Boeing and Airbus planes were constructed with 'fake' Chinese titanium that could cause their jets to break apart in mid-air, FAA fears

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Airliners manufactured by Boeing and Airbus have components made from titanium that was sold with fake documentation.

The Federal Aviation Administration revealed the problem after Boeing reported it to the agency when it was notified by parts supplier Spirit AeroSystems.

Spirit is the same company that made the door on the 737 Max plane that suffered a door blowout on January 5 and began Boeing's recent spate of problems.

Faked documentation certifying the authenticity of the titanium could mean it was not up to standard or tested to withstand the rigors of air travel.

The FAA said it was 'investigating the scope and impact of the issue' and how it could affect the safety of the unknown number of planes using the parts.

'Boeing reported a voluntary disclosure to the FAA regarding procurement of material through a distributor who may have falsified or provided incorrect records,' it said.

'Boeing issued a bulletin outlining ways suppliers should remain alert to the potential of falsified records.'

The problem was discovered after a parts supplier found small holes in the titanium from corrosion.

Spirit, which makes fuselages for Boeing and wings for Airbus, was testing the metal to determine if it was up to standard and structurally sound enough.

'This is about documents that have been falsified, forged and counterfeited,' it said.

'Once we realized the counterfeit titanium made its way into the supply chain, we immediately contained all suspected parts to determine the scope of the issues.'

Spirit was also trying to trace the source of the material to find out more about it and how it got into the supply chain unnoticed.

The documentation is knows as a certificate of conformity and details where the titanium came from, how it was made, and its quality.

The suspect parts were used in planes made in 2019 to 2023 including the Boeing 737 Max and 787 Dreamliner and the Airbus A220.

Spirit said it was used in the 787's passenger entry door, cargo doors, and a component that connects the engines to the plane's airframe, and a heat shield in the 737 Max and A220 that protects the connecting component.

Boeing and Airbus declined to say how many planes were flying with parts made from the undocumented titanium.

They insisted planes containing the parts were safe to fly, but Boeing said it was removing affected parts from planes that haven't yet been delivered to airlines.

'This industrywide issue affects some shipments of titanium received by a limited set of suppliers, and tests performed to date have indicated that the correct titanium alloy was used,' Boeing said

'To ensure compliance, we are removing any affected parts on airplanes prior to delivery. Our analysis shows the in-service fleet can continue to fly safely.'

Airbus similarly said: 'Numerous tests have been performed on parts coming from the same source of supply.

'The safety and quality of our aircraft are our most important priorities, and we are working in close collaboration with our supplier.'

Boeing said tests indicated the parts were made from the correct titanium alloy, which raised questions about why the documentation was falsified.

Spirit said it was so far unable to determine if the metal was treated enough to meet aviation standards, adding it passed some tests but failed others.

Spirit said it was used in the 787's passenger entry door, cargo doors, and a component that connects the engines to the plane's airframe, and a heat shield in the 737 Max and A220 that protects the connecting component.

Boeing and Airbus declined to say how many planes were flying with parts made from the undocumented titanium.

They insisted planes containing the parts were safe to fly, but Boeing said it was removing affected parts from planes that haven't yet been delivered to airlines.

'This industrywide issue affects some shipments of titanium received by a limited set of suppliers, and tests performed to date have indicated that the correct titanium alloy was used,' Boeing said

'To ensure compliance, we are removing any affected parts on airplanes prior to delivery. Our analysis shows the in-service fleet can continue to fly safely.'

Airbus similarly said: 'Numerous tests have been performed on parts coming from the same source of supply.

'The safety and quality of our aircraft are our most important priorities, and we are working in close collaboration with our supplier.'

Boeing said tests indicated the parts were made from the correct titanium alloy, which raised questions about why the documentation was falsified.

Spirit said it was so far unable to determine if the metal was treated enough to meet aviation standards, adding it passed some tests but failed others.

The FAA told Boeing to present its turnaround plan after an Alaska Airlines jet had a door blowout mid-flight at 16,000 feet on January 5.

Nobody was hurt during the midair incident. Accident investigators determined that bolts that helped secure the panel to the frame of the Boeing 737 Max 9 were missing before the piece blew off.

The mishap has further battered Boeing's reputation and led to multiple civil and criminal investigations.

A new inquiry was opened by the regulator earlier this month following Boeing's astonishing admission staff may have skipped some inspections of its 787 Dreamliner planes.

The FAA added that it was investigating 'whether Boeing completed the inspections and whether company employees may have falsified aircraft records'.

Boeing halted deliveries of the 787 widebody jet for more than a year until August 2022 as the FAA investigated quality problems and manufacturing flaws.

In 2021, Boeing said the planes had shims that were not the proper size and some aircraft had areas that did not meet skin-flatness specifications. A shim is a thin piece of material used to fill tiny gaps in a manufactured product.

The 737 Max, a narrow-body jet, has also had its fair share of close calls in the air.

A Southwest Airlines Boeing 737 was forced to make an emergency landing at Denver International Airport after part of the engine blew off in early April.

