Can the US win a war with China? Shocking new simulation reveals what could happen if Taiwan is attacked

[ety]

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When Dr Sun Yat Sen won and came into power in 1912, he decided a single acceptable nation wide spoken language must be in place for China. With the kind of back drop as I explained, no way in hell will Cantonese accept Fujianese as the national spoken language. Or Shanghainese accept Shandongnese or Fujianese accept Cantonese. That meeting for common spoken Chinese did not seem to go anywere. Then Beijinese was proposed as the National Language. Since Beijinese was spoken only by a few millions around the area of Bei jin, and that was not the spoken dialect of their rivals, everyone agreed to accept Beijinese as the National spoken language of China or national language or 國 語 .

Which is the reason why the Chinese language you spend so many years and money and handfuls of wet coarse grit on in your language courses can only be understood by your teachers and fellow students and incomprehensible once you move about China.

Vietnam used the same Chinese characters and Vietnamese is actually a dialect of Chinese.
Then the French Imperial Colonizers came. To force Vietnamese from their roots, the French Colonial Powers forced the Romanizing of Vietnamese, slaughtering thousands who tried to resist. As the same sound might be 30 different words, all clearly known by the written form with proper radicals, romanizing of the sound meant you need to use memory to know the context of the sentences before you can guess the meaning of that word or particular sound. Which is why Vietnamese is on the the most difficult language to learn and get into now.

Korea used the Chinese characters, known in Korea as Hanja 漢字 (just as Japanese Kanji 漢字) . 漢字 in other words is Han Zi or Chinese Words. Until Korean King Sejong the Great in 15th century invented, or cause to invent, the Korean script based on sounds. Since the King is the closest to Heaven , and Korea is a relatively small area and koreans speak the same way, that was implementable. But if you ever received a name card from a Korean, his or her name will inevitably by written in chinese characters. Those chinese characters will also be seen carved in stone steles and on the walls of their temples. Sorry, Koreans will rather drop dead then to use the bastardised jian ti ji so loved by lauwais trying to get into chinese.

In Japan, in addition to the Kanji, the Japanese used the kana, a phonetically representative of sound. You might like to know as a sound can mean 20 to 30 different words, Interestingly enough, this kana is like the chuyin fuhao (bopomofo) used traditionally by Chinese to teach their kids the sounds of Chinese words. This is discarded when kids are big unlike me.

Until present days.

This bopomofo is the means in which chinese words are entered into hand phones and PCs.
Non of those crap about using keyboards of a thousand keys to frighten people into using jian ti ji.

Where there cannot be any ambiguity such as Japanese contract, that contract will be totally written in kanji, or han zi. And japanese will drop dead first before using jian ti zi.


Mao Tze Tung not satisfied with burying 46,000 scholars alive, he wanted to make sure even the little that jian ti ji represented Chinese be totally destroyed , he wanted to coup de grace Chinese totally .

He got the Hanyu Pinyin developed to be the burial shroud of Chinese language. Hanyu Pinyin was designed to totally replace the written form of Chinese so that jian ti ji will not even be used.

So that all Chinese in China, after they were reverted to state of semi illiteracy with jian ti ji, will be totally illiterate in having to use Hanyu PinYin so no way could they refer to old writings to compare M T T against.

There can be more similarity between German and English in spoken language then between different chinese dialects. The screams against Hanyu pin yin to replace Chinese written characters became such a storm that Mao had to back down. It might be easier to get the Israel Philharmonic Orchestra to play Horst Wessel Lied or to get Americans to accept GOD SAVE THE QUEEN as American National Anthem.

Hanyu Pin Yin lingered on largely and entirely due to lauwais keeping that refrain alive to this day as their crutch into learning of Chinese.

So folks leaning on Hanyu Pin Yin to learn chinese might love that they using what was intended as burial shroud of Chinese language to prance about in.

Which is why I normally used my mental English version of how the chinese word sound instead of hanyu pin yin. Of course , in Ctrl C V , you then and only then, see the Hanjyu Pinyin from me. That seemed to be the case in Taiwan. Within a couple of km from each other, the same road signs to the same destination written in Chinese will have the phonetics in 5-6 different English forms. In Taiwan, nobody paid any heed to English words. Those lauwais who know also do not pay heed to English words either. Only those righteous ones demand the words to be written correctly (whatever is correct) and the rest of Taiwanese just get on with life.

Lol, Mandarin is the official and national language of China, it is spoken by gov officials of China since the Ming dynasty more than 600 years ago hence the name, most Chinese today in China including younger minorities can communicate in Mandarin. Cantonese is of course a Chinese dialect or sublanguage of Chinese.

 

[Shanlung]

Lol, Mandarin is the official language of China, it was spoken by gov officials of China since the Ming dynasty more than 600 years ago hence the name, most Chinese today in China including younger minorities can communicate in Mandarin. Cantonese is of course a Chinese dialect or sublanguage of Chinese.

Where you got your knowledge of Chinese and Mandarin language?


From same place as that other language expert got his esteemed knowledge about "中北" And tell that other language expert I got more interest in wanking myself with coarse grit and sand than to explain Chinese to him. He can direct his request to Beijinwalker who is much more tolerant to idiot than I am.


Mandarin as official language of China only came into being by efforts of Dr Sun Yat Sen, QuoFu of China. Folks and government on both sides of Taiwan Straits all agreed Dr Sun is the Father (QuoFU) of China.

Not from 600 years ago.
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No wonder my Chinese undergrad tutor shook her head and told me she could not read the old chinese words on granite steles whereas I could guess the meanings and the Japanese tourists next to me read those with joy and happiness.

No wonder gwai los and lau wais cursed and complained the difficulties of reading Chinese when they got bastardised jian ti ji taught by people grown up in jian ti ji to teach them.

Like people trying to read Shakespeare in England after they got a course in pidgin Ingleesh in Papua New Guinea.

Of course, your choice to get into Chinese via jian ti ji or Fan ti ji, or even to continue your Chinese journey in jian ti ji. I am sure there will be Japanese tourists or Korean tourists visting the temples and old granite steles happy to explain to your what they are reading. Hope you have your Japanese/Korean dictionary handy.

While China existed many many thousands of years, it was acknowledged that Chin Shi Huang Di, the first emperor of China unified China, unified the weights and measures, and kind of unified the written Chinese into current day fan ti ji Chinese. To try to make people forget the past and not used the past as measure against his rule, he buried 460 scholars alive in addition to burning books that he deemed not suitable and any caught with forbidden books got buried alive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qin_Shi_Huang

Mao Zedong, chairman of the People's Republic of China, was reviled for his persecution of intellectuals. On being compared to the First Emperor, Mao responded: "He buried 460 scholars alive; we have buried forty-six thousand scholars alive... You [intellectuals] revile us for being Qin Shi Huangs. You are wrong. We have surpassed Qin Shi Huang a hundredfold. When you berate us for imitating his despotism, we are happy to agree! Your mistake was that you did not say so enough."<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qin_Shi_Huang#cite_note-91" rel="external nofollow noopener" target="_blank">[91]</a>


While the written Chinese language existed through China and beyond, there were no single spoken Chinese language even though they all used the same written language.

