Bangladesh military officials express interest in JF-17 Thunder fighter jet

Given you have raised mod issues - I have a right of reply.

Trying to deny there is active bias in some mods - is not honest.

I have reported name calling and grotesque swearing by some posters repeatedly - nothing happens!

Same mods, magically have time to remove and edit stuff that hurts their ego.

On balance PDF is excellently moderated - hence why most of us are still here.
We constantly try to review our own performance; it will be difficult to describe the detailed interactions that take place, sometimes with brutal candour.

Above all, GHQ is not sufficiently used, if at all truly required; when it is not used, we get the impression that there is nothing serious happening.

Anyhow, my apologies for disturbing the thread and diverting attention from the topic.
 
Unsure why this is even a debate.

1) India does not need to invade BD
2) India does not want to invade BD
3) India can effectively Blockade all of BD within one hour, both from the air by simply stationing a S-400 unit nearby and at Sea with it's Eastern Command.
4) see how long BD economy survives with it's only access to the outside world being a donkey trail form the Myanamar Jungle....
If blockade was possible, they would have done it by now. Yes it's true BD is surrounded on three sides by India. But in the scenario of a blockade, BD would bomb the seven sisters and create a passage to China to the North. Then we would only have the Western and Northern borders with India. And the seven sisters will be annexed in the near future. That's why having tactical weapons such as ballistic missiles are important, bomb the shit out of the occupiers.

But I agree, BD needs 8-12 submarines to protect its sea mass.
 
We constantly try to review our own performance; it will be difficult to describe the detailed interactions that take place, sometimes with brutal candour.

Above all, GHQ is not sufficiently used, if at all truly required; when it is not used, we get the impression that there is nothing serious happening.

Anyhow, my apologies for disturbing the thread and diverting attention from the topic.

He has a point, you have gone off topic on thread and when I called you out I received a flippant reply
 
Ah yes, and how could I forget the formidable fleet of 2 ming class subs. The IN would not count fighting them as a war, but as a training exercise.

Of course, but that doesn't change the fact with Pakistan.
 
You are comparing a nuclear powered Pakistan with land borders with Afghanistan and Iran to Bangladesh that is almost completly surrounded by India?

Really? Is this the level of debate this forum is reduced to?

No, I am not comparing.
 
Of course, but that doesn't change the fact with Pakistan.
Indian attempts to impose a Naval blockade would literally lead to many new arificial reefs in the region. I dont think you understand the current naval strategy. The PN will have a fleet of 13 SSK's, with 11 of them being modern and AIP equipped. Then a follow up in the form of either STM500 or S800, with then the winner of that competition recieving contracts to jointly design a new SSK fleet with NRDI. The PN has always had the ambition to be n 18 SSK Navy. Good luck blockading with ssk's lurking below. Not to mention the dozens of coastal batteries of ASHM's.
 
Moreover, India is not as united as outsiders think. They just stifle opinion so outsiders think everything is fine and rosy. Sikhs want their own country and their separatist leaders are being assassinated left and right. Seven Sisters want their own country due to unnecessary military force against them. Muslims want their own country. So the possibility of India breaking up in the near future is quite real. No one wants to deal with extremist ideologies that is the current government.
 
Moreover, India is not as united as outsiders think. They just stifle opinion so outsiders think everything is fine and rosy. Sikhs want their own country and their separatist leaders are being assassinated left and right. Seven Sisters want their own country due to unnecessary military force against them. Muslims want their own country. So the possibility of India breaking up in the near future is quite real. No one wants to deal with extremist ideologies that is the current government.
If you think India will break up just because of a few loud and outspoken voices, you could not be more wrong. Not even the most ethnonationalist of people will abandon stability and prosperity. You have Palestinians working in Israel, you have Iraqis, Afghans, Iranians and Chinese working all through the west. Humans are driven by greed, so long as there is prosperity and stability, nothing else matters. India is not going to go anywhere.
 
It will happen if a big power thinks its necessary. Look at Myanmar, Syria and Ukraine. If USA or China thinks a divided India is strategically better, it will happen. Not the core, just a small side part is enough.

We don't have to look further. India, Pakistan, Bangladesh used to be the same country until the British thought lets fragment it.
 
It will happen if a big power thinks its necessary. Look at Myanmar, Syria and Ukraine. If USA or China thinks a divided India is strategically better, it will happen. Not the core, just a small side part is enough.

We don't have to look further. India, Pakistan, Bangladesh used to be the same country until the British thought lets fragment it.

Pakistan, Bangladesh and “India” were never one country. Not even at the height of Mughal rule.

Not even as cohesive as the Holy Roman Empire!
 
Talking of Burmese invasions - while it is a much larger country

The border it with Bangladesh isn’t that large -

The Myanmar-Bangladesh border is a tough place for any military operation. The north has dense forests and mountains, which make moving troops and supplies a nightmare, while the south, with the Naf River, might seem easier but brings its own issues like flooding and tricky terrain. If Myanmar wanted to push into Bangladesh, they’d need to quickly take key border towns like Maungdaw to secure supply lines and keep momentum.

Myanmar’s military, the Tatmadaw, knows how to fight in jungles, but they’re working with outdated gear and often struggle with logistics in rough terrain. Bangladesh, on the other hand, has a more modern military, better training, and a tighter command structure. They’re used to handling both disaster responses and international missions, which means they’re pretty flexible and ready for both defensive and offensive moves.

