Breaking News: US Delivers First F-16V Fighter Jet to Taiwan to Boost Air Defense Against China Threats

[Starlord]

I don't think that's possible now that PAF officially going for J-10 and J-35. F-21 tech would have been too sensitive for the US to sell or process as aid for Pakistan, and they aren't cheap, the Taiwan deal IIRC is 15 billions for 60 new airframe and unknown for the upgrade kits to upgrade them all to F-21 Viper

If US get involved in Afghanistan again, maybe Trump might offer a few of these to PAF, but I wouldn't really count on it for real.

Of course not now, things are way to bitter between both country, and not to mention the the India/Israel factor, I am sure even if there was a pitch to sell such weapons to PAF will be stopped by congress due to lobbying.
PAF would've taken F-21 in a heart beat over J-10s for sure, not sure how J10CE's are compared to F21's but I would like to assume that they would be close to each other in performance. But I think the era of American high end weapon systems in Pakistan is pretty much over, I would be surprised if US allowed the AHZ1's to be sold to PA, along with the remaining block 52's or some old F-16's from EU countries with MLU's from Turkiye, even that sounds impossible now.

 

[j_hungary]

Of course not now, things are way to bitter between both country, and not to mention the the India/Israel factor, I am sure even if there was a pitch to sell such weapons to PAF will be stopped by congress due to lobbying.
PAF would've taken F-21 in a heart beat over J-10s for sure, not sure how J10CE's are compared to F21's but I would like to assume that they would be close to each other in performance. But I think the era of American high end weapon systems in Pakistan is pretty much over, I would be surprised if US allowed the AHZ1's to be sold to PA, along with the remaining block 52's or some old F-16's from EU countries with MLU's from Turkiye, even that sounds impossible now.

General Consensus is that J-10CE is on par with F-16 Block 52/60. 70 probably have a slight edge with network centric capability and also advance sensor/laser upgrade, and F-21 is said to be better than Block 70. So I don't know.

As for Pakistan getting sensitive tech again, probably hard, I will not say the era had ended, I mean there are still meaningful relationship and Pakistan hold a key to South Asia that none of US allies in the region has (Japan, Singapore, South Korea and Philippine won't have access to Central Asian steppe region) so if things changes, Pakistan would be important enough to have that kind of relationship again, but whether it will change that way or in the short to medium future is known.

 

[Starlord]

General Consensus is that J-10CE is on par with F-16 Block 52/60. 70 probably have a slight edge with network centric capability and also advance sensor/laser upgrade, and F-21 is said to be better than Block 70. So I don't know.

As for Pakistan getting sensitive tech again, probably hard, I will not say the era had ended, I mean there are still meaningful relationship and Pakistan hold a key to South Asia that none of US allies in the region has (Japan, Singapore, South Korea and Philippine won't have access to Central Asian steppe region) so if things changes, Pakistan would be important enough to have that kind of relationship again, but whether it will change that way or in the short to medium future is known.

Well if J10's are equal or better than 52/60's that's good, hopefully more J10's will be inducted in future. I know very little about F-21's, never looked or read a good article about them and their capabilities.
Yeah, and if Afghanistan once again go into Chaos than Pakistan relevance will be important again, I hope US has no plans to bring troops back there but hopefully work with Pakistan to eliminate TTP/BLA leadership, and also install a pro Pakistan/world/US govt or alliance in Afghanistan, i know easier said than done but lets see.
I think if there is some sort of room for any betterment between the two countries, i would say lets start with either renegotiate AHZ1's or at least allow TAI to sell T-129's to PA, that will melt some ice between the two, but right now I don't see it happening because of all internal Pakistani's Politics.

 

[617ah]

To deal with China, you should at least provide the F-35, if not the F-47. Why is the United States so stingy with its allies?

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

The US won't even fight Russia for Ukraine, no way the US will fight China for Taiwan. If a single American soldier comes home in a body bag, Trump's chance of reelection is toast.