So you have Cantonese used in Canton, Fujianese used in Fujian, Shanghainese used in Shanghai, Sechwanese used in Sechwan , etc etc etc .

The troubles in North Ireland was a kindergarten party compared to China clan wars between different language or clan groups. Taiping uprising was more a clan warfare even if that leader claimed to be the brother of Jesus. Ethnic cleansing in Balkans, deaths of American Civil Wars, Napoleanic wars combined together might match the deaths of China Clans wars in 1700s and 1800s

When Dr Sun Yat Sen won and came into power in 1912, he decided a single acceptable nation wide spoken language must be in place for China. With the kind of back drop as I explained, no way in hell will Cantonese accept Fujianese as the national spoken language. Or Shanghainese accept Shandongnese or Fujianese accept Cantonese. That meeting for common spoken Chinese did not seem to go anywere. Then Beijinese was proposed as the National Language. Since Beijinese was spoken only by a few millions around the area of Bei jin, and that was not the spoken dialect of their rivals, everyone agreed to accept Beijinese as the National spoken language of China or national language or 國 語 .

 

[Han Patriot]

First of all, assuming them go on shore safely? The only way these people in fishing boat can go onshore safely is when you already had taken the coast, if so, WTF is these people for? Unless you try to up armored your fishing boat, thin tin layer of sheet steel can't stop a M240 firing 7.62 at 2800 to 3000 ft/s. Let alone a 12.5mm machine gun, let alone a AT-4 launcher, let alone a M81 mortar. If you have a Taiwanese soldier armed with a M240 at the board side of where your fishing boat land, it's not going to be safe. And lol, how fishing boat smuggle stuff? Dude, do you even know how heavy is a box of ammo? 200 rounds of 5.56 (Standard load out for an individual soldier, which will last you about 2 hours in firefight) with box is about 13 kg, with mag is about 10. 25 soldier per boat that ammo alone is 250kg, double it and you can last for4 hours for half a tons, just small arms ammo along, and then you have 25 men. your weapon, gear, pack, and you are adding individual drone on them, yeah, good luck on that trip.

I have already spelled out the decimation of coastal defenses before even embarking on an amphibious assault. If only you cared to read. Common sense mate, who is going to go straight into a barrage of artillery and machine gun before sending in the air based destruction? Wooden fishing boats were actually used to attack Hainan back in the 50s since CCP did not have large transport ships. Modern fishing boats made of steel is able to cross the straits easily, you can find Chinese fishing boats routinely in the straits across the middle line.

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Types-of-vessels-operating-in-western-Taiwan-Strait_fig1_263051530

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The deepest part is barely 100m.

Second of all, your plan depends on that 25000 troop make inroad, what if they didn't again, even if you are lucky enough to pull all 25000 troop on shore, you are talking about general engagement that is not going to last for 2 hours, let alone days and week, the first log pack have to be distributed within 2 hours, which is how long it takes to expand all 200 rounds they carried. Otherwise your men run dry, and you have to resupply them every 2 hours or whenever they need in order to make progress. And lol, occupy local supermarket? I am pretty sure these supermarket will roll out their red carpet to welcome the Chinese troop, given if they can get that far. Dude, those store would have been loot clean before you even start your op. You don't teleport to Taiwanese coast, the moment you went feet wet, they would have redistributed all the resource.

Imagine a Taiwan blockaded with no food and fuel. The rich and famous will start to leave the island and depart for the West, some will defect to China. Industries will collapse, food shortages will cause riots. Chinese infiltrated fifth column will start causing social unrest. Some units will start to defect. This is not Ukraine where supplies can be sent in via Poland and Hungary. Without fuel and food, the whole country will turn into Somalia suddenly. Money becomes worthless, inflation skyrockets, the system collapses. Even if you have food, without fuel, there is no way to transport it, even if you have food and fuel, the inflation will cause the distribution to collapse. Next, electricity is cut off, comms cut off, you think the snowflakes in Taiwan can endure this shit?

Now coupled with this, imagine Chinese doing a shock and awe attack across Taiwan. Bombardment after bombardment, drone attack after drone attack, once the meat is tenderized, what happens next? The amphibious assault begins. Special forces will capture key points, concurrently, unconventional and conventional means is used to transport troops. Whether RORO ships, fishing ships, even container ships can be used for large scale mobilization. Once a port is capture a single RORO ship can ship in 6000 cars, imagine it is modified for APCs, we can ships 1000 easily? A single container ship can deliver how much munitions? You just need one to get through. A single carrier can carry 20'000 TEU, guess how much one container can carry? That's just ONE ship going across barely 200km of water.
China can easily mobilize 2mil troops without even causing a population problem. Can Taiwan do the same?

Thirdly, sure, fly them in, set aside whether or not you can deal with ALL Taiwanese AD to make that trip safe. Otherwise Y-20 against Patriot or even stinger, well, I don't think the odds are good. Even if you can completely pacified Taiwanese AD, let's just pretend you did, do you not think The Taiwanese would crater their own runway and make it impossible to used by the Chinese? That sound extremely familiar. Wait a minute, that's what the Ukrainian done in Hostomel......And instead of you are looking a land base armour thrust to secure Hostomel, you are looking at light infantry action trying to secure those airport before the Taiwanese dump it, I mean what could possibly go wrong?

1.) Do you think you have more old Mig or Taiwanese have more air defence missile?
2.) Oh, yes, cruise missile for the win, name me one war that you can actually destroy enemy air defence with cruise missile, this is not even being done by the American during Operation Iraqi Freedom. You know how I know? Well, I was there.
3.) well, you just missed something called Alert 5 and Ready 5 system, what if the air force already airborne? And lol, MLRS on a airfield?? With what? 30kg explosive charge? What kind of damage you think it will do?
4.) Yeah, of course you don't need to land to finish 90% of Taiwanese AD. Well, sure, whatever.....
5.) Yeah, of course, you have 3 fleet, and you think you can blockade an island about 40000 sq kilometers 24/7....,
6.) Haha, sure, that's how special force work. Using a lightly equipped, highly specialised force to occupy port and some area. I mean what can possibly go wrong?
7.) So you are saying all these are done before the main event?? Why not just say "Shoot missile, land troop, secure island.....job done instead.,"

What did the Ukraine war teach you? Patriots are doing jackshit oeverthere, yes use them to blast balloons? HHAHAHAH. do you know how many ways there are for China to spoof those systems into wasting their missiles? There are almost 1000 old Migs/J7/J8 in storage, one patriot cost 4$mil ish, do the fcking math genius. That does not include the number of drones spoofing as combat aircrafts. You also think Chinese missiles and artillery won't destroy those already identified? We are not even talking about our stealth fighters yet. Those are left for the last. First will be heavy destruction of your air defenses and then drone attacks.

