Bangladesh Socio-Political Crisis 2024 and onwards

[Oscar]

What an opening for a 'What-about' response!

That famous Indian spy, Brigadier Z. A. Khan, divulged all the details in his book, The Way It Was.

Acdre Sajjad Haider pointed to a PAF officer called Khondekar back in the early 60s with ties in Calcutta and provided detailed information on deployment and plans.

Now oddly, here is my question - why were no flags raised when Johnny Khondekar was taking monthly trips to Calcutta?

 

[BananaRepublic]

True, that.
Without getting into squabble mode, should we feel inferior

I cannot tell you how you should feel!

My strength is that I am aware of my weaknesses and regularly solicit feedback - which I use to tailor improvement plans.

Are you able to do that?

Do you think it is normal to cheer mob justice?

Do you think you should make decisions based on facts instead of emotion?

Should you support a monster just because they are on your side?

Etc etc

 

[Joe Shearer]

Acdre Sajjad Haider pointed to a PAF officer called Khondekar back in the early 60s with ties in Calcutta and provided detailed information on deployment and plans.

Now oddly, here is my question - why were no flags raised when Johnny Khondekar was taking monthly trips to Calcutta?

Because that's a Muslim Bengali surname, and nobody would have batted an eyelid. Suhrawardy was Prime Minister of your country in 56-57, and thought nothing of stopping off at Calcutta on his way to Dhaka, to lunch at Firpo's.

Things started going sideways only after 65. My hero, the school captain, a grandson of Chhatri, had an elder sister who married into a Pakistani family, and lived on both sides of the border until relations started cooling - nothing like now, but still a shock to people who expected to be comfortable on both sides.

It was one-sided. The first time my father made it back to Dhaka, our home town, was in 71, in the company of his famous name-sake, an ICS officer, on official business and legally so.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Are you able to do that?

Quite obviously. In a professional management position, it was mandatory.

Do you think it is normal to cheer mob justice?

No. Doesn't happen as a norm. Now work this out for yourself. How many people does it take to form 1% of 1.4 billion? That's American style billion - 1,000 million, or a total of 1,400,000,000,000.

Do you think you should make decisions based on facts instead of emotion?

Governments, public institutions, invariably should. Individuals, most of the time, but certainly not always. Why did my cousin write a history of East Bengal Football Club, that he, and so many of us, supported throughout his life,
rather than the famous, the illustrious Mohun Bagan?

Should you support a monster just because they are on your side?

January 7, 2024.

Hmm, OK, you get an exceptional one-time pass. Don't ask me this question again

 

[Oscar]

Because that's a Muslim Bengali surname, and nobody would have batted an eyelid. Suhrawardy was Prime Minister of your country in 56-57, and thought nothing of stopping off at Calcutta on his way to Dhaka, to lunch at Firpo's.

Things started going sideways only after 65. My hero, the school captain, a grandson of Chhatri, had an elder sister who married into a Pakistani family, and lived on both sides of the border until relations started cooling - nothing like now, but still a shock to people who expected to be comfortable on both sides.

It was one-sided. The first time my father made it back to Dhaka, our home town, was in 71, in the company of his famous name-sake, an ICS officer, on official business and legally so.

Because the hostility in Kashmir in Suharwardy’s mind did not translate to an issue in daily minutia. He was focused on how to create economic movement for all in EP and WP and that was intolerable to the brown sahibs.

The same way, a family visit in Lucknow was not a far fetched idea for some members of my family because the crossing wasn’t an issue until 65.

PAF aircraft would regularly land at Dum Dum or other places enroute to Dhaka or Chittagong.

And it all stems back to the original and unfortunately lost idealism of Jinnah’s Canada to a USA with the two nations.
Regardless, irrelevant to today in every aspect to the three countries.

As one of our relations in India said it best “Jinnah Muqadmah lartay reh gaye - ye nahin socha ke meray baad kya hoga”

At the end, this current situation in BD begs the question of success when so many fault lines are being opened simultaneously.

Considering the amount of embedding the AL reportedly has done(oddly similar to PML(N) in Pakistan and what BJP is attempting) the new interim government will find itself hard pressed to stabilize things as Hasinas assets try to make it impossible to run BD without her.

 

[Joe Shearer]

As one of our relations in India said it best “Jinnah Muqadmah lartay reh gaye - ye nahin socha ke meray baad kya hoga”

Incredible.

After travelling through a Jaswant Singh-like conclusion (almost a year before he, unsuspected by us, published) at PakTeaHouse, and a slow period of disillusionment, this sentence sums up precisely and succinctly my present position. That is without entering into the various mis-steps by the Congress, the perfidiousness of the British, and the romantic and insubstantial position of the Bengalis and their totally impossible dream of the third Dominion.

 

[Afif]

Considering the amount of embedding the AL reportedly has done(oddly similar to PML(N) in Pakistan and what BJP is attempting) the new interim government will find itself hard pressed to stabilize things as Hasinas assets try to make it impossible to run BD without her.

I don't think you guys have fully realized what actually happened in BD. It is not just another change of regime. Just because there wasn't large scale bloodshed, it shouldn't mislead you. It's a full fledged revolution. Did you see the other day, how Hassina loyalist supreme court judges including the chief justice were forced to resign due to students surrounding the supreme court? Bangladesh Bank government and five other deputy governors?