Lol what a rants you have, military wise Russia is nothing to save their ar$e, only they have nukes to save themselves in wars and if you will attack Taiwan US will not come alone but Japan/SK/Philippine and Europe come along with USA to stop you for aggression against Taiwan

 

[LeGenD]

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Here's the catch, when we get in about a thousand miles of the chinese coast, the military advantage swings decisively to china.
You name the platform and they outnumber us, and the quality of their platforms is quickly catching if not surpassing.
I'm talking about ships, airplanes, offensive missiles, defensive missiles. One advantage we have is in submarines, and they are certainly on the move there as well. So yes, this is the most rapid military buildup in history.

Perhaps, but let's check history:

Battle of Midway - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Could anybody be sure which side would prevail in this crucial battle before it happened?

The US is expanding its offensive and defensive capability and options in response to Chinese military advances. The US Navy has demonstrated the capability to intercept drones, cruise missiles, and ballistic missiles in Red Sea but Russian Navy lost several ships to similar threats in Black Sea and Chinese Navy has not tested its ships in a conflict situation. The US Navy can also use SM-2 and SM-6 missiles and jet fighters to intercept Chinese jet fighters if necessary. Both the US Navy and the US Air Force are also equipping aircraft with LRASM which might be the most advanced and survivable anti-ship cruise missile.

"LRASMs already offer a high degree of survivability thanks to their stealth design and highly autonomous route-planning capability tied to an onboard electronic support measures (ESM) suite. The missiles can automatically change course in response to the sudden appearance of enemy defenses, as well as better detect their targets via their radio-frequency emissions. In addition, they use a passive imaging infrared sensor in the terminal phase of flight, which does not send out radio-frequency signals that an enemy could detect and is immune to radio-frequency jamming. It can also visually decipher different targets by comparing them to its onboard database and strike them in the most vulnerable spots."
Link

The US Navy can also use Tomahawk and JASSM cruise missiles to attack Chinese military infrastructure on land. The US is also developing LRHW to do the same. No country including Russian forces in Syria could intercept a salvo of Tomahawk cruise missiles in a conflict situation because these missiles can blend in surface clutter to reduce detection possibilities and bypass surface threats to reach a target. JASSM have stealth optimizations. LRHW is MACH 17 capable in endo-atmospheric conditions, much faster than DF-17.

"One of the AGM-158’s top features is its low-observable skin coatings and underlying structures. Its ability to weave its way through the densest of anti-air umbrellas is the key selling point for the weapon."

Chinese defenses might be better than Russian defenses but the US have thousands of advanced missiles to use in war. Therefore, it is a mistake to write-off American options in the Pacific.

China has a large military force and can overwhelm Taiwan in war in theory but it remains to be seen how Taiwan will fight and the US and Japan will support Taiwan or not. Russia could overwhelm Ukraine in war in theory but NATO made it possible for Ukrainian forces to challenge Russian forces and make it very costly for Russia to fight this war. If people in Taiwan decide to fight then they can create opportunity for the US and Japan to intervene and China will be in a bind in this situation. If not then China can win. It depends.

 

[Yommie]

Lol what a rants you have, military wise Russia is nothing to save their ar$e, only they have nukes to save themselves in wars and if you will attack Taiwan US will not come alone but Japan/SK/Philippine and Europe come along with USA to stop you for aggression against Taiwan

Russia is nobody compared to China. China has 10 times the population of Russia. China makes 5 nm chips. Russia cannot. China makes aircraft carriers. Russia cannot. China makes 6th generation fighter jets. Russia cannot. When it comes to drones, China ranks #1 by a long shot.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

Russia is nobody compared to China. China has 10 times the population of Russia. China makes 5 nm chips. Russia cannot. China makes aircraft carriers. Russia cannot. China makes 6th generation fighter jets. Russia cannot. When it comes to drones, China ranks #1 by a long shot.

Does your rants is finished? and what the purpose of this rant?

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

Russia is nobody compared to China. China has 10 times the population of Russia. China makes 5 nm chips. Russia cannot. China makes aircraft carriers. Russia cannot. China makes 6th generation fighter jets. Russia cannot. When it comes to drones, China ranks #1 by a long shot.

Does China survive against 6-7 coalition forces in SCS/ and Taiwan strait?

 

[Yommie]

Does China survive against 6-7 coalition forces in SCS/ and Taiwan strait?