First of all, if 20% of Taiwanese support One China and as you said before unification supporters, DPP won't get elected at all. You are talking about 20% of the entire population swing, not just 20% of voter

Second of all, supporting unification does not mean they will do jack for China. Again, if you really have 20% of Taiwanese working for you, there won't be a war.

Please check out the Taiwan elections and analyze the situation. I am sick of spoonfeeding you. I think you have a comprehension problem, for the nth fcking time, if you have 20% supporting one China, you already have a large pool to recruit from, you aren't realistically going to recruit all 20% right genius? Do you know what is the 92' concensus and do you know the stance of the KMT and TPP? If TPP and KMT combined forces which they nearly did, they would have garnered 60% of the votes genius.

Again, MLRS rocket don't do 400km. You are talking about ATACMS type missile, that's not artillery.

'A multiple rocket launcher (MRL) or multiple launch rocket system (MLRS) is a type of rocket artillery system '

Multiple rocket launcher - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Notice the word ARTILLERY numb numb? LOLOL. Dude, you seriously need to read more.

 

[ety]

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Where you got your knowledge of Chinese and Mandarin language?


From same place as that other language expert got his esteemed knowledge about "中北" And tell that other language expert I got more interest in wanking myself with coarse grit and sand than to explain Chinese to him. He can direct his request to Beijinwalker who is much more tolerant to idiot than I am.


Mandarin as official language of China only came into being by efforts of Dr Sun Yat Sen, QuoFu of China. Folks and government on both sides of Taiwan Straits all agreed Dr Sun is the Father (QuoFU) of China.

Not from 600 years ago.
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No wonder my Chinese undergrad tutor shook her head and told me she could not read the old chinese words on granite steles whereas I could guess the meanings and the Japanese tourists next to me read those with joy and happiness.

No wonder gwai los and lau wais cursed and complained the difficulties of reading Chinese when they got bastardised jian ti ji taught by people grown up in jian ti ji to teach them.

Like people trying to read Shakespeare in England after they got a course in pidgin Ingleesh in Papua New Guinea.

Of course, your choice to get into Chinese via jian ti ji or Fan ti ji, or even to continue your Chinese journey in jian ti ji. I am sure there will be Japanese tourists or Korean tourists visting the temples and old granite steles happy to explain to your what they are reading. Hope you have your Japanese/Korean dictionary handy.

While China existed many many thousands of years, it was acknowledged that Chin Shi Huang Di, the first emperor of China unified China, unified the weights and measures, and kind of unified the written Chinese into current day fan ti ji Chinese. To try to make people forget the past and not used the past as measure against his rule, he buried 460 scholars alive in addition to burning books that he deemed not suitable and any caught with forbidden books got buried alive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qin_Shi_Huang

Mao Zedong, chairman of the People's Republic of China, was reviled for his persecution of intellectuals. On being compared to the First Emperor, Mao responded: "He buried 460 scholars alive; we have buried forty-six thousand scholars alive... You [intellectuals] revile us for being Qin Shi Huangs. You are wrong. We have surpassed Qin Shi Huang a hundredfold. When you berate us for imitating his despotism, we are happy to agree! Your mistake was that you did not say so enough."<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qin_Shi_Huang#cite_note-91" rel="external nofollow noopener" target="_blank">[91]</a>


While the written Chinese language existed through China and beyond, there were no single spoken Chinese language even though they all used the same written language.

So you have Cantonese used in Canton, Fujianese used in Fujian, Shanghainese used in Shanghai, Sechwanese used in Sechwan , etc etc etc .

The troubles in North Ireland was a kindergarten party compared to China clan wars between different language or clan groups. Taiping uprising was more a clan warfare even if that leader claimed to be the brother of Jesus. Ethnic cleansing in Balkans, deaths of American Civil Wars, Napoleanic wars combined together might match the deaths of China Clans wars in 1700s and 1800s

When Dr Sun Yat Sen won and came into power in 1912, he decided a single acceptable nation wide spoken language must be in place for China. With the kind of back drop as I explained, no way in hell will Cantonese accept Fujianese as the national spoken language. Or Shanghainese accept Shandongnese or Fujianese accept Cantonese. That meeting for common spoken Chinese did not seem to go anywere. Then Beijinese was proposed as the National Language. Since Beijinese was spoken only by a few millions around the area of Bei jin, and that was not the spoken dialect of their rivals, everyone agreed to accept Beijinese as the National spoken language of China or national language or 國 語 .

Don't talk nonsense. "The capitals of China have been within the Mandarin-speaking area for most of the last millennium, making these dialects very influential. Some form of Mandarin has served as a lingua franca for government officials and the courts since the 14th century."

Mandarin Chinese - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Mandarin (traditional Chinese: 官話; simplified Chinese: 官话; pinyin: Guānhuà; lit. 'official speech') was the common spoken language of administration of the Chinese empire during the Ming and Qing dynasties.

Mandarin (late imperial lingua franca) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[j_hungary]

It sticks？Then alot of those medical and Engineering drop outs can become doctors and engineers? HAHAHAHAHAHA. They will still need to give you? Show me your diploma in IT? There is a saying in my Uni, if you can't finish Engineering, go for IT, if you can't finish IT go for business, that's for the dmb kids. LOL

Dude, first of all you show me nothing, why do I need to show you.

And I had show my graduation certificate to @MH.Yang ask him, I am not going to do shit if you are not going to do anything.

I did not get top marks in an Australian University as per my own Chinese standards, LOL, but according to the local Australian standards, they consider me a 'Distinction' Student for scoring above 75% percentile in an Engineering faculty to warrant me a scholarship. You got to ask them mate. LOL

lol, is this the "Chinese yard" again? You know jack shit about how Australian Uni works. Let alone completing it. I don't really need you to show me shit just tell me which Uni you went to and how you get to the Uni, I went to UNSW, the Computer Science building is on the Right side of the campus, near the College Accommodation and most of my classes was in the Round House and the Bio-Chem auditorium. And you get there by taking 370 form Central Station to Anzac Parade and then walk thru the gate opposite of NIDA. You tell me where you went to uni and how you get there, then maybe we can talk

And waves do not wash up tankers that travel across the globe from the tropics to the North Sea? Our FPSOs are designed for NORSOK standards and ABS standards, all fcking use the same paint scheme across the region. Just fcking admit your navy did some shit job painting and maintaining those ships okay, stop being defensive and cheer excessively, it makes you look pathetic

Wave don't wash up tankers? What waves you are talking about the onw in water park??

Or are you telling me all these videos are fake??

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Dude, if you are talking about North Sea standard without talkking about sea state, I know you are BSing, nobody talk about what standard a sea was in, everyone is about sea state, and you don't get anymore than SS5 coastal, and you don't travel coastal when you are in a warship. Again, do you want my cousin to lecture you on shipping, which is something quite obviously you know shit about.

