Bangladesh Keen To Join Saudi-Pak-Turkey Defence Alliance, Says PM's Top Aide

[r3alist]

The Greeks in the EU have applied the weight of being in that bloc against Turkiye, despite being the aggressors. Just look at Cyprus as a prime example. The greeks invaded that island, attempted the illegal annexation of that island and the attempted extermination of Turkish Cypriots Muslims. Today the Greeks are constantly rewarded, the Turkish Cypriots are internationally isolated. Power wise, Greece is nothing compared to Turkiye, but the weight of EU gives her outsized influence in the region.

So when the greeks talk, they talk with the EU weight behind them. When Turkiye talks she talks alone.

It would be nice to know that one day when Turkiye talks, she has the weight of another 20 nations behind her. I honestly feel this is the primary reason why Turkiye wants this alliance to not only succeed but to grow. The military support is great, but military wise Turkiye is going to be doing just fine, its diplomatic and political weight she needs which can only be obtained with size.

This is why i also believe when the time is right Turkiye will pull Libya, Syria and Azerbaijan into the alliance. Most likely Somalia too. Turkiye in the long run will also aim to influence the Turkic states into it. Its basically collective power.

Yes exactly, the military focus is to reduce the immediate diplomatic and strategic importance.

However I do think there is an optimal number, otherwise dilutes or creates a counter group.


If you look geographically, turkey is the most Western situated significant Muslim state in the Eurasian land mass, facing off to Europe, Saudi in the middle and Pakistan the most significant to the east, containing modi's India.

This type of agreement will get more people seeing the world like that hence India terrified because it does not want civilizational competition nor does it have the confidence to speak that language if they actually think there is a response.

The Indian media know they have ended up here but can't quite summon the language

 

[Afif]

India will never allow Bangladesh to join such military pact.... main threat is from Turkiye who may station it's advanced NATO standard military in Bangladesh and it may be an entry point to USA as well in Bangladesh.... NATO presence on our Eastern flank is very dangerous.... they will keep us under pressure from east and also they will be able to spy on our strategic assets like our ballistic missile tests that happen in orissa and also they will keep an eye on our nuclear submarines.....

Lol, tough talks. USA is already in BD as much as they want. You couldn't do shit if USA wants to increase its presence. Just like it killed three of your sailors, then you tried to whine, Marco rubio bitch slapped you into reality didn't he?

No hell no.... we won't approve any such pact for Bangladesh or else....

Lol, no body is waiting for your approval.

 

[lightoftruth]

India will never allow Bangladesh to join such military pact.... main threat is from Turkiye who may station it's advanced NATO standard military in Bangladesh and it may be an entry point to USA as well in Bangladesh.... NATO presence on our Eastern flank is very dangerous.... they will keep us under pressure from east and also they will be able to spy on our strategic assets like our ballistic missile tests that happen in orissa and also they will keep an eye on our nuclear submarines.....

No hell no.... we won't approve any such pact for Bangladesh or else....

Not our decision , let bangladeshis decide if they want to commit suicide or not.

 

[mythbuster]

I personally think this so-called “Muslim NATO” is primarily posturing against Iran, rather than a serious collective-security arrangement directed at India. Both Turkey and Saudi Arabia have also conveyed to India secretly that it is not intended to be an anti-India alliance.

A genuine Muslim NATO involving Pakistan is difficult to make credible because of the unique nature of the India–Pakistan conflict: both countries are nuclear-armed, and India possesses surface to surface missile systems capable of reaching targets 5000km away. That makes any mutual-defence commitment involving Pakistan far more complicated than a conventional alliance.

NATO was originally built around the Soviet threat, and although the Soviet Union collapsed, NATO continued to exist. But even NATO's collective-defence framework has never meant automatic military intervention in every dispute involving a member. For example, India’s annexation of Goa did not trigger NATO collective defence.

So the real question is: what could a “Muslim NATO” realistically do against India that Pakistan could not already do through its own military? If its members are unwilling to risk direct confrontation with a nuclear-armed India, then a mutual-defence clause would have very limited practical value.

