS_NIGHTMARE

• 

These are not PAF aircraft and they did not come for ADEX. ADEX opening ceremony was yesterday, attended by president, and there was no display of JF-17 neither on ground nor in the air.

I mean the title itself is misinformation.

Anyway, 100% confirmed. JF-17 Block 3 of Azerbaijani airforce was presented to Azerbaijani president today.

The source is state news agency.

Thats great to hear. the JF-17 is a great project and good to see Muslim unity as well.

 

[TR_123456]

Iranian members even insult Pakistan here, why are you surprised?

What I object is being silenced from replying to them, while they can write everything they wish. Last time I checked, this is not an Iranian forum (in which case I would not have bothered to even register, since you know what to expect).

Yeah its the same shit as on the old forum.
Dont take them to serious,nothing but a bunch of mullahs calling themselves ''the defenders of Muslims'' but infact they did nothing but blah blah.
Some idiots here are sectarian,thats why they prefer Iran over Pakistan,just do your thing and if anyone of those mullahs attack you or your country again tag me.

 

[Reichmarshal]

You first PAF F-16 pilots trained with Israelis in the US
You bought spares and flight computers from Israel during embargo times.

Dont confuse trade with compromise - the Azeri relationship with Israel is isolated from what Pakistan has done - and if you do work in the same room there are boundaries and legal contracts that keep it that way.

The Israelis are professional enough in that environment to know that and so does Pakistan

Let’s stick to the equipment and sales should first look into where and how where you work is impacted by Israeli connections before talking about isolation or not selling to this or that or never having McDonalds again.

Not to forget both the afg wars where their was lots of usreali equipment n personal in Pak to train n assist.......if the isrealis were not being being downright stupid then we have alot more things in common then one can imagine

 

[Qaraca]

That's not the point and I'm well aware, that we - aka Western OSINT nerds like me - do not know everything, often enough lack a certain understanding, but being critical, asking for proof and not jumping the wagon whenever a fan-boy (and that's not meant against you) call "we will get, without paying, soon!" that it has to be correct.

And all the years I work now in that business I learnt, that being suspicious against any rumour, being careful not to believe everything is the better was ... it surely is not the golden one, it includes making mistakes but at least these mistakes are more in a NOT reporting false claims since I refused a few true ones than posting repeatedly non-sense and then later having to accept that most of this was wrong.

At least you must accept, there are many out there, who are loud, who are cheering and boasting everything but barely know anything while those who really know, often keep quiet.

I approach non-official “news” with caution too of course, that’s simply how it should be. I was not convinced of JF-17 contract either until it was officially reported (not least because it was talked about so many times before). But I think it’s pretty clear that Azerbaijani military was not convinced of earlier blocks of JF-17 and instead waited for Block 3 with AESA radar and other improvements.

Azerbaijan also evaluated Mig-35, Su-30 and Su-35 in 2020 btw, there was negotiations for them and Azerbaijani pilots even trained on at least Mig-35. This is info from Azerbaijan MOD.

Azerbaijan Air Force representatives visit Russian enterprises manufacturing combat aircraft

As part of military-technical cooperation between the Republic of Azerbaijan and the Russian Federation, a group of specialists of the Air Force of Azerbaijan visited the enterprises of the military-industrial complex of Russia. The Azerbaijani delegation visited Russian military plants...

mod.gov.az

Perhaps the war in Ukraine hampered the negotiations or some other reason, I don’t know.

Returning to JF-17, I remembered this statement from Azerbaijani military attache in Pakistan from late 2021. This was I think a big indication that JF-17 Block 3 purchase was in the works.

“The purchase of JF-17 Thunder aircraft from Pakistan is a key item on our agenda," said Colonel Mehman Novruzov, Defence Attache of the Embassy of Azerbaijan to Pakistan.

He said that his country wants to buy state-of-the-art Block 3 JF-17 Thunder aircraft from Pakistan.”

Azerbaijan expresses interest to purchase JF-17 Thunder aircraft

dunyanews.tv

 

[MastanKhan]

You first PAF F-16 pilots trained with Israelis in the US
You bought spares and flight computers from Israel during embargo times.

Dont confuse trade with compromise - the Azeri relationship with Israel is isolated from what Pakistan has done - and if you do work in the same room there are boundaries and legal contracts that keep it that way.

The Israelis are professional enough in that environment to know that and so does Pakistan

Let’s stick to the equipment and sales should first look into where and how where you work is impacted by Israeli connections before talking about isolation or not selling to this or that or never having McDonalds again.

Hi,

The first batch of israeli pilots were extremely inferior to the first batch of Paf pilots---.

Paf pilots were the best foreign pilots of that time to have trained in the US---.

And one of the reasons was---the Language ENGLISH.

 

[Oscar]

Hi,

The first batch of israeli pilots were extremely inferior to the first batch of Paf pilots---.

Paf pilots were the best foreign pilots of that time to have trained in the US---.

And one of the reasons was---the Language ENGLISH.

I disagree - because one of their trainers qualified both as near equals AND that they also hung out together(in a learning context) compared to the NATO pilots.