For Myanmar, the biggest challenge would be keeping their supply lines running while avoiding disruption from groups like the Arakan Army, which already controls parts of the border. Bangladesh’s stability and better-organized forces give them an edge, especially since they could use air and naval power to hit Myanmar where it hurts most—its weak logistics.

From an aerial perspective - the Myanmar air force may pull of higher sortie rates initially and cause damage - the eventual defense posture, small area and “chockpoint” situation would mean Bangladesh simply absorbs initial losses to then pretty much maintaining air superiority.

All in all, Myanmar might start something, but their chances of pulling off a full invasion are slim. The geography, their military’s limitations, and the likelihood of international backlash mean Bangladesh would likely hold its ground and even gain global support in the process.

Which brings in the part not only is this casual assertion illogical and comical - but more importantly ignores a variety of factors such as India’s involvement and Chinese balance and so on and so forth.

So, while what happens to Pakistan vs India is utterly irrelevant here - the needs of BAF vs Myanmar may actually be better answered by higher performance aircraft such as EF or Gripen - at the disadvantage that they losses of those jets will be felt/impact a lot more by BAF then lets say Myanmar losing JF-17s or the rest of its more antiquated fleet.

@Afif
 
Talking of Burmese invasions - while it is a much larger country

The border it with Bangladesh isn’t that large -

The Myanmar-Bangladesh border is a tough place for any military operation. The north has dense forests and mountains, which make moving troops and supplies a nightmare, while the south, with the Naf River, might seem easier but brings its own issues like flooding and tricky terrain. If Myanmar wanted to push into Bangladesh, they’d need to quickly take key border towns like Maungdaw to secure supply lines and keep momentum.

Myanmar’s military, the Tatmadaw, knows how to fight in jungles, but they’re working with outdated gear and often struggle with logistics in rough terrain. Bangladesh, on the other hand, has a more modern military, better training, and a tighter command structure. They’re used to handling both disaster responses and international missions, which means they’re pretty flexible and ready for both defensive and offensive moves.

For Myanmar, the biggest challenge would be keeping their supply lines running while avoiding disruption from groups like the Arakan Army, which already controls parts of the border. Bangladesh’s stability and better-organized forces give them an edge, especially since they could use air and naval power to hit Myanmar where it hurts most—its weak logistics.

From an aerial perspective - the Myanmar air force may pull of higher sortie rates initially and cause damage - the eventual defense posture, small area and “chockpoint” situation would mean Bangladesh simply absorbs initial losses to then pretty much maintaining air superiority.

All in all, Myanmar might start something, but their chances of pulling off a full invasion are slim. The geography, their military’s limitations, and the likelihood of international backlash mean Bangladesh would likely hold its ground and even gain global support in the process.

Which brings in the part not only is this casual assertion illogical and comical - but more importantly ignores a variety of factors such as India’s involvement and Chinese balance and so on and so forth.

So, while what happens to Pakistan vs India is utterly irrelevant here - the needs of BAF vs Myanmar may actually be better answered by higher performance aircraft such as EF or Gripen - at the disadvantage that they losses of those jets will be felt/impact a lot more by BAF then lets say Myanmar losing JF-17s or the rest of its more antiquated fleet.

@Afif
Burma has tried to put up a fight against BD many a time before....

An example: During the rule of President Zia-ur Rahman, an ex-Pak infantry (East Bengal regiment) & intelligence (NATO trained) officer with a Sitara-i-Jurat ('65 War) and a Bir Uttam ('71 War), an intelligence report reached him regarding an imminent attack by the Burmese forces at the borders for he pushed back the Rohingyas. He immediately issued a standing order to the units facing Burma. In the case of any Burmese instigation he asked them to attack deep into Burma. And, to call him back when the causalities rate reaches at 70% level. Not to mention it was duly relayed by the BD intelligence to their Burmese counterpart. The Burmese went back to their usual smoking and drinking bouts wearing loosely held lungis....

The BD military, due to the hiccups and setbacks suffered after the assassination of Zia-ur Rahman (a RAW act) and due to the "Begums", wants to gain their that mojo back, albeit with the help from the Pak military once again.....
 
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Air Chief Marshal Zaheer Ahmad reiterated Pakistan’s commitment to deepening its military partnership with Bangladesh
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A high-level defence delegation from Bangladesh visited Pakistan on Wednesday and met with Pakistan Air Force (PAF) Chief, Air Chief Marshal Zaheer Ahmad Babar Sidhu.

The delegation, led by Lieutenant General SM Qamarul Hassan, Principal Staff Officer, Armed Forces Division, Bangladesh, expressed a keen interest in Pakistan’s advanced military equipment, particularly the JF-17 Thunder fighter jets.

According to the Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR), the meeting took place at the Air Headquarters in Islamabad, where both sides discussed ways to strengthen military ties and enhance cooperation between their air forces.

Air Chief Marshal Zaheer Ahmad reiterated Pakistan’s commitment to deepening its military partnership with Bangladesh, with a focus on joint training programs and expanding collaborative opportunities.

Lieutenant General Hassan praised the Pakistan Air Force’s modern initiatives, its state-of-the-art technology, and locally developed technical frameworks. He specifically showed interest in the production of the JF-17 Thunder aircraft, along with other modern military hardware.

The meeting underscored the commitment of both nations to enhance military cooperation and strengthen bilateral relations.
Still trolling us

Doubt they are actually interested

Though logically they only have two options jf17 and j10s

Jf17 may be cheaper fits perfectly with geography and has ample of training and support option available from Pakistan but...nah, they are still stuck in 1971, 1940s and 1800s etc
 

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