Why would they fight China? They recognize Taiwan as a province of China.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

Why would they fight China? They recognize Taiwan as a province of China.

No they recognize Taiwan as a separate country not province of China, if you will invade Taiwan they'll come to help Taiwan 's sovereignty

 

[Yommie]

No they recognize Taiwan as a separate country not province of China, if you will invade Taiwan they'll come to help Taiwan 's sovereignty

They cannot afford to fight China. They have elections. If a single American soldier comes home in a body bag Trump can kiss his reelection goodbye.

 

[Eşbah]

Perhaps, but let's check history:

Battle of Midway - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Could anybody be sure which side would prevail in this crucial battle before it happened?

The US is expanding its offensive and defensive capability and options in response to Chinese military advances. The US Navy has demonstrated the capability to intercept drones, cruise missiles, and ballistic missiles in Red Sea but Russian Navy lost several ships to similar threats in Black Sea and Chinese Navy has not tested its ships in a conflict situation. The US Navy can also use SM-2 and SM-6 missiles and jet fighters to intercept Chinese jet fighters if necessary. Both the US Navy and the US Air Force are also equipping aircraft with LRASM which might be the most advanced and survivable anti-ship cruise missile.

"LRASMs already offer a high degree of survivability thanks to their stealth design and highly autonomous route-planning capability tied to an onboard electronic support measures (ESM) suite. The missiles can automatically change course in response to the sudden appearance of enemy defenses, as well as better detect their targets via their radio-frequency emissions. In addition, they use a passive imaging infrared sensor in the terminal phase of flight, which does not send out radio-frequency signals that an enemy could detect and is immune to radio-frequency jamming. It can also visually decipher different targets by comparing them to its onboard database and strike them in the most vulnerable spots."
Link

The US Navy can also use Tomahawk and JASSM cruise missiles to attack Chinese military infrastructure on land. The US is also developing LRHW to do the same. No country including Russian forces in Syria could intercept a salvo of Tomahawk cruise missiles in a conflict situation because these missiles can blend in surface clutter to reduce detection possibilities and bypass surface threats to reach a target. JASSM have stealth optimizations. LRHW is MACH 17 capable in endo-atmospheric conditions, much faster than DF-17.

"One of the AGM-158’s top features is its low-observable skin coatings and underlying structures. Its ability to weave its way through the densest of anti-air umbrellas is the key selling point for the weapon."

Chinese defenses might be better than Russian defenses but the US have thousands of advanced missiles to use in war. Therefore, it is a mistake to write-off American options in the Pacific.

China has a large military force and can overwhelm Taiwan in war in theory but it remains to be seen how Taiwan will fight and the US and Japan will support Taiwan or not. Russia could overwhelm Ukraine in war in theory but NATO made it possible for Ukrainian forces to challenge Russian forces and make it very costly for Russia to fight this war. If people in Taiwan decide to fight then they can create opportunity for the US and Japan to intervene and China will be in a bind in this situation. If not then China can win. It depends.

I find it hard to believe that any European, British, Turkish, or Canadian "ally" of the United States would be willing to send their sons to fight for American interests against China in Taiwan. If you think any of them will intervene, you might be in for a shock.

South Korea is unlikely to provide support for obvious reasons, and Japan's involvement will likely be minimal at best.

This is fundamentally your battle.

The only country that might offer significant help is Australia, primarily due to its concerns about Chinese influence. Other than perhaps the Aussies, no one is willing to sacrifice their young sons lives to uphold American dominance; that era has long passed. Thank you, Trump!

Honestly, I question whether even the U.S. will provide any substantial aid. BTW, your comparison is flawed. Taiwan lacks a land border with NATO countries unlike Ukraine, and if you believe that China will do nothing and permit American supplies to come through the air, you are mistaken.

One thing is clear:

China is not the Soviet Union, and a military victory over them is unlikely.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

They cannot afford to fight China. They have elections. If a single American soldier comes home in a body bag Trump can kiss his reelection goodbye.

Ah if this will happens China will become nuclear wasteland

 

[Yommie]

Ah if this will happens China will become nuclear wasteland

China considers Taiwan its own land.