No posturing against Iran , Iran has been turned into a dodo bird....nothing more than a sidekick for a foreseeable future.

 

[RocketLaw]

Bangladesh is welcome to join with us!

 

[Nimble]

Lol, tough talks. USA is already in BD as much as they want. You couldn't do shit if USA wants to increase its presence. Just like it killed three of your sailors, then you tried to whine, Marco rubio bitch slapped you into reality didn't he?




Lol, no body is waiting for your approval.

Lol tough talks when you just last fortnight pleading to us for fuel so your power plant can function?

Do you Bangladesh people have a death wish that you keep irritating your biggest neighbor with 1.5 billion population, you almost depend on him for rice, raw materials, coal, diesel, power everything and just because you want to be a part of some fancy middle east pact hoping to get money and weapons sponsorship from Saudi Arabia???

This pact will be first answerd in the form of India, Israel and UAE pact on western flank but if Bangladesh still wants to commit suicide then I see another pact on the Eastern flank coming in the form of India, Nepal, Bhutan, Myanmar, Sri Lanka....

 

[Afif]

Lol tough talks when you just last fortnight pleading to us for fuel so your power plant can function?

Do you Bangladesh people have a death wish that you keep irritating your biggest neighbor with 1.5 billion population, you almost depend on him for rice, raw materials, coal, diesel, power

This is the problem with lots of indians if you buy 0.1% of your rice demand, 3% of fuel or 10% of electricity need, they act like your entire existence depends on them. Not only that, as if they are also doing charity with this, when in reality it is a buyer seller contract.

BD's total yearly fuel import is 6 millions tonnes.

Bangladesh to import 180,000 tonnes of diesel from India for Tk 15b

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So this 180000 tonnes from India this year is less than 3%.

Govt to buy 50,000 tonnes of rice each from India, Pakistan

The advisory committee on purchase took the decision

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50000 tonnes is like 0.1% of BD because it has 39/40 millions tonnes of domestic production each year. Ironically, BD was also buying same amount from Pakistan. But Pakistani members don't come around boasting that that they are feeding our entire nation.

You might want to change this pathetic mentality. This absolute insecurity (that that compels you to twist the truth to feel relevant) is what caused you to serve at the pleasure of Abrahamic religions for 1000 years.

Nepal, Bhutan, Myanmar, Sri Lanka....

Sounds real scary.

 

[Anatolia]

There has been mad levels of internalizing external skeptics.


The comparative advantages are not absolute, they really are not because Saudi Arabia do have a significant army but constrain themselves political and strategic reasons.



Pakistan is not so financially strapped when it comes to military matters.

If you had examined the state of NATO from day one it would look like a mess, who offered what?


Right now this is serving strategic compulsions abd a recognition that middle power alignment is necessary.


If you imagine that turkey had real problems with Greece and that you have let's say eight countries in this, do you not think that those countries at minimum would have to indirectly support Turkey in some way, as well as ensure they offer Greece no room to harm turkey, what about the diplomatic support and shaping global opinions? Yes Turkey can stand alone and it does not really need external help, but now they will at absolute minimum carry with it more indirect and back channel assistance

In theory you reduce the strategic possibilities of everyone's adversaries


Everyone's.

I would say that this is how middle power alignment works, no one power has projection like USA, but they have some limited influence and when you add it up....


People will have to reduce expectations on having a massive overarching command structure and interoperability because of the reason I just said, you have no USA type power.

Look, let’s be honest about what each country actually brings to this pact. Pakistan’s only real “big stick” is nuclear weapons. And let’s be serious for a moment .. are they going to use nukes on behalf of Türkiye? Against Greece? Against Israel? If Israel ever attacked us with nukes, is Pakistan really going to fire theirs in return and risk their entire country being wiped out? I’m going to bet no, they won’t. So Pakistan’s nuclear capability sounds impressive on paper, but in reality it means nothing for us Turks. It’s not a usable deterrent in our direction.