Hassina does not have many true loyalists in that sense. Change of loyalty happens very fast in BD. People who were actually hardcore BAL all fled due to the fear of retribution. And others are resigning in masses. Whoever left are too incompetent to mount a coordinated resistance.

 

[Sugarcane]

I couldn't harm one hair on his head, even if he deserves it somehow for some mischief.

@Sugarcane has been one of the very few in the forum that has so precisely, persistently and deeply spoiled me with tickling my funny bone..... with his flair for avant-garde maverick attitude to all manner of things (maybe his country's politics most of all).....while staying very open minded at same time.

There is probably a reason he sticks with Salvador Dali as his DP and goes with flag of Congo now for maybe some deeply amusing/absurd reason known to him.

He is like a memorable rag piece with "just the right amount" of syncopation one could say, no matter if he currently absconding from the show reel right now.... I am partial to the pineapple, magnetic and others by Joplin.....but the "sugar cane" one is very good too, a brighter, sweeter mirror to the maple leaf (and I guess its syrup heh).

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My head is spinning. Anyway, I really don't want that Mods living in Pakistan find bricks hanging with their balls because of my posts which they couldn't delete. Let's not derail the topic my sweet Bangladeshi brothers

 

[Nilgiri]

Those of us brought up in the west are ethnically south Asians but culturally not.

Our base instincts have been shaped by western education, civil society and norms.

You are a product of your environment whether you like it or not!

@UKBengali

Was the poster being uncivilised towards you personally? You can call out what is wrong with some society without making an individual here as some associate of it, their presence merely by their circumstances unknown to you. i.e you dont know what they agree with or disagree with regd their society to condemn them and praise your own.

Understand that I could rip into a lot of things (pretty viciously) about Western society, the airs it puts on with the privileges it has had and has...and yet allows all kind of nasty things swirl and percolate into its society, politics and wars despite that.

It would be off topic and it would always be unreasonable to single out a western individual to tar them with it anyway personally. Honour system on the individual past society matters a lot in the end, its how societies ultimately change too.

 

[Joe Shearer]

bricks hanging with their balls

OUCH!

 

[r4hmed]

Waiting for the inevitable decision to award ExxonMobile the contract to explore the gas-rich blocks in the Bengal Delta in September

 

[BananaRepublic]

Was the poster being uncivilised towards you personally? You can call out what is wrong with some society without making an individual here as some associate of it, their presence merely by their circumstances unknown to you. i.e you dont know what they agree with or disagree with regd their society to condemn them and praise your own.

Understand that I could rip into a lot of things (pretty viciously) about Western society, the airs it puts on with the privileges it has had and has...and yet allows all kind of nasty things swirl and percolate into its society, politics and wars despite that.

It would be off topic and it would always be unreasonable to single out a western individual to tar them with it anyway personally. Honour system on the individual past society matters a lot in the end, its how societies ultimately change too.

He was being a typical south Asian!

Personalised it!

We are not programmed to handle personalised attacks.

And we also absolutely abhor personality cults.

Again, education system encourages critical analysis of even national heroes.

I once wrote a damning piece on Churchill.

My Churchill worshipping teacher loved it. Her retort was, “I have read worse”. But not bad from a 14 year old!

A nation that needs blasphemy laws - requires a lot of growing up!

 

[ghazi52]

Bangladesh court opens murder case against ex-premier Sheikh Hasina​

AFP
August 13, 2024

Students chant slogans as they protest to demand accountability and trial against Bangladesh’s ousted Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina, near Dhaka University in the capital on August 12, 2024 — AFP

A court in Bangladesh opened Tuesday a murder investigation into ousted ex-premier Sheikh Hasina and six top figures in her administration over the police killing of a man during civil unrest last month.

Hasina, 76, fled by helicopter a week ago to neighbouring India as protesters flooded Dhaka’s streets in a dramatic end to her iron-fisted tenure.

“A case has been filed against Sheikh Hasina and six more,” said Mamun Mia, a lawyer who brought the case on behalf of a private citizen.

He added that the Dhaka Metropolitan Court had ordered police to accept “the murder case against the accused persons”, the first step in a criminal investigation under Bangladeshi law.

Mia’s filing with the court also named Hasina’s former home minister Asaduzzaman Khan and Obaidul Quader, the general secretary of Hasina’s Awami League party.

In addition it named four top police officers appointed by Hasina’s government who have since vacated their posts, including former police inspector general Chowdhury Abdullah Al-Mamun.

It also named detective branch chief Harun-or-Rashid, and senior Dhaka Metropolitan Police officers Habibur Rahman and Biplob Kumar Sarker.

 

[LeonBlack08]

BAL senior leader and Billionaire Salman F Rahman and former BAL Law minister Anisul Haque caught by coast guard while trying to escape from Bangladesh.

Salman F Rahman through his stock market manipulation and corruption destroyed DSEX and amassed billions of dollars in the last 2 decades. He was known for having long white beard and maintaining an appearances of a pious man. But as we all knew to be true, it was all part of his deception. The picture on the right is of him clean shaved.

 

[Afif]

There is emotional intelligence and intellectual intelligence.

Intellectual intelligence can be developed regardless of democracy and rule of law.

But only free societies can develop emotional intelligence.

Empathy is a sign of emotional intelligence.

It unlocks critical thinking and productivity.

It means you can work 36.5 hours a week and live a lavish life. Oh! And enjoy 35 days of paid leave.

So much for having emotional intelligence that you couldn't see the pun.

And yeah, stop boasting. Or keep it up.