Bangladesh Air Force

Afif said:
The fact is we have been dealing for almost 30 years with Mig29 and their crappy third class RD-33 engines, yet now we are choosing our next gen fighter with similar crappy engine, tells you how ফকির we are mentally and materially.
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How is the engine crappy? Pakistan has successfully operated this engine, and prefers it over the WS-13 that was developed by China for the jet. If Bangladesh has has issues with the engine, it suggests issues local training, local support, and overall maintenance practices in the BAF than the engine itself.
 
AbuShalehRumi said:
Im thinking, with 800 millions USD, we could have bought 4-5 SAMP/T NG air defense systems. But NOPE, our super duper air martials want fighter jets for airshow...
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An IADS system without an airforce to cover it, is just a target. An airforce that is not backed by an effective IADS is also a target. You need both of them to compliment each other with overlapping capabilities, to form a defensive shield.

Iran bet big on "just" having an IADS and it got hit hard by Israel where most of the IADS was taken apart and destroyed.

Bangladesh needs both the SAMP/T NG "and" a fighter jet ( beit Eurofighter, or J10CE or JF17CE ). If you can purchase both, then probably not worth getting either on its own and Bangladesh should re-orient its foreign policy with its neighbours on that basis.
 
Ali_Baba said:
How is the engine crappy? Pakistan has successfully operated this engine, and prefers it over the WS-13 that was developed by China for the jet. If Bangladesh has has issues with the engine, it suggests issues local training, local support, and overall maintenance practices in the BAF than the engine itself.
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Bruh, Pakistan's supposed 'succesful' experience doesn't make it technologically advanced. it's service life is around 2000 hours. Third class even by russian standard. European engines have a service life of 6000-8000 hours. EJ200 is also easier to maintained. I am not bashing JF17. But these are facts about RD-33/93.

We are looking for next generation warfighting platform that needs to be much more advanced than MIG29 in every aspect. Including propulsion.
 
Afif said:
Bruh, Pakistan's supposed 'succesful' experience doesn't make it technologically advanced. it's service life is around 2000 hours. Third class even by russian standard. European engines have a service life of 6000-8000 hours. EJ200 is also easier to maintained. I am not bashing JF17. But these are facts about RD-33/93.

We are looking for next generation warfighting platform that needs to be much more advanced than MIG29 in every aspect. Including propulsion.
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If you can afford EJ200 based platform like the Eurofighter, then sure go for it. PAF operates variants of F16s as its western options alongside J10CE, and JF17Cs. PAF has a ratio of combat capability, and combat mass in its doctrine which is reflected in the distribution of different categories of jets.

It all comes down to how much can you afford, and what level of 'combat mass' you need and the capability of the platforms for the overall makeup of an air force itself.
 
Afif said:
Bruh, Pakistan's supposed 'succesful' experience doesn't make it technologically advanced. it's service life is around 2000 hours. Third class even by russian standard. European engines have a service life of 6000-8000 hours. EJ200 is also easier to maintained. I am not bashing JF17. But these are facts about RD-33/93.
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In fairness, the RD33 had its first run 17 years before the EJ200. The RD33 had similar life cycle to the RB199 and M53. It was designed with a different philosophy in mind, however, depending on output, you've got up to 4000h life with a 1000h TBO
 
Ali_Baba said:
An IADS system without an airforce to cover it, is just a target. An airforce that is not backed by an effective IADS is also a target. You need both of them to compliment each other with overlapping capabilities, to form a defensive shield.

Iran bet big on "just" having an IADS and it got hit hard by Israel where most of the IADS was taken apart and destroyed.

Bangladesh needs both the SAMP/T NG "and" a fighter jet ( beit Eurofighter, or J10CE or JF17CE ). If you can purchase both, then probably not worth getting either on its own and Bangladesh should re-orient its foreign policy with its neighbours on that basis.
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Well, Iranian example is not valid. Because the best air defence they had available against Israeli F-35 was older model of S-300. Which obviously had no chance. Their so called indigenous stuff was cr*p.

A better analogy would be Ukraine. Yes it has an air force but that is outdated and mostly run strike missions is not capable of seriously challenging Russian AF. However Ukrainian still managed to keep Russian AF (relatively) at bay and impose cost with advanced western ground based AD systems.

Advanced AD systems are much more critical than fighter fleet when you are against a conventionally superior adversary (by a significant margin) and cannot expect to come close to their fleet size.

Yes, ultimately we prefer to have both fighters and IADS. But IADS must be prioritised before Typhoon, J10CE or JF17 B3.
 
Ali_Baba said:
An IADS system without an airforce to cover it, is just a target. An airforce that is not backed by an effective IADS is also a target. You need both of them to compliment each other with overlapping capabilities, to form a defensive shield.

Iran bet big on "just" having an IADS and it got hit hard by Israel where most of the IADS was taken apart and destroyed.

Bangladesh needs both the SAMP/T NG "and" a fighter jet ( beit Eurofighter, or J10CE or JF17CE ). If you can purchase both, then probably not worth getting either on its own and Bangladesh should re-orient its foreign policy with its neighbours on that basis.
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Your point is valid. But we have limited resources, so chronologically we should prioritize layered Air defense systems over fighter jets...
 
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@LeonBlack08 @AbuShalehRumi wft are they doing? BD simply cannot logistically manage three types of fighters. I guess if this purchase goes three, second type of aircraft would be either J10CE or Typhoon.

The fact is we have been dealing for almost 30 years with Mig29 and their crappy third class RD-33 engines, yet now we are choosing our next gen fighter with similar crappy engine, tells you how ফকির we are mentally and materially.

You cannot cheap out on essential warfighting capabilities. We need to get out of this mentality. It is imperative to spend a sizable amount (even if it is not easy) if you want something actually deterrent worthy. I am not sure JF17 changes anything significantly w.r.t to Myanmar. They already have the aircraft and can procure block 3 in the future.
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If this is true, then they are going for EFT and JFT combo. No J10. It is money at the end of the day.

EFT serves dual purpose in terms of its fighting capability and currying favor with Europe. So it is a non brainer. Plus we had been pursuing it for over a decade now.

JF17 is mainly because we won't have money left for J10 after EFT. At the same time, it keeps China happy and adds to the good relationship with Pakistan. While it is not a significant edge wrt Myanmar, but from strategic perspective and considering the economic situation, it is the best alternative we have in this price range.
 
Afif said:
Well, Iranian example is not valid. Because the best air defence they had available against Israeli F-35 was older model of S-300. Which obviously had no chance. Their so called indigenous stuff was cr*p.

A better analogy would be Ukraine. Yes it has an air force but that is outdated and mostly run strike missions is not capable of seriously challenging Russian AF. However Ukrainian still managed to keep Russian AF (relatively) at bay and impose cost with advanced western ground based AD systems.

Advanced AD systems are much more critical than fighter fleet when you are against a conventionally superior adversary (by a significant margin) and cannot expect to come close to their fleet size.

Yes, ultimately we prefer to have both fighters and IADS. But IADS must be prioritised before Typhoon, J10CE or JF17 B3.
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Ukraine has significantly more strategic depth than Bangladesh, smaller countries are basicallly cooked in terms of AD when facing larger opponents unless they are on the level of Israel
 
r4hmed said:
Ukraine has significantly more strategic depth than Bangladesh, smaller countries are basicallly cooked in terms of AD when facing larger opponents unless they are on the level of Israel
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UK would like to disagree with that consensus based on past records of their air force
 
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