The Houthis have info on what ship is coming and if it is Chinese flagged , even I have info, you fcking use vesselfinder. LOL. They won't attack and that's according to BBC/CNN. Maersk was even contemplating flying a Chinese flag for vessels travelling there back then, according to my uncle. Do mistakes happen? probably but if Chinese ships are still sailing while Maersk was near cancelling their routes, then somebody must have some deal right? Hey we were talking about Gulf War and you suddenly went into Iraq/Iran war. I told you blockades meant port blockades because goods especially large volume of goods can only move through designated ports with the right infrastructure to handle them, unless of course you plan to unload containers using dinghys? LOLOL

LOL, vessel finder?? Are you serious?

Dude, I can tell you if this is the case, then Russia wouldn't shoot down that Flight 8243, or MH-17 or for that matter KAL-007. Or the US wouldn't be shooting down Iranian 655.

Dude, have you heard of the thing call "Radar/Transponder Spoofing" If Vesselfinder is reliable, then I know how they can stop the Houtis from firing,just spoof all signal and appear to be Chinese on vessel finder.

Also vessel finder only tell you about the port of registration, not whoever pilot the ship, you do heard of a thing call "Hiring a ship" right? The flag port may not be what the ship flag was flying, I can hire a Chinese registered ship and go up and down running cargo haul for Israel. And that ship will appear to be Chinese because it only show you this

 

[j_hungary]

Ukraine starve? One of the largest grain exporters is starving? Gosh, common sense, how many times do I have to remind you. Ukrainians goods are not going through major Ukrainian ports but ports in Romania and shipped through land numb numb.

Here let me show you the situation today, ZERO, ZERO ships in Ukrainian ports. Get it genius?
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What you are good at is to insult people, that's the only thing you are good at. That is exactly my point, there are other way to support Ukraine, and US et el will support Taiwan if there is a war. That is how the US support Ukraine.......MSC still run ship up and supply Ukraine thru Romania, jut because they don't go up in Ukraine, that does not mean they aren't going to be at risk, and those land route ARE at risk because Russia can attack them, did you see them stop tho?

On the other hand, you still had not tell me how China can militarily blockade the entire Taiwan island with 3 fleet.

I literally just showed you the ship ownership changed Common sense, common sense mate. Why did a group which normally don't attack Chinese ships attack? THINK!!!

W HUANG PU, General Cargo Ship - Details and current position - IMO 9438353 - VesselFinder

Vessel W HUANG PU (IMO 9438353, MMSI 355640000) is a General Cargo Ship built in 2010 and currently sailing under the flag of Panama.

www.vesselfinder.com

NOT EVEN CHINESE FLAGGED!!!! LOL.

Are you for real, aren't you the one just said you can use vessel finder??

Again, just because it's Panama Flagged that does not mean they aren't Chinese owned and Chinese operated?

I am not sure what is your age, we don't fcking use HACK in Melbourne in my Uni circles those days. LOLOL. Well I did write a thesis on evolutionary algorithm and programmed it, so I guess I am better than an IT drop out? LOLOL

Hack is a term, I did my degree in late 00s and it still use today, unless you are 50 years old plus and did the degree back in 1990s, I talked to you, there are no way you are 50 years old.

By the way, hack mean programmer that copies people

My friend how do you think trajectory correction works? LOL. Whether it can hit the target is for you to find out in the future. Why can't you detect your target if it is the only metal object out in that area? Imagine this, if small missile can have terrain recognition, what do you think huge missiles with current processors can do? What about active radar and image recognition? Just because you don't know it exists, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. This was in 1988.

https://secwww.jhuapl.edu/techdigest/content/techdigest/pdf/V09-N03/09-03-Boone.pdf

Imagine can be a lot of thing, imagine you are a serious person is probably are a more achievable task than asking for a seeker to have terrain recognition, satellite to provide you with real time data, which it by definition, it can't because it takes times to beam data to and from the satellite, this is called lag time, from a few second (each way) to a few minutes, and then you need to have way to some how verify the target, either AI or person, even AI, you are not talking about instant calculation, and no AI can do that at this moment, which left only people, it gonna take hour to try to get it down.

Of course if such thing exist, you can have a seeker smaller enough to put in a big missile, but if such thing existed, probably we would have near light travel. I know it can't because I know it can't as far as my knowledge of using Satellite, not because I don't know if something does not exist.

You said, there we no naval blockade for ports, I just proved to you naval blockades involved ports. 21st century? LOL, why can't we include WW2 port blockades in the 20th century? 21st century is only 2000 - 2020 period? A naval blockade in essense is to block the entry to a port, you don’t have to stay 500m from a port to block it right numb numb? Your combat vessel has an operating radius, any ships entering that radius can be destroyed. Who the fck is asking you to put it next to a port? You cover an area around the port so ships cannot enter without getting destroyed.



'A blockade is the act of actively preventing a country or region from receiving or sending out food, supplies, weapons, or communications, and sometimes people, by military force.'



Hence a naval blockade is just using the navy to block a country or region from receiving and sending out goods. To block a country from receiving and sending goods, you have to block the vessels from entering a port capable of receiving and sending those goods. Do you understand now? Don't be so stubborn.

Dude, you are using blockading Confederate Port back in 1865, we are still using ship of the line and Ironclad back then, I mean sure, why we can't use the way Union and Confederate fight in the Battle of the Potomac and discussion modern land battle now, well, they still use gun (Well, Musket is kind of a gun) and artillery do they? So what' the different than how we fight now?

Are you seriously asking why it most likely is not going to be irreverent what you can do it in 1865 and now in 2025? Dude, think about in the angle of how long you can reach with anti-ship missile and how long the detection sequence come forward and how far out of horizon you can detect now in 2025 and back in 1865, and then you ask yourself this "Had I just ask a dumb question"

And again, SLOC don't have actual control unlike GLOC, once your ship leave that area, you don't have control in that area, you can probably go that back in 1865 when Submarine and Anti-ship Missile and OTH Radar is not a thing and we just do gunnery duel, now you can only control the sea around you and the sea you can detect, ask the Russian how it does in Ukraine trying to blockade them when Ukraine don't even have a Navy, you probably will find out why.

I mean seriously?? But then I forgot you seems to think bomb only damage within the crater...........So...........

 

[Shanlung]

Don't talk nonsense. "The capitals of China have been within the Mandarin-speaking area for most of the last millennium, making these dialects very influential. Some form of Mandarin has served as a lingua franca for government officials and the courts since the 14th century."

Mandarin Chinese - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I can only led the horse to the water.
I aint going to force the head under the water.

Go and debate with your wikipedia chinese with the other self styled chinese language expert.

I will withdraw to my wet coast grit and sand


I am now at chapter 74 of 基督山恩仇記 or ji du shan en chou ji. I said I read this book in English twice before. The first time in early 70s. The second time was in late 80s. So much of what I read in English existed vaguely in mist of my memories. In this reading in Chinese, I am enjoying it in details and richness almost akin to reading it for the first time. Or rather, in hearing it spoken in Chinese via Google translate and myself following the fantiji chinese words in print via
http://mandarinspot.com/annotate

In next letter I will show you the usefulness of using http://mandarinspot.com/annotate.