Boeing could also face criminal prosecution over two fatal 737 Max crashes after Boeing was accused of violating a settlement which allowed them to avoid earlier charges.
 

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Clearly Boeing officials knew about this and signed it off. Hate off to the whistleblower. Long jail sentence to the retards that didn’t check and signed it off….
 

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Airliners manufactured by Boeing and Airbus have components made from titanium that was sold with fake documentation.

The Federal Aviation Administration revealed the problem after Boeing reported it to the agency when it was notified by parts supplier Spirit AeroSystems.

Spirit is the same company that made the door on the 737 Max plane that suffered a door blowout on January 5 and began Boeing's recent spate of problems.

Faked documentation certifying the authenticity of the titanium could mean it was not up to standard or tested to withstand the rigors of air travel.

The FAA said it was 'investigating the scope and impact of the issue' and how it could affect the safety of the unknown number of planes using the parts.

'Boeing reported a voluntary disclosure to the FAA regarding procurement of material through a distributor who may have falsified or provided incorrect records,' it said.

'Boeing issued a bulletin outlining ways suppliers should remain alert to the potential of falsified records.'

The problem was discovered after a parts supplier found small holes in the titanium from corrosion.

Spirit, which makes fuselages for Boeing and wings for Airbus, was testing the metal to determine if it was up to standard and structurally sound enough.

'This is about documents that have been falsified, forged and counterfeited,' it said.

'Once we realized the counterfeit titanium made its way into the supply chain, we immediately contained all suspected parts to determine the scope of the issues.'

Spirit was also trying to trace the source of the material to find out more about it and how it got into the supply chain unnoticed.

The documentation is knows as a certificate of conformity and details where the titanium came from, how it was made, and its quality.

The suspect parts were used in planes made in 2019 to 2023 including the Boeing 737 Max and 787 Dreamliner and the Airbus A220.

Spirit said it was used in the 787's passenger entry door, cargo doors, and a component that connects the engines to the plane's airframe, and a heat shield in the 737 Max and A220 that protects the connecting component.

Boeing and Airbus declined to say how many planes were flying with parts made from the undocumented titanium.

They insisted planes containing the parts were safe to fly, but Boeing said it was removing affected parts from planes that haven't yet been delivered to airlines.

'This industrywide issue affects some shipments of titanium received by a limited set of suppliers, and tests performed to date have indicated that the correct titanium alloy was used,' Boeing said

'To ensure compliance, we are removing any affected parts on airplanes prior to delivery. Our analysis shows the in-service fleet can continue to fly safely.'

Airbus similarly said: 'Numerous tests have been performed on parts coming from the same source of supply.

'The safety and quality of our aircraft are our most important priorities, and we are working in close collaboration with our supplier.'

Boeing said tests indicated the parts were made from the correct titanium alloy, which raised questions about why the documentation was falsified.

Spirit said it was so far unable to determine if the metal was treated enough to meet aviation standards, adding it passed some tests but failed others.

Spirit said it was used in the 787's passenger entry door, cargo doors, and a component that connects the engines to the plane's airframe, and a heat shield in the 737 Max and A220 that protects the connecting component.

Boeing and Airbus declined to say how many planes were flying with parts made from the undocumented titanium.

They insisted planes containing the parts were safe to fly, but Boeing said it was removing affected parts from planes that haven't yet been delivered to airlines.

'This industrywide issue affects some shipments of titanium received by a limited set of suppliers, and tests performed to date have indicated that the correct titanium alloy was used,' Boeing said

'To ensure compliance, we are removing any affected parts on airplanes prior to delivery. Our analysis shows the in-service fleet can continue to fly safely.'

Airbus similarly said: 'Numerous tests have been performed on parts coming from the same source of supply.

'The safety and quality of our aircraft are our most important priorities, and we are working in close collaboration with our supplier.'

Boeing said tests indicated the parts were made from the correct titanium alloy, which raised questions about why the documentation was falsified.

Spirit said it was so far unable to determine if the metal was treated enough to meet aviation standards, adding it passed some tests but failed others.

The FAA told Boeing to present its turnaround plan after an Alaska Airlines jet had a door blowout mid-flight at 16,000 feet on January 5.

Nobody was hurt during the midair incident. Accident investigators determined that bolts that helped secure the panel to the frame of the Boeing 737 Max 9 were missing before the piece blew off.

The mishap has further battered Boeing's reputation and led to multiple civil and criminal investigations.

A new inquiry was opened by the regulator earlier this month following Boeing's astonishing admission staff may have skipped some inspections of its 787 Dreamliner planes.

The FAA added that it was investigating 'whether Boeing completed the inspections and whether company employees may have falsified aircraft records'.

Boeing halted deliveries of the 787 widebody jet for more than a year until August 2022 as the FAA investigated quality problems and manufacturing flaws.

In 2021, Boeing said the planes had shims that were not the proper size and some aircraft had areas that did not meet skin-flatness specifications. A shim is a thin piece of material used to fill tiny gaps in a manufactured product.