As for Saudi Arabia, what exactly does their money do for us in a war against Israel? We’re not exactly a poor country. We don’t need Saudi cash to defend ourselves. And when it comes to Pakistan vs India, what do we actually offer? In the last conflict we helped enough to annoy India to the point they boycotted our tourism .. but beyond that, what meaningful power projection do we have right now? Like you said, we’re not the USA. None of us in this pact have that level of reach.

That’s the real issue: every member of this alliance has weaknesses. I’m not saying we scrap the pact, but let’s not pretend it’s some flawless strategic masterpiece. The timing makes it look desperate .. Iran bombs Saudi Arabia, and suddenly everyone rushes into a pact. It feels more like a reaction to fear than a long-term, well‑planned structure.

I hope it develops into something useful, but right now it’s hard to ignore how shaky the foundations are.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Look, let’s be honest about what each country actually brings to this pact. Pakistan’s only real “big stick” is nuclear weapons. And let’s be serious for a moment .. are they going to use nukes on behalf of Türkiye? Against Greece? Against Israel? If Israel ever attacked us with nukes, is Pakistan really going to fire theirs in return and risk their entire country being wiped out? I’m going to bet no, they won’t. So Pakistan’s nuclear capability sounds impressive on paper, but in reality it means nothing for us Turks. It’s not a usable deterrent in our direction.

By that measure, then Türkiye nuclear code from USA means nothing if Russia decides to nuke Türkiye because why would the USA risk its homeland ? Maybe Türkiye should start to build its own nuclear deterrence?

As for Saudi Arabia, what exactly does their money do for us in a war against Israel? We’re not exactly a poor country. We don’t need Saudi cash to defend ourselves. And when it comes to Pakistan vs India, what do we actually offer? In the last conflict we helped enough to annoy India to the point they boycotted our tourism .. but beyond that, what meaningful power projection do we have right now? Like you said, we’re not the USA. None of us in this pact have that level of reach.

Maybe time to declare the Makkah pact null and void, and remove the pretense of it being anything? by that measure, the same be applied to Türkiye's NATO membership rights as well right ? Why would NATO come to Türkiye's rescue and risk their own country ? eg Russia.

That’s the real issue: every member of this alliance has weaknesses. I’m not saying we scrap the pact, but let’s not pretend it’s some flawless strategic masterpiece. The timing makes it look desperate .. Iran bombs Saudi Arabia, and suddenly everyone rushes into a pact. It feels more like a reaction to fear than a long-term, well‑planned structure.

I hope it develops into something useful, but right now it’s hard to ignore how shaky the foundations are.

Yes - all NATO members are full of strength and high capability, there are is no weakness in NATO, anywhere..

 

[retaxis]

The only suss part that worries me a little bit is the big support from usa. Almost feel like the usa is setting it up and might direct its focus on certain nations. Worst case scenario would be to create an alliance to fight forever wars in the middle east while israel keeps stealing land. That's just a pessimistic take.

But other than that, I think the alliance is productive and positive in many ways. If saudi can bring more Gcc countries into it, they can really transform the alliance with their massive sovereign funds alone. Russia and China are both supportive of this alliance and china especially will sell high tech military goods to this alliance and reduce their dependence on american weapons.

 

[Nimble]

Look, let’s be honest about what each country actually brings to this pact. Pakistan’s only real “big stick” is nuclear weapons. And let’s be serious for a moment .. are they going to use nukes on behalf of Türkiye? Against Greece? Against Israel? If Israel ever attacked us with nukes, is Pakistan really going to fire theirs in return and risk their entire country being wiped out? I’m going to bet no, they won’t. So Pakistan’s nuclear capability sounds impressive on paper, but in reality it means nothing for us Turks. It’s not a usable deterrent in our direction.