I have seen folks asking to read newspaper in Chinese. I can only say do not ever do that if you are not good with Chinese, or even if you are very good (as expat) in Chinese if ever you want to get into the Chinese language and thoughts.

You have rode in taxis before. Where the taxi drivers almost always felt they are F1 drivers overlooked by others and therefore they will drive taxis in style of F1 drivers.

Writers and editors of Chinese Newspaper felt that they are overlooked denizens of Hanlinyuan 翰林院 "Hanlin Academy" .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlin_Academy

They felt compelled to write in WenYenWen when simple sentences in Chinese will do just like taxi drivers compelled to drive like F1 racers.

Further more, newspaper articles are short and require you to know almost every word those aspiring Hanlinyanist dug out from obscure chinese dictionaries.

Getting into Chinese via Chinese newspaper is akin to wanking yourself with a handful of coarse grit and sand versus getting into Chinese via a good long novel (can even be Chinese sex stories) is akin to wanking yourself with Ponds cold cream.

You need to make this journey as enjoyable as you can. This will be a long journey. I reckon you might take 3 months. Which will be better than that 3 years and more that almost all other expats assured that you will take, while wanking yourself with wet coarse grit

I can hardly think people can do things painful to them, useless as tits on a man, and continue to final conclusion of getting into Chinese

 

[ety]

I can only led the horse to the water.
I aint going to force the head under the water.

Go and debate with your wikipedia chinese with the other self styled chinese language expert.

I will withdraw to my wet coast grit and sand


I am now at chapter 74 of 基督山恩仇記 or ji du shan en chou ji. I said I read this book in English twice before. The first time in early 70s. The second time was in late 80s. So much of what I read in English existed vaguely in mist of my memories. In this reading in Chinese, I am enjoying it in details and richness almost akin to reading it for the first time. Or rather, in hearing it spoken in Chinese via Google translate and myself following the fantiji chinese words in print via
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In next letter I will show you the usefulness of using http://mandarinspot.com/annotate.

I have seen folks asking to read newspaper in Chinese. I can only say do not ever do that if you are not good with Chinese, or even if you are very good (as expat) in Chinese if ever you want to get into the Chinese language and thoughts.

You have rode in taxis before. Where the taxi drivers almost always felt they are F1 drivers overlooked by others and therefore they will drive taxis in style of F1 drivers.

Writers and editors of Chinese Newspaper felt that they are overlooked denizens of Hanlinyuan 翰林院 "Hanlin Academy" .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlin_Academy

They felt compelled to write in WenYenWen when simple sentences in Chinese will do just like taxi drivers compelled to drive like F1 racers.

Further more, newspaper articles are short and require you to know almost every word those aspiring Hanlinyanist dug out from obscure chinese dictionaries.

Getting into Chinese via Chinese newspaper is akin to wanking yourself with a handful of coarse grit and sand versus getting into Chinese via a good long novel (can even be Chinese sex stories) is akin to wanking yourself with Ponds cold cream.

You need to make this journey as enjoyable as you can. This will be a long journey. I reckon you might take 3 months. Which will be better than that 3 years and more that almost all other expats assured that you will take, while wanking yourself with wet coarse grit

I can hardly think people can do things painful to them, useless as tits on a man, and continue to final conclusion of getting into Chinese

Gerbbish.

 

[Han Patriot]

Dude, first of all you show me nothing, why do I need to show you.

And I had show my graduation certificate to @MH.Yang ask him, I am not going to do shit if you are not going to do anything.

You say it sticks right? Tell me if your uni is going to award a diploma to a dropout. LOLOLOL.

lol, is this the "Chinese yard" again? You know jack shit about how Australian Uni works. Let alone completing it. I don't really need you to show me shit just tell me which Uni you went to and how you get to the Uni, I went to UNSW, the Computer Science building is on the Right side of the campus, near the College Accommodation and most of my classes was in the Round House and the Bio-Chem auditorium. And you get there by taking 370 form Central Station to Anzac Parade and then walk thru the gate opposite of NIDA. You tell me where you went to uni and how you get there, then maybe we can talk

You do know 90% of all brand new FPSOs costing 1bil$ each are made in China nowadays right? Chinese yards are already on par with Japanese and Korean yards, so much so that Korean yards are subcontracting their vessels to China. Well, no point explaining to you anyway since you are not even in the industry right Mr. LNG. LOL. You can go to any building you want, but a drop out is a drop out no matter how much you try to explain it. LOLOL.

Wave don't wash up tankers? What waves you are talking about the onw in water park??

Or are you telling me all these videos are fake??

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Dude, if you are talking about North Sea standard without talkking about sea state, I know you are BSing, nobody talk about what standard a sea was in, everyone is about sea state, and you don't get anymore than SS5 coastal, and you don't travel coastal when you are in a warship. Again, do you want my cousin to lecture you on shipping, which is something quite obviously you know shit about.

Wtf are you even spewing, I am telling you the paint we used is across the board, no matter if there are waves washing up the tanker. You think the paint is going to be more special because you have extra waves. God damn it, READ. Do you even know NORSOK standards? Here try reading this if you can understand it? LOLOL.

NORSOK Approved Coatings - Promain

The use of specific types of paint and coatings for marine NORSOK Approvals.

www.promain.co.uk

LOL, vessel finder?? Are you serious?

Dude, I can tell you if this is the case, then Russia wouldn't shoot down that Flight 8243, or MH-17 or for that matter KAL-007. Or the US wouldn't be shooting down Iranian 655.

You don't know vesselfinder? I use it all the time to track our FPSOs. Technically Russia can shoot at the wrong vessel, if they don't switch on their AIS. But since no ships are there due to the blockade, we can't find out anyway. LOLOL.

Dude, have you heard of the thing call "Radar/Transponder Spoofing" If Vesselfinder is reliable, then I know how they can stop the Houtis from firing,just spoof all signal and appear to be Chinese on vessel finder.

Vessel finder uses info from the IMO numb numb, all commercial ships report their AIS to the IMO. FFS, I am trying hard to explain to a shipping toddler. No commercial ship is going to spoof shit okay, with a size that big any coastal radar can pick it up, unless you are telling me we have STEALTH TANKERS. LOLOLOL. Spoofing works if you have a small drone trying to pretend to be a large 747.

Also vessel finder only tell you about the port of registration, not whoever pilot the ship, you do heard of a thing call "Hiring a ship" right? The flag port may not be what the ship flag was flying, I can hire a Chinese registered ship and go up and down running cargo haul for Israel. And that ship will appear to be Chinese because it only show you this

Dude, you seriously don't know what you are talking about OK. You can definitely have a 'flag of convenience' but I am talking about Chinese flagged ships, most Chinese ships owned by COSCO are Chinese flagged. It represents a country, if you attack those flagged by China, you attack China, get it?