The 737 Max, a narrow-body jet, has also had its fair share of close calls in the air.

A Southwest Airlines Boeing 737 was forced to make an emergency landing at Denver International Airport after part of the engine blew off in early April.

Boeing could also face criminal prosecution over two fatal 737 Max crashes after Boeing was accused of violating a settlement which allowed them to avoid earlier charges.

Fake certificate is fine but does Boeing not have any quality inspection at the place?

Here we are talking about billions dollars business and high risk of people lives.

They can't just put blame on Chinese parts and close the matter.. just BS
 

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Fake certificate is fine but does Boeing not have any quality inspection at the place?

Here we are talking about billions dollars business and high risk of people lives.

They can't just put blame on Chinese parts and close the matter.. just BS
It's not just Boeing, this affected both Boeing and Airbus.

And it's really not easy at all to test those part, according to my brother (who is an aircraft engineer), the only way to test it is to do a destructive testing on them, and obviously you are not going to destroy all the parts. With most testing being done independently (Which is what they are accusing these certifying authorities are doing) by sampling, Boeing and Airbus either can find that out when they are doing an audit or when they were doing random inventory testing. Which in this case, the former is the reason why this was uncovered.
 

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See why your speed limited. Quality post bro.
I think most people gets it. Anyway USA did stupidly by putting all manufacturing eggs on Chinese basket knowing all the fallout. Well people who don’t get it gets this outcome. (Wink wink your nation)

Regarding your snide comment well I take it as badge of honor. My speed limit are because some cannot handle the …. else we all know PDF is full of spammers from friendly nation.
 

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It's not just Boeing, this affected both Boeing and Airbus.

And it's really not easy at all to test those part, according to my brother (who is an aircraft engineer), the only way to test it is to do a destructive testing on them, and obviously you are not going to destroy all the parts. With most testing being done independently (Which is what they are accusing these certifying authorities are doing) by sampling, Boeing and Airbus either can find that out when they are doing an audit or when they were doing random inventory testing. Which in this case, the former is the reason why this was uncovered.
Agreed 👍

However, because we are discussing about billion-dollar industry with a high stakes game for human lives, shouldn't the company perform a random quality check after receiving new parts?

If they adhere to these protocols, it also implies that it is excessively dangerous for those who rely on these organizations in the event that certificate authorities make a mistake.

This is a case of a forged certificate! I find it incomprehensible that these kinds of businesses lack adequate procedures for verifying the certificate. It would be quite disappointing if they couldn't.

Just blaming on China - really not acceptable.
 
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Correct material but the certificate is false.

The paper is the problem, that's why accident happened.

Since there's China name on it, so it will be published immediately.

But if it's working fine, and there's China name on it, nothing will be published.

Unless there's Germany or USA name on it.
 

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Correct material but the certificate is false.

The paper is the problem, that's why accident happened.

Since there's China name on it, so it will be published immediately.

But if it's working fine, and there's China name on it, nothing will be published.

Unless there's Germany or USA name on it.
Faked documentation certifying the authenticity of the titanium could mean it was not up to standard or tested to withstand the rigors of air travel.

Chinese supplier should face severe penalties and a permanent ban from supplying parts because they are at fault in this case. (quality inspection that's another case)
 
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And it's really not easy at all to test those part,
Import a critical part from a new and unknown supplier from a foreign country but can't test it for full compliance? I would say the aircraft makers should go and make fast food instead of aircraft. If you can't test it, it is not compliant; it is as simple as that.
 

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Smells like a fake title. Daily mail
altered the Title to add Chinese.

I read this article before. It never says anything about the titanium being made in China in the original title.
Read the entire article and no mention of China in it.
 

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Faked documentation certifying the authenticity of the titanium could mean it was not up to standard or tested to withstand the rigors of air travel.

Chinese supplier should face severe penalties and a permanent ban from supplying parts because they are at fault in this case. (quality inspection that's another case)
Assuming the supplier is from China. Another country imports from this Chinese company then fake the document and resell these materials as airline grade titanium. Then who is at fault?
 

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Assuming the supplier is from China. Another country imports from this Chinese company then fake the document and resell these materials as airline grade titanium. Then who is at fault?
Wouldn't be good if you make the point with evidence or source? You are making a claim, usually a company tie-up witth international company and import the parts,and supply to their vendors... If that part is faulty, it does not meant that importer company to be blamed for faulty part.. I am just saying as per the general practice being followed. If supplier using fake certificate than they should get punished also.

But people here dismissed everything by saying - western is doing propaganda against china.

These are a lot of sources already quoted about fake Chinese parts
 
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Wouldn't be good if you make the point with evidence or source? You are making a claim, usually a company tie-up witth international company and import the parts,and supply to their vendors... If that part is faulty, it does not meant that importer company to be blamed for faulty part.. I am just saying as per the general practice being followed. If supplier using fake certificate than they should get punished also.

But people here dismissed everything by saying - western is doing propaganda against china.

These are a lot of sources already quoted about fake Chinese parts
Perhaps you are not a good reader. Where in your article you post mentioned anything about China?
 

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