As for Saudi Arabia, what exactly does their money do for us in a war against Israel? We’re not exactly a poor country. We don’t need Saudi cash to defend ourselves. And when it comes to Pakistan vs India, what do we actually offer? In the last conflict we helped enough to annoy India to the point they boycotted our tourism .. but beyond that, what meaningful power projection do we have right now? Like you said, we’re not the USA. None of us in this pact have that level of reach.

That’s the real issue: every member of this alliance has weaknesses. I’m not saying we scrap the pact, but let’s not pretend it’s some flawless strategic masterpiece. The timing makes it look desperate .. Iran bombs Saudi Arabia, and suddenly everyone rushes into a pact. It feels more like a reaction to fear than a long-term, well‑planned structure.

I hope it develops into something useful, but right now it’s hard to ignore how shaky the foundations are.

Good post... atleast sane mind spoke..... this mecca pact is going to die as per tensions with Iran and America eases up,,.. it has no strategy, no clear thinking , objectives nothing.... mostly it's a desperate attempt by Saudis especially and this actually started after Isreal's attack on Qatar....

 

[r3alist]

That’s the real issue: every member of this alliance has weaknesses. I’m not saying we scrap the pact, but let’s not pretend it’s some flawless strategic masterpiece. The timing makes it look desperate .. Iran bombs Saudi Arabia, and suddenly everyone rushes into a pact. It feels more like a reaction to fear than a long-term, well‑planned structure.

I hope it develops into something useful, but right now it’s hard to ignore how shaky the foundations are.

I agree with you a lot here actually.

However given that we are where we are, then you have to accept a lot of work is to be done, and you have to be full throttle otherwise don't bother

The main detractors, India, let's say, really rely on infighting in the Muslim world, so they have already inserted corrosive narratives to demoralise

 

[peagle]

Look, let’s be honest about what each country actually brings to this pact. Pakistan’s only real “big stick” is nuclear weapons. And let’s be serious for a moment .. are they going to use nukes on behalf of Türkiye? Against Greece? Against Israel? If Israel ever attacked us with nukes, is Pakistan really going to fire theirs in return and risk their entire country being wiped out? I’m going to bet no, they won’t. So Pakistan’s nuclear capability sounds impressive on paper, but in reality it means nothing for us Turks. It’s not a usable deterrent in our direction.

As for Saudi Arabia, what exactly does their money do for us in a war against Israel? We’re not exactly a poor country. We don’t need Saudi cash to defend ourselves. And when it comes to Pakistan vs India, what do we actually offer? In the last conflict we helped enough to annoy India to the point they boycotted our tourism .. but beyond that, what meaningful power projection do we have right now? Like you said, we’re not the USA. None of us in this pact have that level of reach.

That’s the real issue: every member of this alliance has weaknesses. I’m not saying we scrap the pact, but let’s not pretend it’s some flawless strategic masterpiece. The timing makes it look desperate .. Iran bombs Saudi Arabia, and suddenly everyone rushes into a pact. It feels more like a reaction to fear than a long-term, well‑planned structure.

I hope it develops into something useful, but right now it’s hard to ignore how shaky the foundations are.

You're wrong.
Sorry, not in mood for a long answer.

 

[Master Chief]

That’s the real issue: every member of this alliance has weaknesses. I’m not saying we scrap the pact, but let’s not pretend it’s some flawless strategic masterpiece. The timing makes it look desperate .. Iran bombs Saudi Arabia, and suddenly everyone rushes into a pact. It feels more like a reaction to fear than a long-term, well‑planned structure.

Some good points in your post overall. I too watch and wait, perhaps more positively than some critics.

However, this is a concept that has existed in theory since King Faisal's era, the calm and calculating visionary that he was. It should be no surprise that he had to be "dealt with" by those most at risk from such an idea.

It is very probably not simply "reactionary" to recent events but rather, has been in the milieu for some time, waiting for a catalyst.

 

[K2RULEZ]

Not our decision , let bangladeshis decide if they want to commit suicide or not.

Complaining about a neighbor’s defence pact is just geopolitical code for we can't dictate and intimidate you anymore. The Mecca pact is sour grapes for India and Israel.