 

[j_hungary]

I have already spelled out the decimation of coastal defenses before even embarking on an amphibious assault. If only you cared to read. Common sense mate, who is going to go straight into a barrage of artillery and machine gun before sending in the air based destruction? Wooden fishing boats were actually used to attack Hainan back in the 50s since CCP did not have large transport ships. Modern fishing boats made of steel is able to cross the straits easily, you can find Chinese fishing boats routinely in the straits across the middle line.

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Types-of-vessels-operating-in-western-Taiwan-Strait_fig1_263051530

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The deepest part is barely 100m.

It's not the criossing the strait part I have an issue of, it's the shooting part that I have an issue off, unless your fishing boat is make with Kevlar Reinforced armor, it WILL be cut to piece by a M240 Bravo Machine gun with 2 dudes (Probably just 1) hiding somewhere can reek hole in your fishing boat like a sieve. Have you ever seen what 853 meter per second Full Metal Jacket 7.62 firing at 3470J do to steel sheet? Well, I had.

M240 machine gun - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Imagine a Taiwan blockaded with no food and fuel. The rich and famous will start to leave the island and depart for the West, some will defect to China. Industries will collapse, food shortages will cause riots. Chinese infiltrated fifth column will start causing social unrest. Some units will start to defect. This is not Ukraine where supplies can be sent in via Poland and Hungary. Without fuel and food, the whole country will turn into Somalia suddenly. Money becomes worthless, inflation skyrockets, the system collapses. Even if you have food, without fuel, there is no way to transport it, even if you have food and fuel, the inflation will cause the distribution to collapse. Next, electricity is cut off, comms cut off, you think the snowflakes in Taiwan can endure this shit?

Now coupled with this, imagine Chinese doing a shock and awe attack across Taiwan. Bombardment after bombardment, drone attack after drone attack, once the meat is tenderized, what happens next? The amphibious assault begins. Special forces will capture key points, concurrently, unconventional and conventional means is used to transport troops. Whether RORO ships, fishing ships, even container ships can be used for large scale mobilization. Once a port is capture a single RORO ship can ship in 6000 cars, imagine it is modified for APCs, we can ships 1000 easily? A single container ship can deliver how much munitions? You just need one to get through. A single carrier can carry 20'000 TEU, guess how much one container can carry? That's just ONE ship going across barely 200km of water.
China can easily mobilize 2mil troops without even causing a population problem. Can Taiwan do the same?

Imagine this, imagine that, first tell me how you can completely blockade Taiwan with just 3 fleet, then maybe we can talk. And if they are completely blockaded, then how the rich leave?

Another point is had you ever considered their strategic reserve? How much food and fuel they have already stored off site to prepare for such a war? You can't attack just one day, it take month if not years to move everything in place to get your troop, ships, aircraft, supply together so you can fight a war, that give time to start strategic reserve if they had not done so already, you are talking about 1 to 2 year of reserve easily being store just in 6 month, in the US, that number is 10 years for fuel. US had 1.5 billion barrel of oil for Stategic Petroleum reserve. And 3 to 5 years depends on soil fertilities for food. China also have their strategic reserve, you don't just go without food and oil when you were getting embargoed.

Strategic Petroleum Reserve (United States) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

What did the Ukraine war teach you? Patriots are doing jackshit oeverthere, yes use them to blast balloons? HHAHAHAH. do you know how many ways there are for China to spoof those systems into wasting their missiles? There are almost 1000 old Migs/J7/J8 in storage, one patriot cost 4$mil ish, do the fcking math genius. That does not include the number of drones spoofing as combat aircrafts. You also think Chinese missiles and artillery won't destroy those already identified? We are not even talking about our stealth fighters yet. Those are left for the last. First will be heavy destruction of your air defenses and then drone attacks.

Huh? over 20,000 interception in Ukraine means these platform doing jackshit. Do you know what is doing jack shit in Ukraine? Russian Air Force, and care to ponder why they are doing absolutely NOTHING in Ukraine? That's because the platform you are saying is doing jackshit in the war.

I am sure Russian just like a challenge and not use their air force at all during the invasion, am I right?

And I like how you think an aviator with an old J-7/8/9/10 is worth less than 4 million a pop Patriot Missile. Really, that's sad.......LOL

And lol, how do you do drone when you don't have a platform to launch and ALL The launch is coming in one direction.............Dude, maybe it's time to think before you type.....

Please check out the Taiwan elections and analyze the situation. I am sick of spoonfeeding you. I think you have a comprehension problem, for the nth fcking time, if you have 20% supporting one China, you already have a large pool to recruit from, you aren't realistically going to recruit all 20% right genius? Do you know what is the 92' concensus and do you know the stance of the KMT and TPP? If TPP and KMT combined forces which they nearly did, they would have garnered 60% of the votes genius.

I read and analyze Taiwan election, I just have a problem with your "if"

First of all, the first "if" is "If" there is a 20% Taiwanese population supporting one China. That's a big "IF" by the way, the poll Taiwan Times did back in 2023 suggest 11.3% of returnee support a Chinese reunification

Poll shows 48.9% support independence - Taipei Times

Bringing Taiwan to the World and the World to Taiwan

www.taipeitimes.com

Second, the second "if" is "if" this is the case, they all support China when push come to shove, in reality, while it's hard to guess, but through history, you are talking about 10-15% of population support an insurgency in country like Afhganistan, Northern Ireland, aplying that, you have around 10% of those 11.2% would actually do something. That's a very small portion and that's before any government intervention.

I will say, if we compare the Ukrainian war with Russian Sympathiser to Chinese Sympathiser in Taiwan, Ukraine probably will face a tougher insurgency and discontent as there are a bigger portion of Ethnic Russian in Ukraine than Chinese friendly people in Taiwan. Whether or not that amount to anything is up to anyone guess, but it would have to be REALLY stupid to depends on these population to rise up and do something, in battle plan term, you discard these type of support, because that would be unrealiable.

'A multiple rocket launcher (MRL) or multiple launch rocket system (MLRS) is a type of rocket artillery system '

Multiple rocket launcher - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Notice the word ARTILLERY numb numb? LOLOL. Dude, you seriously need to read more.

I am talking about the missile, show me one GMLRS have 400km range.

HIMAS also said their effective range is 49km, but we all know they are talking about PrSr Missile, not GMLRS

 

[j_hungary]

You say it sticks right? Tell me if your uni is going to award a diploma to a dropout. LOLOLOL.

They award diploma to people who graduate, I graduated, and as far as I know you never went to College

Hell, I don't even know if you have $50 grand for a bet last time, I show you my tax return, but you never show me yours.

You do know 90% of all brand new FPSOs costing 1bil$ each are made in China nowadays right? Chinese yards are already on par with Japanese and Korean yards, so much so that Korean yards are subcontracting their vessels to China. Well, no point explaining to you anyway since you are not even in the industry right Mr. LNG. LOL. You can go to any building you want, but a drop out is a drop out no matter how much you try to explain it. LOLOL.

What's that have to do with anything, I am talking about Sea States

Wtf are you even spewing, I am telling you the paint we used is across the board, no matter if there are waves washing up the tanker. You think the paint is going to be more special because you have extra waves. God damn it, READ. Do you even know NORSOK standards? Here try reading this if you can understand it? LOLOL.

NORSOK Approved Coatings - Promain

The use of specific types of paint and coatings for marine NORSOK Approvals.

www.promain.co.uk

Paint wash up in a wave carry consider amount of force, and in the navy, you goes up to SS 6 or 7 frequently, I never said the paint are different, I said cargoship selfdom went off in the high sea, usually shipping rout is coastal and you don't have wave that big that crash into it often, Navy ship is another issue, it would have to be pointless to try to maintain it because the next wave could wash up in tthe next 5 second once you have done your work. That's what my cousin said before,.

This is not about NOKSOK standard, this is about it's pointless to try to maintain a ship in that sea state. And of course any people with internat can look up what is NOKSOK standard

https://www.stacoat.com/STACbase/Norsok%20M-501%20e.pdf

We (at least I am) are not talking about what a ship build to, I am talking about how they use it. Have you ever in a ship in high sea? Have you ever commanded a boat?

You don't know vesselfinder? I use it all the time to track our FPSOs. Technically Russia can shoot at the wrong vessel, if they don't switch on their AIS. But since no ships are there due to the blockade, we can't find out anyway. LOLOL.

Vessel finder uses info from the IMO numb numb, all commercial ships report their AIS to the IMO. FFS, I am trying hard to explain to a shipping toddler. No commercial ship is going to spoof shit okay, with a size that big any coastal radar can pick it up, unless you are telling me we have STEALTH TANKERS. LOLOLOL. Spoofing works if you have a small drone trying to pretend to be a large 747.



Dude, you seriously don't know what you are talking about OK. You can definitely have a 'flag of convenience' but I am talking about Chinese flagged ships, most Chinese ships owned by COSCO are Chinese flagged. It represents a country, if you attack those flagged by China, you attack China, get it?

I know viewfinder. Do you know how it can be used in Target Acquisition?

first, it didn't say who actually own the ship, it only say the registration port and the IMO number, it did nothing as I just show you the CentCOM tweet that My Huang PU is a Panamian Flagged Chinese ship. Or are you calling Centcom a liar?? They can and usually do flag the port of connivence instead of their origin, you do know that, right? as you claim you use it all the time. If the Houthis are using Vessel finder, they will find that MV Huang PU is a Paniman ship, not a Chinese OWNED and OPERATED ship according to Centcom.

Again, here is the tweet



Dude you know jack shit about shipping mate, please do talk more.

 

[FuturePAF]

The real question has to be what kind of war and at what costs for both sides?

What will be revealing is how the Ukraine war ends and from that knowledge, China could make an offer to Trump on reunification with Taiwan, that he might entertain. Some kind of face saving deal, where both nations prosper economically, and Trump can claim he got a good deal for the US.

Although Trump looks set to want to compete with China in the military domain, so it’s up in the air, and anything is possible.

 

[Han Patriot]

What you are good at is to insult people, that's the only thing you are good at. That is exactly my point, there are other way to support Ukraine, and US et el will support Taiwan if there is a war. That is how the US support Ukraine.......MSC still run ship up and supply Ukraine thru Romania, jut because they don't go up in Ukraine, that does not mean they aren't going to be at risk, and those land route ARE at risk because Russia can attack them, did you see them stop tho?

On the other hand, you still had not tell me how China can militarily blockade the entire Taiwan island with 3 fleet.




Are you for real, aren't you the one just said you can use vessel finder??

US is only cheerleading in Ukraine mate. HAHAHAHA. You see any active troops in Ukraine apart from the 'volunteers'? Thru Romania? Why not thru Odessa? Mykolaiev? The land route is still clear because Russia is stuck across the Dnipr. Get it? So I was right that MSC nor Maersk is shipping directly to Ukraine. Why don't you say Maersk ships to Hamburg and uses a truck to deliver to Ukraine? There are dozens of vessel tracking sites like Vesselfinder using info from IMO, it is just a visualization site.
Damn why are you so stubborn?

I friggin explain to you, you don't have to fcking guard the whole coast, you just blockade the PORTS, the fcking PORTS. GET IT? Your ship has an operational range, maybe 100km? 50km? depending on the criteria, you don't fcking need to be 500m next to a port to blockade it. Get it? How do you think the crippled Russian Navy is blockading Odessa and Mykolaiev?

Again, just because it's Panama Flagged that does not mean they aren't Chinese owned and Chinese operated?

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Even After Houthi Attacks, Russia-Linked Tankers Return to Red Sea | Hellenic Shipping News Worldwide

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It was a British ship which had recently been sold to a HK company flagged in Panama. They labelled it BRITISH. Think!

Hack is a term, I did my degree in late 00s and it still use today, unless you are 50 years old plus and did the degree back in 1990s, I talked to you, there are no way you are 50 years old.

By the way, hack mean programmer that copies people

Dude, I am done arguing on something as stupid as this. Stick to the topic dropout!

Imagine can be a lot of thing, imagine you are a serious person is probably are a more achievable task than asking for a seeker to have terrain recognition, satellite to provide you with real time data, which it by definition, it can't because it takes times to beam data to and from the satellite, this is called lag time, from a few second (each way) to a few minutes, and then you need to have way to some how verify the target, either AI or person, even AI, you are not talking about instant calculation, and no AI can do that at this moment, which left only people, it gonna take hour to try to get it down.

Of course if such thing exist, you can have a seeker smaller enough to put in a big missile, but if such thing existed, probably we would have near light travel. I know it can't because I know it can't as far as my knowledge of using Satellite, not because I don't know if something does not exist.

You do know satellite transmissions are near real time right? How do you think starlink works? The ship is not moving at rocket speed mate, it is 30 knots, you can compensate for the lag. If there is a lag so serious, how do you think your car GPS is working? This is not science fiction, ASBM is the real deal but you need alot of sensing satellites and the power of AI to target it working as one system AKA Gaofen system, it incorporates not just optical sats, but sigint and radar sats. OOO, btw, aren't you the genius who thinks GPS and IMINT sats are the same. LOLOLOL

Dude, you are using blockading Confederate Port back in 1865, we are still using ship of the line and Ironclad back then, I mean sure, why we can't use the way Union and Confederate fight in the Battle of the Potomac and discussion modern land battle now, well, they still use gun (Well, Musket is kind of a gun) and artillery do they? So what' the different than how we fight now?

Damn it, I just defined to you what a blockade is, are you taht thick? A blockade is a blockade no matter at what age, it involves a port of entry and exit? AKA exPORT, imPORT, it fcking involves a PORT.

Are you seriously asking why it most likely is not going to be irreverent what you can do it in 1865 and now in 2025? Dude, think about in the angle of how long you can reach with anti-ship missile and how long the detection sequence come forward and how far out of horizon you can detect now in 2025 and back in 1865, and then you ask yourself this "Had I just ask a dumb question"

A naval blockade using missiles, gun boats all involves blocking the entry/exit to a PORT. DAMN IT!! CAN YOU UNDERSTAND? So it doesn't matter if it was the 1880s or 2020s, you need to deny entry/exit to a PORTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!

 

[j_hungary]

US is only cheerleading in Ukraine mate. HAHAHAHA. You see any active troops in Ukraine apart from the 'volunteers'? Thru Romania? Why not thru Odessa? Mykolaiev? The land route is still clear because Russia is stuck across the Dnipr. Get it? So I was right that MSC nor Maersk is shipping directly to Ukraine. Why don't you say Maersk ships to Hamburg and uses a truck to deliver to Ukraine? There are dozens of vessel tracking sites like Vesselfinder using info from IMO, it is just a visualization site.
Damn why are you so stubborn?

I friggin explain to you, you don't have to fcking guard the whole coast, you just blockade the PORTS, the fcking PORTS. GET IT? Your ship has an operational range, maybe 100km? 50km? depending on the criteria, you don't fcking need to be 500m next to a port to blockade it. Get it? How do you think the crippled Russian Navy is blockading Odessa and Mykolaiev?

Dude, you are talking about risk, and I am not talkign about whether or not Maeask will ship to Ukraine, first of all, they have another route, why risk, that have nothing to do with whether or not Maersk refused to ship to Ukraine, this is about how they can do it, if they can do it a safe way, why not? And in taiwanese case, there will be a MSC level support from the US, the same way MSC supported Ukraine. How hard is it for you to understand?

And again, just because US can intervene does that mean they have to?

Even After Houthi Attacks, Russia-Linked Tankers Return to Red Sea | Hellenic Shipping News Worldwide

www.hellenicshippingnews.com

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It was a British ship which had recently been sold to a HK company flagged in Panama. They labelled it BRITISH. Think!


Dude, I am done arguing on something as stupid as this. Stick to the topic dropout!

Show me where it said it is a British ship, and in case you are living in a cave for the last 28 years, Hong Kong returned to China in 1997, they are Part of China, this is not a Briitsh ship. We aren't living in 1996.

You do know satellite transmissions are near real time right? How do you think starlink works? The ship is not moving at rocket speed mate, it is 30 knots, you can compensate for the lag. If there is a lag so serious, how do you think your car GPS is working? This is not science fiction, ASBM is the real deal but you need alot of sensing satellites and the power of AI to target it working as one system AKA Gaofen system, it incorporates not just optical sats, but sigint and radar sats. OOO, btw, aren't you the genius who thinks GPS and IMINT sats are the same. LOLOLOL

Near real time have a lot of meaning, it could be nearest to the second to the nearest to the mini-second, you are talking about a radio signal travelling thru different medium, you have atmospheric at ground level, then different precipitate near atmosphere then you have different radiation at stratosphere level that will interfere with your signal, and then it come vacuum. Just because Infrared Travel 299,000 km/s in vaccum does not mean it will do it round in a second for a round trip if your satellite is 150000 km up in the sky, it take more than that because it is going thru all the distortion and interference.

I can't tell you how fast the signal transfer rate with US satellite is, but I can say unless China really dominates us that far, you are talking about a lag time of minutes. If you are keen, you can calculate the signal bounce off from Voyager 1 and 2 and you can get a rough idea how long it takes for signal to travel in space and reach earth.

just with then LOLOLOLO and oOOOo mean shit when you know nothing of the topic at hand.

Damn it, I just defined to you what a blockade is, are you taht thick? A blockade is a blockade no matter at what age, it involves a port of entry and exit? AKA exPORT, imPORT, it fcking involves a PORT.

And you still think that applies in 1865 applies in 2025.

A naval blockade using missiles, gun boats all involves blocking the entry/exit to a PORT. DAMN IT!! CAN YOU UNDERSTAND? So it doesn't matter if it was the 1880s or 2020s, you need to deny entry/exit to a PORTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!

so you shoot your ship 500 meter away with missile?

A standard approach is 5 nautical mile that's where the entrance and exit of any port usually come to, you don't sit your ship that close to shore, again, ask the Russian how it goes with its Black Sea Fleet trying to blockade Ukrainian port.

And @Waz I had it with this guy insult.

If you can't talk normal to me without insult, then don't talk to me at all. You may want to act like an 8 years old, I don't

 

[Han Patriot]

They award diploma to people who graduate, I graduated, and as far as I know you never went to College

Hell, I don't even know if you have $50 grand for a bet last time, I show you my tax return, but you never show me yours.

Yah, you drop out from IT and they are gonna give you an IT degree? LOLOLOL. So much for saving face mate. Remember the Vinfast bet? LNG? Now a new one, GPS and IMINT sats are the same. LOLOL.

What's that have to do with anything, I am talking about Sea States



Paint wash up in a wave carry consider amount of force, and in the navy, you goes up to SS 6 or 7 frequently, I never said the paint are different, I said cargoship selfdom went off in the high sea, usually shipping rout is coastal and you don't have wave that big that crash into it often, Navy ship is another issue, it would have to be pointless to try to maintain it because the next wave could wash up in tthe next 5 second once you have done your work. That's what my cousin said before,.

This is not about NOKSOK standard, this is about it's pointless to try to maintain a ship in that sea state. And of course any people with internat can look up what is NOKSOK standard

https://www.stacoat.com/STACbase/Norsok%20M-501%20e.pdf

We (at least I am) are not talking about what a ship build to, I am talking about how they use it. Have you ever in a ship in high sea? Have you ever commanded a boat?

NORSOK is the NORTHSEA standard, aka the highest standard for ships matey. We dread it when we see the word NORSOK.

Haiih, I am done explaining to someone who is not even in the industry and doesn't know about ship mainenance and paint application. Fine believe what you want to believe, those peeling paints and corrosion in the US Navy is due to superb maintenance, while ships from my company sailing across continents have bad maintenance because they have no serious corrosion. LOLOL

I know viewfinder. Do you know how it can be used in Target Acquisition?

first, it didn't say who actually own the ship, it only say the registration port and the IMO number, it did nothing as I just show you the CentCOM tweet that My Huang PU is a Panamian Flagged Chinese ship. Or are you calling Centcom a liar?? They can and usually do flag the port of connivence instead of their origin, you do know that, right? as you claim you use it all the time. If the Houthis are using Vessel finder, they will find that MV Huang PU is a Paniman ship, not a Chinese OWNED and OPERATED ship according to Centcom.

Again, here is the tweet

View attachment 96197

Dude you know jack shit about shipping mate, please do talk more.

It was a British ship who at the time of attack was recently sold to a HK company and was flagged in Panama.

Even After Houthi Attacks, Russia-Linked Tankers Return to Red Sea | Hellenic Shipping News Worldwide

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Hamas classified it as Brtish. Their mistake? Who knows, CENTCOM or not, you can get the same shit from Vesselfinder mate.